Comments on: Let Us Shed A Tear Together http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/30/let-us-shed-a-tear-together/ A Lakers Blog. Thoughts, reflections, and the odd rant on the Los Angeles Lakers and the NBA (even the Clippers). Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:18:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: ilovela http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/30/let-us-shed-a-tear-together/comment-page-1/#comment-146982 ilovela Fri, 06 Jul 2007 06:54:57 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/30/let-us-shed-a-tear-together/#comment-146982 Haha. First of all, I never said anybody hates Odom. I said that I love him, and would rather have him than KG or O'Neal. An unpopular opinion, I know. The lineup was an ideal Kobe-must-go situation, but I realize its impossible for many reasons. There's actually nothing I'd rather see than Kobe staying with a lineup of: Pau, Lamar, Luke, Kobe, Mo Williams. In my opinion, this would be both competitive AND beautiful to watch. I don't want the Lakers to trade guys I like to become the Yankees of basketball - and I was wondering who else feels that way. Haha. First of all, I never said anybody hates Odom. I said that I love him, and would rather have him than KG or O’Neal. An unpopular opinion, I know. The lineup was an ideal Kobe-must-go situation, but I realize its impossible for many reasons.

There’s actually nothing I’d rather see than Kobe staying with a lineup of:
Pau,
Lamar,
Luke,
Kobe,
Mo Williams.

In my opinion, this would be both competitive AND beautiful to watch. I don’t want the Lakers to trade guys I like to become the Yankees of basketball – and I was wondering who else feels that way.

]]> By: Kurt http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/30/let-us-shed-a-tear-together/comment-page-1/#comment-145015 Kurt Tue, 03 Jul 2007 23:56:56 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/30/let-us-shed-a-tear-together/#comment-145015 42. Possibly the lamest comment in the history of this site. First, nobody here hate's Odom but he has limitations. And there is no way to compile the lineup you suggest. And, oh, it's not worth it. 42. Possibly the lamest comment in the history of this site. First, nobody here hate’s Odom but he has limitations. And there is no way to compile the lineup you suggest. And, oh, it’s not worth it.

]]> By: ilovela http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/30/let-us-shed-a-tear-together/comment-page-1/#comment-144981 ilovela Tue, 03 Jul 2007 23:23:56 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/30/let-us-shed-a-tear-together/#comment-144981 i dont like kevin garnett, i hate j. oneal, and shawn marion just stinks. am i the only one here who loves lamar odom's game and doesnt want to trade him for anyone? id rather keep lamar and get another star than keep kobe, if it comes to that. there it is, boom. my lineup (if kobe must go, along with another move or two): Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, Luke Walton, Ben Gordon, Kirk Hinrich + a defensive stopper/rebounder ...class guys. i dont like kevin garnett, i hate j. oneal, and shawn marion just stinks.
am i the only one here who loves lamar odom’s game and doesnt want to trade him for anyone? id rather keep lamar and get another star than keep kobe, if it comes to that. there it is, boom. my lineup (if kobe must go, along with another move or two):
Pau Gasol,
Lamar Odom,
Luke Walton,
Ben Gordon,
Kirk Hinrich
+ a defensive stopper/rebounder
…class guys.

]]> By: lakersfan81 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/30/let-us-shed-a-tear-together/comment-page-1/#comment-143202 lakersfan81 Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:50:52 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/30/let-us-shed-a-tear-together/#comment-143202 I agree with you drrayeye (38). I was trying to come up with a trade scenario that would outmatch a trade from Chicago. I think Chicago offering Deng/Gordon and Nocioni (sign and trade) + Noah/Thomas (though I assume they would rather trade Noah) would out bid the lakers. If Memphis is looking to rebuild then taking their two biggest contracts might make a deal that sounds better for them.I was trading either Crittenton or Farmar. Miami was interested in Crittenton and might want him. Which wouldn't be too bad becuase Farmar is more ready than Crittenton at this point. I would still start Walton in my scenario and have Miller come off the bench at Guard/Forward. I also agree that Brown's trade value is not too high. I think it will go up towards the trading deadline. But if Memphis does trade Gasol. They may want to hold onto Miller for scoring purposes for another year. Your trade works but I still think Chicago could outbid the lakers. But they may be going after Garnett and if they can get PJ Brown to agree to a sign and trade then I think they have a good shot at getting him. I would do your trade over the JO trade at the same price though. O'neal is talented player but a higher price and says he is going to opt out after next year no matter what. Also Gasol is more of a post threat than O'neal and requires a double team more often. Also my trade scenario makes for a good offensive team but is still lacking defense in the front court. I agree with you drrayeye (38). I was trying to come up with a trade scenario that would outmatch a trade from Chicago. I think Chicago offering Deng/Gordon and Nocioni (sign and trade) + Noah/Thomas (though I assume they would rather trade Noah) would out bid the lakers. If Memphis is looking to rebuild then taking their two biggest contracts might make a deal that sounds better for them.I was trading either Crittenton or Farmar. Miami was interested in Crittenton and might want him. Which wouldn’t be too bad becuase Farmar is more ready than Crittenton at this point. I would still start Walton in my scenario and have Miller come off the bench at Guard/Forward. I also agree that Brown’s trade value is not too high. I think it will go up towards the trading deadline. But if Memphis does trade Gasol. They may want to hold onto Miller for scoring purposes for another year. Your trade works but I still think Chicago could outbid the lakers. But they may be going after Garnett and if they can get PJ Brown to agree to a sign and trade then I think they have a good shot at getting him. I would do your trade over the JO trade at the same price though. O’neal is talented player but a higher price and says he is going to opt out after next year no matter what. Also Gasol is more of a post threat than O’neal and requires a double team more often. Also my trade scenario makes for a good offensive team but is still lacking defense in the front court.

