Comments on: Winning Now, Part II http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/05/09/winning-now-part-ii/ A Lakers Blog. Thoughts, reflections, and the odd rant on the Los Angeles Lakers and the NBA (even the Clippers). Thu, 09 Feb 2012 07:41:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Anonymous http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/05/09/winning-now-part-ii/comment-page-2/#comment-100023 Anonymous Fri, 11 May 2007 13:03:37 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/05/09/winning-now-part-ii/#comment-100023 Jimmy Buss has chosen to have periodic interviews with "The Loose Cannons" on AM570--most recently yesterday. Jimmy addressed many of the issues being considered here, including the timing of trades. It was thoughtful and wide ranging. It appears to him that other teams are reluctant to talk major trades until AFTER the draft (when they know more clearly what they have), and AFTER a player recovers from surgery. He mentioned specifically that Kwame was likely to have ankle surgery soon. Craig W (48) (42) seems to have already factored this into his thinking. Have you been saying, "KWAMEE, KWAMEEE, KWAMEE," out loud to yourself every night like I suggested? Does it feel better? Jimmy Buss has chosen to have periodic interviews with “The Loose Cannons” on AM570–most recently yesterday. Jimmy addressed many of the issues being considered here, including the timing of trades. It was thoughtful and wide ranging.

It appears to him that other teams are reluctant to talk major trades until AFTER the draft (when they know more clearly what they have), and AFTER a player recovers from surgery. He mentioned specifically that Kwame was likely to have ankle surgery soon.

Craig W (48) (42) seems to have already factored this into his thinking.

Have you been saying, “KWAMEE, KWAMEEE, KWAMEE,” out loud to yourself every night like I suggested? Does it feel better?

]]> By: Lakerman http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/05/09/winning-now-part-ii/comment-page-2/#comment-99967 Lakerman Fri, 11 May 2007 10:49:05 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/05/09/winning-now-part-ii/#comment-99967 Also you guys are so funny in thinking people will just take radmanovic and cook. They freakin suck. Also the reason the Lakers are not doing good is cuz they cant draft for shit. Look at there 1st round picks for the last couple of years. 2006-Jordan Farmar-backup Pg at BEST 2005-Andrew Bynum - he is potentially good in 3 years and its not a gurantee. The lakers could have drafted someone that could have helped out right away at the 10th pick that year. 2004-Sasha Vujacic- WHAT A JOKE 2003-Brian Cook- See Sasha 2002-Chris Jeffries- Who da fuck is he As you can see they cant draft for shit how come the lakers couldnt find the Josh Howards, Leandro Barbosas, emanuel Ginobli, kyle korver, wille green? I can go on on. They need to DRAFT better Please. I cant beleive you guys are complaining that we lost in the first round. YOU guys should be marveling at how Kobe got us so far with all these rejects besides LAMAR. I mean KG missed the playoffs 3 str8 years with a better team. KOBE is crazy dude. PLaying with these rejects i cant beleive we got this far. Also you guys are so funny in thinking people will just take radmanovic and cook. They freakin suck. Also the reason the Lakers are not doing good is cuz they cant draft for shit. Look at there 1st round picks for the last couple of years.
2006-Jordan Farmar-backup Pg at BEST
2005-Andrew Bynum – he is potentially good in 3 years and its not a gurantee. The lakers could have drafted someone that could have helped out right away at the 10th pick that year.
2004-Sasha Vujacic- WHAT A JOKE
2003-Brian Cook- See Sasha
2002-Chris Jeffries- Who da fuck is he
As you can see they cant draft for shit how come the lakers couldnt find the Josh Howards, Leandro Barbosas, emanuel Ginobli, kyle korver, wille green? I can go on on. They need to DRAFT better Please.
I cant beleive you guys are complaining that we lost in the first round. YOU guys should be marveling at how Kobe got us so far with all these rejects besides LAMAR. I mean KG missed the playoffs 3 str8 years with a better team. KOBE is crazy dude. PLaying with these rejects i cant beleive we got this far.

