Comments on: Sam Bowie and the 1984 draft: A Cautionary Tale http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/27/sam-bowie-and-the-1984-draft-a-cautionary-tale/ A Lakers Blog. Thoughts, reflections, and the odd rant on the Los Angeles Lakers and the NBA (even the Clippers). Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:24:35 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: JPS http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/27/sam-bowie-and-the-1984-draft-a-cautionary-tale/comment-page-1/#comment-144733 JPS Tue, 03 Jul 2007 19:36:57 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/27/sam-bowie-and-the-1984-draft-a-cautionary-tale/#comment-144733 The comment about Bowie only averaging 10 points per game as a senior is a bit misleading. Bowie was still coming back from his leg injury (where he had been out of action for 2 years) when he returned to the court in 1983-84. He played for a Kentucky team that already had an established inside scorer in Melvin Turpin along with a future All-American forward in Kenny Walker. Bowie was not asked to score very much for that team. His main role was to play the high post where he fed other players (either Turpin or Walker inside or set up outside shooters), defend, rebound etc. Those who question Bowie's abilities are IMO those who never really saw him play pre-injury. When he was a freshman and sophomore, he was one of the most versatile and athletically gifted big man ever. As a freshman he was named to the ill-fated US Olympic basketball team and was the top player and scorer in exhibtions against NBA players. As a sophomore he was named to numerous All-American teams. Of course the big question was not Bowie's abilities, as much as whether he would bounce back well enough from injury to return to his previous playing self. He was well on his way before he got injured yet again as a pro. Jon PS, for more info on this, feel free to check out the linked webpage. The comment about Bowie only averaging 10 points per game as a senior is a bit misleading. Bowie was still coming back from his leg injury (where he had been out of action for 2 years) when he returned to the court in 1983-84. He played for a Kentucky team that already had an established inside scorer in Melvin Turpin along with a future All-American forward in Kenny Walker. Bowie was not asked to score very much for that team. His main role was to play the high post where he fed other players (either Turpin or Walker inside or set up outside shooters), defend, rebound etc.

Those who question Bowie’s abilities are IMO those who never really saw him play pre-injury. When he was a freshman and sophomore, he was one of the most versatile and athletically gifted big man ever. As a freshman he was named to the ill-fated US Olympic basketball team and was the top player and scorer in exhibtions against NBA players. As a sophomore he was named to numerous All-American teams.

Of course the big question was not Bowie’s abilities, as much as whether he would bounce back well enough from injury to return to his previous playing self. He was well on his way before he got injured yet again as a pro.

Jon

PS, for more info on this, feel free to check out the linked webpage.

]]> By: lakersfan81 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/27/sam-bowie-and-the-1984-draft-a-cautionary-tale/comment-page-1/#comment-141270 lakersfan81 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 02:58:39 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/27/sam-bowie-and-the-1984-draft-a-cautionary-tale/#comment-141270 Maybe someone can clarify this for me. Can GS use the trade exception they got for the richardson trade in a deal to get Garnett? Also can Wright be traded again since they just traded for him? He probably can since the season has not started but I am not 100% what the rules are. Maybe someone can clarify this for me. Can GS use the trade exception they got for the richardson trade in a deal to get Garnett? Also can Wright be traded again since they just traded for him? He probably can since the season has not started but I am not 100% what the rules are.

]]> By: kwame a. http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/27/sam-bowie-and-the-1984-draft-a-cautionary-tale/comment-page-1/#comment-139857 kwame a. Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:10:53 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/27/sam-bowie-and-the-1984-draft-a-cautionary-tale/#comment-139857 Gatinho- '96 draft will have a couple hall of famers, it may give '84 a run. Kobe, Iverson, Nash. 3 Hall of famers (it hurts so much to advocate Nash as a HOF'er). Plus Ray Allen, Stephon Marbury, Marcus Camby, Jermaine O'neal, Ilgauskus, Peja, Atoine Walker and Shareef Abdur-Rahim. Gatinho- ‘96 draft will have a couple hall of famers, it may give ‘84 a run. Kobe, Iverson, Nash. 3 Hall of famers (it hurts so much to advocate Nash as a HOF’er). Plus Ray Allen, Stephon Marbury, Marcus Camby, Jermaine O’neal, Ilgauskus, Peja, Atoine Walker and Shareef Abdur-Rahim.