]]> By: Xavier http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/30/let-us-shed-a-tear-together/comment-page-1/#comment-143131 Xavier Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:33:13 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/30/let-us-shed-a-tear-together/#comment-143131 38. "Maybe 3 years from now we’ll start one Gasol as a center and the other as a power forward!? " and by this time Spain, not just me, would be Purple and Gold!!!! I'd like to trade for Gasol and I think the trade should be mainly for Bynum and fillers aka Brown + 2008 1st round pick I wouldn't give up much more for him, maybe Vujacic who's FA next year and can play the SG, so if it doesn't work for memphis he's gone next year Gasol would play the C, he's got a nice pass for a big and can shoot the ball, if Odom starts again agressive getting to the hole that would be a nice 1-2 punch in the inside. then add Kobe and ghhh I like it 38. “Maybe 3 years from now we’ll start one Gasol as a center and the other as a power forward!? ”

and by this time Spain, not just me, would be Purple and Gold!!!!

I’d like to trade for Gasol and I think the trade should be mainly for Bynum and fillers aka Brown + 2008 1st round pick

I wouldn’t give up much more for him, maybe Vujacic who’s FA next year and can play the SG, so if it doesn’t work for memphis he’s gone next year

Gasol would play the C, he’s got a nice pass for a big and can shoot the ball, if Odom starts again agressive getting to the hole that would be a nice 1-2 punch in the inside. then add Kobe and ghhh I like it

]]> By: drrayeye http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/30/let-us-shed-a-tear-together/comment-page-1/#comment-142950 drrayeye Mon, 02 Jul 2007 06:38:11 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/30/let-us-shed-a-tear-together/#comment-142950 Warren has put considerable effort into describing the Grizzlies situation. Xavier has helped us further appreciate Pau Gasol--and the topic has exploded. There have been several suggested blogger trades that seemed somewhat fanciful. Kwame is a money feature, but the timing of a trade involving Kwame is very bad. I'm not sure that GMs will take Kwame in trade at a fair value until they learn about his health after surgery. Lakerfan81 would have us trade away both of our centers and all of our point guards for a starting 5 that would now feature two shooting guards, two power forwards, and a small forward. Warren would also start two shooting guards and two power forwards, but his fifth "starter" is likely to be a rookie point guard that will spend most of the season in the development league. Fantasy only goes so far in the real world. The main reason I proposed Gasol/Swift for Odom/Bynum is to see if I could find a deal that might happen. I think I did. Gasol could start as a power forward for Odom's minutes, and Swift could be a backup center for Bynum's 10+ minutes per game. And vice versa. Both teams could win. I now believe that Memphis could be persuaded to trade Gasol. It's hard for me to imagine a practical Memphis/Laker deal that doesn't involve Lamar. If Memphis does, I'd think about it. Maybe 3 years from now we'll start one Gasol as a center and the other as a power forward!? Warren has put considerable effort into describing the Grizzlies situation. Xavier has helped us further appreciate Pau Gasol–and the topic has exploded.

There have been several suggested blogger trades that seemed somewhat fanciful. Kwame is a money feature, but the timing of a trade involving Kwame is very bad. I’m not sure that GMs will take Kwame in trade at a fair value until they learn about his health after surgery.

Lakerfan81 would have us trade away both of our centers and all of our point guards for a starting 5 that would now feature two shooting guards, two power forwards, and a small forward.

Warren would also start two shooting guards and two power forwards, but his fifth “starter” is likely to be a rookie point guard that will spend most of the season in the development league.

Fantasy only goes so far in the real world.

The main reason I proposed Gasol/Swift for Odom/Bynum is to see if I could find a deal that might happen. I think I did. Gasol could start as a power forward for Odom’s minutes, and Swift could be a backup center for Bynum’s 10+ minutes per game. And vice versa. Both teams could win.

I now believe that Memphis could be persuaded to trade Gasol. It’s hard for me to imagine a practical Memphis/Laker deal that doesn’t involve Lamar. If Memphis does, I’d think about it.

Maybe 3 years from now we’ll start one Gasol as a center and the other as a power forward!?