]]> By: Lakerman http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/05/09/winning-now-part-ii/comment-page-2/#comment-99958 Lakerman Fri, 11 May 2007 10:20:33 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/05/09/winning-now-part-ii/#comment-99958 The Lakers need to keep Lamar and Kobe thats it. Theres no reason to keep Bynum he is not going to be that good. He doesnt play with passion and is very soft. The Lakers need to trade him while his stock is very high right now before he is exposed of not being that good. Also he might get injured like Shaun Livingston did. Shaun livingston was not that good and should have been traded also. We should learn from the clippers mistakes. Bynum wont get as good as you guys think he will be. ALSO get rid of FARMAR. I cant beleive someone compared him to deron williams here. WHAT A JOKE. The guy sucks. He is quite small and does not have much athleticism. His Shot sucks. THE MAIN Reason Kupchack drafted him was because he is from UCLA. He is a backup point guard at best. The Lakers need to keep Lamar and Kobe thats it. Theres no reason to keep Bynum he is not going to be that good. He doesnt play with passion and is very soft. The Lakers need to trade him while his stock is very high right now before he is exposed of not being that good. Also he might get injured like Shaun Livingston did. Shaun livingston was not that good and should have been traded also. We should learn from the clippers mistakes. Bynum wont get as good as you guys think he will be. ALSO get rid of FARMAR. I cant beleive someone compared him to deron williams here. WHAT A JOKE. The guy sucks. He is quite small and does not have much athleticism. His Shot sucks. THE MAIN Reason Kupchack drafted him was because he is from UCLA. He is a backup point guard at best.

]]> By: Goo http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/05/09/winning-now-part-ii/comment-page-2/#comment-99835 Goo Fri, 11 May 2007 05:48:07 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/05/09/winning-now-part-ii/#comment-99835 Ok Stu Jackson, David Stern, et al, I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt on Kobe's arm flailing since I believed it would cut down on other, much more egregious backhanded plays...so I am still awaiting judgment on dirty play posterboy Bruce Bowen and his latest move http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc4yz__akIU Consistency Stern..that's all I ask for Ok Stu Jackson, David Stern, et al, I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt on Kobe’s arm flailing since I believed it would cut down on other, much more egregious backhanded plays…so I am still awaiting judgment on dirty play posterboy Bruce Bowen and his latest move

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc4yz__akIU

Consistency Stern..that’s all I ask for

]]> By: Muddywood http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/05/09/winning-now-part-ii/comment-page-2/#comment-99827 Muddywood Fri, 11 May 2007 05:44:13 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/05/09/winning-now-part-ii/#comment-99827 I have a hunch that Larry Bird won't make a deal with the Lakers unless HIS team gets SIGNIFICANTLY upgraded in doing so. Same with Kevin McHale. So the Laker brain trust had better get their thinking caps on and figure something else out(Pau Gasol) They had better make Kobe feel like his team is getting the talent to compete for a championship. They have 2 summers to do this or Kobe will walk....and I wouldn't blame him one bit. I have a hunch that Larry Bird won’t make a deal with the Lakers unless HIS team gets SIGNIFICANTLY upgraded in doing so. Same with Kevin McHale.

So the Laker brain trust had better get their thinking caps on and figure something else out(Pau Gasol)
They had better make Kobe feel like his team is getting the talent to compete for a championship. They have 2 summers to do this or Kobe will walk….and I wouldn’t blame him one bit.

]]> By: Goo http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/05/09/winning-now-part-ii/comment-page-2/#comment-99742 Goo Fri, 11 May 2007 03:39:21 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/05/09/winning-now-part-ii/#comment-99742 I agree Kurt...when i look at other blogs posting deals I just laugh because there's no chance they'd be considered yet we seem to be following the same path...an expiring contract by itself doesn't mean anything and any starting point for Jermaine O'Neal (most likely trade target I think) is going to be something like Odom, Bynum, and Farmar and I just don't see anything working out with Indiana or elsewhere... I agree Kurt…when i look at other blogs posting deals I just laugh because there’s no chance they’d be considered yet we seem to be following the same path…an expiring contract by itself doesn’t mean anything and any starting point for Jermaine O’Neal (most likely trade target I think) is going to be something like Odom, Bynum, and Farmar and I just don’t see anything working out with Indiana or elsewhere…

]]> By: warren http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/05/09/winning-now-part-ii/comment-page-2/#comment-99737 warren Fri, 11 May 2007 03:32:19 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/05/09/winning-now-part-ii/#comment-99737 Residing in the Philippines makes you understand the dirty nature of politics. There is no honor involved in that system. Its each to his own. Whoever wins (won by cheating) while whoever lost (was cheated). It sucks but that's reality. I really think there is politicking in the NBA corporate world. Fans just don't see it that much. Underground deals are made every other day but only the Joe Smith deal was caught. Residing in the Philippines makes you understand the dirty nature of politics. There is no honor involved in that system. Its each to his own. Whoever wins (won by cheating) while whoever lost (was cheated). It sucks but that’s reality. I really think there is politicking in the NBA corporate world. Fans just don’t see it that much. Underground deals are made every other day but only the Joe Smith deal was caught.

