Comments on: Fast Break Thoughts http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/08/01/fast-break-thoughts-19/ A Lakers Blog. Thoughts, reflections, and the odd rant on the Los Angeles Lakers and the NBA (even the Clippers). Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:18:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: John (Vancouver) http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/08/01/fast-break-thoughts-19/comment-page-1/#comment-177102 John (Vancouver) Fri, 03 Aug 2007 10:43:15 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/08/01/fast-break-thoughts-19/#comment-177102 10milliondollarzen > Jermaine O'Neal. Unless he's signed an extension I haven't heard about. G > Yes, the Lakers need to make a move so they can contend while Kobe is still here. Here is the problem you, and so many others like you, fail to understand. With this current free-agent class (2007), the current payroll structure, and the current team, the only way we could get an impact player is by giving up huge amounts of our own assets. Unless someone is really high on Bynum (they aren't) AND really needs people who can do nothing but shoot the ball from the 1/2, 4 (Sasha, Cook - and they aren't really) then we aren't getting anything in a trade. What would you have done this off-season? Who would you have traded or tried to sign? Not saying Mitch did a bang up job at all, by the way, just pointing this out. There's really nothing that could be done, other than giving the Fisher money to someone else who won't really be a super contributor - far, far from an impact player. The only way we improve is by fleecing someone in a trade, and frankly, that isn't going to happen with the current office. 10milliondollarzen > Jermaine O’Neal. Unless he’s signed an extension I haven’t heard about.

G > Yes, the Lakers need to make a move so they can contend while Kobe is still here.

Here is the problem you, and so many others like you, fail to understand.

With this current free-agent class (2007), the current payroll structure, and the current team, the only way we could get an impact player is by giving up huge amounts of our own assets. Unless someone is really high on Bynum (they aren’t) AND really needs people who can do nothing but shoot the ball from the 1/2, 4 (Sasha, Cook – and they aren’t really) then we aren’t getting anything in a trade. What would you have done this off-season? Who would you have traded or tried to sign?

Not saying Mitch did a bang up job at all, by the way, just pointing this out. There’s really nothing that could be done, other than giving the Fisher money to someone else who won’t really be a super contributor – far, far from an impact player.

The only way we improve is by fleecing someone in a trade, and frankly, that isn’t going to happen with the current office.

]]> By: Drew Boy http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/08/01/fast-break-thoughts-19/comment-page-1/#comment-176276 Drew Boy Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:31:39 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/08/01/fast-break-thoughts-19/#comment-176276 G, I agree, this roster isn't that much better, if better at all. Problem is, most any trade at this point would be virtually lateral. The only thing that could shake this up dramatically is either multiple trades (i.e. trade LO/Bynum for JO then Kwame's expiring, Farmar/Critt, draft picks for Artest-esque type player) or moving Kobe and building with a different plan. If neither happen, look for 45-ish wins, a 6-8 seed, and a first round exit....Again. G,

I agree, this roster isn’t that much better, if better at all. Problem is, most any trade at this point would be virtually lateral. The only thing that could shake this up dramatically is either multiple trades (i.e. trade LO/Bynum for JO then Kwame’s expiring, Farmar/Critt, draft picks for Artest-esque type player) or moving Kobe and building with a different plan.

If neither happen, look for 45-ish wins, a 6-8 seed, and a first round exit….Again.

]]> By: A-Hole Carolla http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/08/01/fast-break-thoughts-19/comment-page-1/#comment-176231 A-Hole Carolla Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:05:24 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/08/01/fast-break-thoughts-19/#comment-176231 I'd almost feel safe betting my life that an ego clash in Boston is highly unlikely. All three players have been getting their asses kicked for years. They're too old for that kind of nonsense. Plus their skill sets complement each other very well. I’d almost feel safe betting my life that an ego clash in Boston is highly unlikely. All three players have been getting their asses kicked for years. They’re too old for that kind of nonsense.

Plus their skill sets complement each other very well.

]]> By: G http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/08/01/fast-break-thoughts-19/comment-page-1/#comment-176208 G Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:50:12 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/08/01/fast-break-thoughts-19/#comment-176208 All I am saying is the Lakers need to do something to make them selves have a legit opportunity to contend. Basically all they did was replace Smush with Derek fisher and draft JC. Those moves do not make you contenders. I do not know why you guys are so satisfied with this roster. You guys are throwing out all this scenarios were we will be good based on our early heavy home schedule last season. You guys blame the injuries for our decline, but as many of you said we were a 4th or 5th seed AT BEST without the injuries. After a year were a lot of west teams have gotten better namely Houston. I do not see us at a 4th or 5th seed. This can only happen if everything goes right. Do we really want to depend on everything going right just to be a 4th or 5th seed? I sure do not. I also cannot understand why you guys are so content with this idea. Can someone please explain this to me? All I am saying is the Lakers need to do something to make them selves have a legit opportunity to contend. Basically all they did was replace Smush with Derek fisher and draft JC. Those moves do not make you contenders. I do not know why you guys are so satisfied with this roster. You guys are throwing out all this scenarios were we will be good based on our early heavy home schedule last season. You guys blame the injuries for our decline, but as many of you said we were a 4th or 5th seed AT BEST without the injuries. After a year were a lot of west teams have gotten better namely Houston. I do not see us at a 4th or 5th seed. This can only happen if everything goes right. Do we really want to depend on everything going right just to be a 4th or 5th seed? I sure do not. I also cannot understand why you guys are so content with this idea. Can someone please explain this to me?