]]> By: skigi http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/27/sam-bowie-and-the-1984-draft-a-cautionary-tale/comment-page-1/#comment-139854 skigi Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:58:38 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/27/sam-bowie-and-the-1984-draft-a-cautionary-tale/#comment-139854 http://youtube.com/watch?v=Plrxg2AvXvs Here's a youtube video of Papaloukas http://youtube.com/watch?v=Plrxg2AvXvs
Here’s a youtube video of Papaloukas

]]> By: skigi http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/27/sam-bowie-and-the-1984-draft-a-cautionary-tale/comment-page-1/#comment-139841 skigi Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:27:40 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/27/sam-bowie-and-the-1984-draft-a-cautionary-tale/#comment-139841 I like the offer to Papaloukas... If we are going to look for a PG with the MLE, I'm not too fond of our options in the NBA. Steve Blake, Jason Hart, Earl Boykins? All those guys are backups and the starters that are out there, Mo Williams and Chauncey are too expensive for us. I watched Papaloukas destroy the US team with a steady stream of pick and rolls last year that gave the US team nightmares. Also, he is a Euroleague MVP and has been on big stages before. Thats what we need here in "Hollywood"... a PG thats not going to wilt under the pressure (Smush) I like the offer to Papaloukas… If we are going to look for a PG with the MLE, I’m not too fond of our options in the NBA. Steve Blake, Jason Hart, Earl Boykins? All those guys are backups and the starters that are out there, Mo Williams and Chauncey are too expensive for us. I watched Papaloukas destroy the US team with a steady stream of pick and rolls last year that gave the US team nightmares. Also, he is a Euroleague MVP and has been on big stages before. Thats what we need here in “Hollywood”… a PG thats not going to wilt under the pressure (Smush)

]]> By: Gatinho http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/27/sam-bowie-and-the-1984-draft-a-cautionary-tale/comment-page-1/#comment-139826 Gatinho Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:50:20 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/27/sam-bowie-and-the-1984-draft-a-cautionary-tale/#comment-139826 Thanks St625. The window is closing on '96. it still could be one for the ages, but 2003 could have a book written about it as well. Thanks St625.

The window is closing on ‘96. it still could be one for the ages, but 2003 could have a book written about it as well.

]]> By: Craig W. http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/27/sam-bowie-and-the-1984-draft-a-cautionary-tale/comment-page-1/#comment-139788 Craig W. Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:09:42 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/27/sam-bowie-and-the-1984-draft-a-cautionary-tale/#comment-139788 It is not only the KG poison pill. Read the stories about Kerr bankrupting the Lakers and all the other 'garbage' out there. The fans and the analysts are ratcheting up the pressure on the Laker front office to do something - something big! Here's hoping the experienced among the front office - read Jerry Buss and Mitch - are able to shed all this pressure like water on a duck's back. What we need is thoughtful and forward steps to making the team better next year. Junking everything in the past to get a different future is not normally very productive. it is instructive to reread drrayeye's comments: 'If Garnett opts out, the T’Wolves get the cap room automatically. They can use that cap space to sign whatever free agents they want, not just what is offered in a trade.' What he says is equally true of Kobe in two years. Let's move forward with a reasonably short-term plan and recognize that Kobe's view may very well be different when we get two years down the road. If it is not, then we wil be well under the salary cap and have far more options than we do today. It is not only the KG poison pill. Read the stories about Kerr bankrupting the Lakers and all the other ‘garbage’ out there. The fans and the analysts are ratcheting up the pressure on the Laker front office to do something – something big!

Here’s hoping the experienced among the front office – read Jerry Buss and Mitch – are able to shed all this pressure like water on a duck’s back. What we need is thoughtful and forward steps to making the team better next year. Junking everything in the past to get a different future is not normally very productive.

it is instructive to reread drrayeye’s comments: ‘If Garnett opts out, the T’Wolves get the cap room automatically. They can use that cap space to sign whatever free agents they want, not just what is offered in a trade.’

What he says is equally true of Kobe in two years. Let’s move forward with a reasonably short-term plan and recognize that Kobe’s view may very well be different when we get two years down the road. If it is not, then we wil be well under the salary cap and have far more options than we do today.