]]> By: Kurt http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/05/09/winning-now-part-ii/comment-page-2/#comment-99727 Kurt Fri, 11 May 2007 03:07:06 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/05/09/winning-now-part-ii/#comment-99727 <em>I am quite convinced that the easier path to do is to trade Bynum and Kwame. Together they are an irresistible commodity.</em> Seriously? A 19 year old whose coach questioned a work ethic and a chronic underachiever who is having ankle surgery are irresistible? People, the demand for the Laker players around the league is not near has high as you all seem to think it is. There is some interest in Bynum, but Kwame and irresistible should not be in the same sentence. Well, except that last one. I am quite convinced that the easier path to do is to trade Bynum and Kwame. Together they are an irresistible commodity.

Seriously? A 19 year old whose coach questioned a work ethic and a chronic underachiever who is having ankle surgery are irresistible? People, the demand for the Laker players around the league is not near has high as you all seem to think it is. There is some interest in Bynum, but Kwame and irresistible should not be in the same sentence. Well, except that last one.

]]> By: warren http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/05/09/winning-now-part-ii/comment-page-2/#comment-99709 warren Fri, 11 May 2007 02:38:39 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/05/09/winning-now-part-ii/#comment-99709 I am quite convinced that the easier path to do is to trade Bynum and Kwame. Together they are an irresistible commodity. Other teams might want Bynum alone but for sure we will not like what is offered without a bigger name coming into the picture. Will Memphis take it? Maybe. But the prospect of Oden coming in negates the need for Bynum. Pau can play the PF very well. Together with Oden, it is a very young twin tower concept with loads of potential. If the draft does not land them Oden, assuming its Durant, they might be keen on the Bynum idea. Assuming this trade goes through, Cook and Warrick are added to match. Memphis will now sport a Durant-Bynum-Gay combo who has an average age of 20 yrs old. Kwame playing at 4 and all they need is a PG who can run the show. The Lakers on the meantime will have Farmar-Kobe-Odom-Gasol-Mihm. We can then make a run at Mike James to help the PG spot as Farmar improves. I am quite convinced that the easier path to do is to trade Bynum and Kwame. Together they are an irresistible commodity. Other teams might want Bynum alone but for sure we will not like what is offered without a bigger name coming into the picture. Will Memphis take it? Maybe. But the prospect of Oden coming in negates the need for Bynum. Pau can play the PF very well. Together with Oden, it is a very young twin tower concept with loads of potential. If the draft does not land them Oden, assuming its Durant, they might be keen on the Bynum idea.

Assuming this trade goes through, Cook and Warrick are added to match. Memphis will now sport a Durant-Bynum-Gay combo who has an average age of 20 yrs old. Kwame playing at 4 and all they need is a PG who can run the show.

The Lakers on the meantime will have Farmar-Kobe-Odom-Gasol-Mihm. We can then make a run at Mike James to help the PG spot as Farmar improves.

]]> By: warren http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/05/09/winning-now-part-ii/comment-page-2/#comment-99703 warren Fri, 11 May 2007 02:22:24 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/05/09/winning-now-part-ii/#comment-99703 Getting healthier is a sure way to improve. However, aside from the part where this is business and pleasure, there is also politics involved. Politics stat when people start demanding something - like Kobe and Phil. Then what happens is management starts to do something to "accommodate" their requests although they may not necessarily be what's best. So, expect something to happen this summer. Remember that Kobe and Phil are the two superstars of this team. Lamar is a far cry 3rd. He is still on star mode and yet to achieve to the elite status. What looks to me is, if Kobe somehow pushes for the JO trade, it could happen. Even at the expense of both Bynum and Odom. Even though this move is not necessarily an upgrade to our current roster provided we are healthy. What I am looking forward to is Mihm's health. That will be a very big factor on what they actually do. I'm rooting for the guy. He will be as good as a backup center as can be when healthy. I still think Kwame is a PF by nature forced to play center by circumstance. So is Lamar, who is quite effective playing the 3. If that can be arranged, they will improve immediately. Getting healthier is a sure way to improve. However, aside from the part where this is business and pleasure, there is also politics involved. Politics stat when people start demanding something – like Kobe and Phil. Then what happens is management starts to do something to “accommodate” their requests although they may not necessarily be what’s best. So, expect something to happen this summer.

Remember that Kobe and Phil are the two superstars of this team. Lamar is a far cry 3rd. He is still on star mode and yet to achieve to the elite status. What looks to me is, if Kobe somehow pushes for the JO trade, it could happen. Even at the expense of both Bynum and Odom. Even though this move is not necessarily an upgrade to our current roster provided we are healthy.

What I am looking forward to is Mihm’s health. That will be a very big factor on what they actually do. I’m rooting for the guy. He will be as good as a backup center as can be when healthy. I still think Kwame is a PF by nature forced to play center by circumstance. So is Lamar, who is quite effective playing the 3. If that can be arranged, they will improve immediately.

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