]]> By: Drew Boy http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/08/01/fast-break-thoughts-19/comment-page-1/#comment-176164 Drew Boy Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:19:39 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/08/01/fast-break-thoughts-19/#comment-176164 Why have I not seen a Kobe to the Clippers trade scenario? Kobe and Vlad to the Clippers for Elton Brand, Corey Maggette, Quinton Ross, Shaun Livingston, and a No.1 pick (remove Livingston and Vlad if you have to, I just want to bail on his contract). Both teams prosper from this deal, and we have many more tradeable assets moving forward. It wouldn't make us a contender in one move, but nothing at this point will. The drop off at the SG position isn't as big as it could be and is more than offset by the upgrade at PF. Ross is a great wing defender and getting rid of Vlad's contract is big for us. Livingston might never play again. It would suck to have Kobe down the hall and give the Clippers that kind of credibility, but I feel we'd be a better "team" than we've been the last three years. Why have I not seen a Kobe to the Clippers trade scenario?

Kobe and Vlad to the Clippers for Elton Brand, Corey Maggette, Quinton Ross, Shaun Livingston, and a No.1 pick (remove Livingston and Vlad if you have to, I just want to bail on his contract).

Both teams prosper from this deal, and we have many more tradeable assets moving forward. It wouldn’t make us a contender in one move, but nothing at this point will. The drop off at the SG position isn’t as big as it could be and is more than offset by the upgrade at PF. Ross is a great wing defender and getting rid of Vlad’s contract is big for us. Livingston might never play again.

It would suck to have Kobe down the hall and give the Clippers that kind of credibility, but I feel we’d be a better “team” than we’ve been the last three years.

]]> By: kas http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/08/01/fast-break-thoughts-19/comment-page-1/#comment-175924 kas Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:57:57 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/08/01/fast-break-thoughts-19/#comment-175924 schedules are out. its gonna be a tough start. ahah i have faith. opening night away at rockets xmas day away at suns http://www.nba.com/schedules/index.html?team=lakers schedules are out. its gonna be a tough start. ahah i have faith.

opening night away at rockets

xmas day away at suns

http://www.nba.com/schedules/index.html?team=lakers

]]> By: skigi http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/08/01/fast-break-thoughts-19/comment-page-1/#comment-175889 skigi Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:27:45 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/08/01/fast-break-thoughts-19/#comment-175889 The NBA schedule came out today. The NBA.com version is backwards from the Lakers.com version. We either have a 9-game homestand early february or a 9-game road trip. Lets cross our fingers and hope that its a homestand! Here's the links. Does anyone know whats really going on? http://www.nba.com/lakers/schedule/results_2007.html http://www.nba.com/schedules/?team=lakers The NBA schedule came out today.

The NBA.com version is backwards from the Lakers.com version.

We either have a 9-game homestand early february or a 9-game road trip. Lets cross our fingers and hope that its a homestand!

Here’s the links. Does anyone know whats really going on?
http://www.nba.com/lakers/schedule/results_2007.html
http://www.nba.com/schedules/?team=lakers

]]> By: ryan http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/08/01/fast-break-thoughts-19/comment-page-1/#comment-175824 ryan Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:15:59 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/08/01/fast-break-thoughts-19/#comment-175824 Brand can opt out next year and the Clippers are notoriously cheap and they might want to drastically cut salary if they are bad this year, which may be the case because they do not have a PG. I don't know who the Lakers could use as in a sign and trade or at the trade deadline to possibly pick him up. I would also seriously doubt that the clippers would trade with the Lakers no matter who we offered. As far as C or at least someone that can play C (Brand is already short for a PF and can not play C) I am not sure if there is anyone available (Duncan will sign an extension). Brand can opt out next year and the Clippers are notoriously cheap and they might want to drastically cut salary if they are bad this year, which may be the case because they do not have a PG. I don’t know who the Lakers could use as in a sign and trade or at the trade deadline to possibly pick him up. I would also seriously doubt that the clippers would trade with the Lakers no matter who we offered.

As far as C or at least someone that can play C (Brand is already short for a PF and can not play C) I am not sure if there is anyone available (Duncan will sign an extension).

]]> By: 10milliondollarzen http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/08/01/fast-break-thoughts-19/comment-page-1/#comment-175805 10milliondollarzen Thu, 02 Aug 2007 15:55:58 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/08/01/fast-break-thoughts-19/#comment-175805 Yeah, who is a free agent next year? Do you mean Kevin Garnett? 'Cause that's not the case as he signed a big extention.. Yeah, who is a free agent next year? Do you mean Kevin Garnett? ‘Cause that’s not the case as he signed a big extention..

]]> By: Craig W http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/08/01/fast-break-thoughts-19/comment-page-1/#comment-175754 Craig W Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:41:50 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/08/01/fast-break-thoughts-19/#comment-175754 G , As noted above, change for change's sake is a bad thing. If you want a modern model for change it would have to be the Spurs. They added draft picks and allowed them to mature somewhat before deciding that they could trade their talent evaluations in for more expensive, more experienced help. They paid their dues - the Lakers have not yet paid their dues (apologies to Laker fanatics) - and should see how the apparently promising las two drafts turns out. This year is a tipping point and next year should finally tell the tale. I am not saying we should make no moves, but we need to keep our goal in mind. Our bet leverage wil come at this year's trading deadline. If we make a move, I suspect that will be the time. G ,
As noted above, change for change’s sake is a bad thing.

If you want a modern model for change it would have to be the Spurs. They added draft picks and allowed them to mature somewhat before deciding that they could trade their talent evaluations in for more expensive, more experienced help. They paid their dues – the Lakers have not yet paid their dues (apologies to Laker fanatics) – and should see how the apparently promising las two drafts turns out. This year is a tipping point and next year should finally tell the tale.

I am not saying we should make no moves, but we need to keep our goal in mind. Our bet leverage wil come at this year’s trading deadline. If we make a move, I suspect that will be the time.

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