]]> By: Dan http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/30/let-us-shed-a-tear-together/comment-page-1/#comment-142916 Dan Mon, 02 Jul 2007 05:43:43 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/30/let-us-shed-a-tear-together/#comment-142916 I agree with the whole "don't trade Odom for Gasol" idea. In fact, I'd only really include Odom in a trade for Garnett. For anybody else, we need to keep Odom to still be a good team. I agree with the whole “don’t trade Odom for Gasol” idea. In fact, I’d only really include Odom in a trade for Garnett. For anybody else, we need to keep Odom to still be a good team.

]]> By: reed http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/30/let-us-shed-a-tear-together/comment-page-1/#comment-142900 reed Mon, 02 Jul 2007 05:19:06 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/30/let-us-shed-a-tear-together/#comment-142900 From the LA Times: "The Lakers have also reached out to free-agent guard Steve Blake, who was with Denver last season and could turn out to be the efficient veteran ballhandling guard they're seeking. "They're really interested," a league source said. Blake, 27, was traded early last season from Milwaukee to Denver and averaged 6.4 points and five assists in the Nuggets' high-scoring offense. Steady but not flashy, he is a pass-first player who can hit open shots. At 6 feet 3, he also has decent height. There's a good chance he won't re-sign with Denver, and the Lakers are desperate for a ballhandling guard." ------------------------- The Walton signing was critical -- not because he is remarkable, but because the Lakers are likely to sacrifice serious depth to bring in a "star" of some shade. We only have one midelvel and signing Walton didn't affect our using it, so he was our one chance to add/keep a quality player for free. If we had lost him, it would have been much harder to move Odom/Bynum/Kwame in various deals and still have decent pieces to build with. From the LA Times:

“The Lakers have also reached out to free-agent guard Steve Blake, who was with Denver last season and could turn out to be the efficient veteran ballhandling guard they’re seeking.

“They’re really interested,” a league source said.

Blake, 27, was traded early last season from Milwaukee to Denver and averaged 6.4 points and five assists in the Nuggets’ high-scoring offense. Steady but not flashy, he is a pass-first player who can hit open shots. At 6 feet 3, he also has decent height.

There’s a good chance he won’t re-sign with Denver, and the Lakers are desperate for a ballhandling guard.”

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The Walton signing was critical — not because he is remarkable, but because the Lakers are likely to sacrifice serious depth to bring in a “star” of some shade. We only have one midelvel and signing Walton didn’t affect our using it, so he was our one chance to add/keep a quality player for free. If we had lost him, it would have been much harder to move Odom/Bynum/Kwame in various deals and still have decent pieces to build with.

]]> By: warren (philippines) http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/30/let-us-shed-a-tear-together/comment-page-1/#comment-142823 warren (philippines) Mon, 02 Jul 2007 03:53:30 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/30/let-us-shed-a-tear-together/#comment-142823 I don't like the Odom-Gasol trade. Theres no point in getting Gasol if Odom is not around anymore... Much like the scenario for JO. In all the sense, I'd much rather have JO if it meant trading Bynum and Odom altogether. The idea is to upgrade from Kwame, Bynum to Pau Gasol. In return, we take in Mike Miller too (who can actually help us as well as a very good 3 ptr). We can then have Luke Walton come off the bench for us - the more appropriate role for him at this point. The attack will be Javaris, Kobe, Miller, Odom, Gasol. And I like what lakersfan81 suggested. It actually works for all 3 teams. Again, it would make all the sense for Memphis to get Bynum at this point. I don’t like the Odom-Gasol trade. Theres no point in getting Gasol if Odom is not around anymore… Much like the scenario for JO. In all the sense, I’d much rather have JO if it meant trading Bynum and Odom altogether.

The idea is to upgrade from Kwame, Bynum to Pau Gasol. In return, we take in Mike Miller too (who can actually help us as well as a very good 3 ptr). We can then have Luke Walton come off the bench for us – the more appropriate role for him at this point.

The attack will be Javaris, Kobe, Miller, Odom, Gasol. And I like what lakersfan81 suggested. It actually works for all 3 teams.

Again, it would make all the sense for Memphis to get Bynum at this point.

]]> By: Muffin-Man http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/30/let-us-shed-a-tear-together/comment-page-1/#comment-142806 Muffin-Man Mon, 02 Jul 2007 03:28:50 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/06/30/let-us-shed-a-tear-together/#comment-142806 drrayeye, The Rockets signed Swift as a free agent a couple years ago because they thought he'd be the perfect complement to Yao. Instead he was a flop, and they were happy to be rid of him one year later. For his career he averages about 1 assist per 3 turnovers. Not a guy with a high basketball iQ. Pass. I like Gasol a lot, but only if he can be obtained without giving up Odom. drrayeye,

The Rockets signed Swift as a free agent a couple years ago because they thought he’d be the perfect complement to Yao. Instead he was a flop, and they were happy to be rid of him one year later. For his career he averages about 1 assist per 3 turnovers. Not a guy with a high basketball iQ. Pass. I like Gasol a lot, but only if he can be obtained without giving up Odom.

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