]]> By: L G http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/27/sam-bowie-and-the-1984-draft-a-cautionary-tale/comment-page-1/#comment-139779 L G Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:50:05 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/27/sam-bowie-and-the-1984-draft-a-cautionary-tale/#comment-139779 Breaking News ... The Lakers have offered a multi-year contract to 30-year-old guard Theodoros Papaloukas, according to Eleftheros Tipos, a newspaper in Greece. The report said Papaloukas had confirmed the offer and was pondering it among a handful from NBA teams. Lakers officials declined to comment. Papaloukas, a Greek native who is listed at 6 feet 7, was the Euroleague player of the year last season with CSKA Moscow, and is widely thought to be the best point guard in Europe." Breaking News …
The Lakers have offered a multi-year contract to 30-year-old guard Theodoros Papaloukas, according to Eleftheros Tipos, a newspaper in Greece. The report said Papaloukas had confirmed the offer and was pondering it among a handful from NBA teams. Lakers officials declined to comment. Papaloukas, a Greek native who is listed at 6 feet 7, was the Euroleague player of the year last season with CSKA Moscow, and is widely thought to be the best point guard in Europe.”

]]> By: drrayeye http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/27/sam-bowie-and-the-1984-draft-a-cautionary-tale/comment-page-1/#comment-139774 drrayeye Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:38:33 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/27/sam-bowie-and-the-1984-draft-a-cautionary-tale/#comment-139774 Even though it has been mandated--and rumors abound--I'd be amazed if Kevin Garnett went anywhere before the draft. The light went on when I realized that these three way deals were coming from McHale, not Kerr. For Phoenix, it's Marion + whatever for KG; for the Lakers, it's Odom + Bynum. For the T'Wolves, it seems to be young players and/or draft picks. No deal. So the T'Wolves look for third and fourth teams to give them their mix. Even farther from a deal. If Garnett opts out, the T'Wolves get the cap room automatically. They can use that cap space to sign whatever free agents they want, not just what is offered in a trade. When one adds in Garnett's poison pill contract, why would one try to satisfy Garnett AND McHale this year when anyone can negotiate with Garnett alone next year? Even though it has been mandated–and rumors abound–I’d be amazed if Kevin Garnett went anywhere before the draft. The light went on when I realized that these three way deals were coming from McHale, not Kerr.

For Phoenix, it’s Marion + whatever for KG; for the Lakers, it’s Odom + Bynum. For the T’Wolves, it seems to be young players and/or draft picks.

No deal.

So the T’Wolves look for third and fourth teams to give them their mix.

Even farther from a deal.

If Garnett opts out, the T’Wolves get the cap room automatically. They can use that cap space to sign whatever free agents they want, not just what is offered in a trade.

When one adds in Garnett’s poison pill contract, why would one try to satisfy Garnett AND McHale this year when anyone can negotiate with Garnett alone next year?

]]> By: chopperdave http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/27/sam-bowie-and-the-1984-draft-a-cautionary-tale/comment-page-1/#comment-139625 chopperdave Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:02:50 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/27/sam-bowie-and-the-1984-draft-a-cautionary-tale/#comment-139625 Even though it's in the Lakers; best interest, I really do feel for Atlanta. As much as we piss and moan about Lakers' ownership, the sort of middling mediocrity of ourfront office can't hold a candle to the incompetece they're suffering through. Belkin's veto of the Amare trade (even though I maintain the Suns were never actually considering giving him up) has to be one of the most frustrating things any front office has ever done for a fanbase. Atlanta was CLEARLY coming out on top of that proposed trade. When the lottery gave them two top-11 picks, I thought to myself, "No way they botch that in this draft." Now, I'd be shocked if they don't completely screw themselves over. Yi might have potential on some teams, but I feel extremley confident he'd be a bust on that team. And the 11th pick for Ridnour? Are you kidding me. What a terrible mess. Even though it’s in the Lakers; best interest, I really do feel for Atlanta. As much as we piss and moan about Lakers’ ownership, the sort of middling mediocrity of ourfront office can’t hold a candle to the incompetece they’re suffering through. Belkin’s veto of the Amare trade (even though I maintain the Suns were never actually considering giving him up) has to be one of the most frustrating things any front office has ever done for a fanbase. Atlanta was CLEARLY coming out on top of that proposed trade.

When the lottery gave them two top-11 picks, I thought to myself, “No way they botch that in this draft.” Now, I’d be shocked if they don’t completely screw themselves over. Yi might have potential on some teams, but I feel extremley confident he’d be a bust on that team. And the 11th pick for Ridnour? Are you kidding me.

What a terrible mess.

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