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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/08/15/its-the-defense-stupid-2/comment-page-1/#comment-200417</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The box scores are up.

Against Greece, Bosh was only on the court for 5 minutes where he scored 3 points and blocked a shot.  Not really much to go on, and the loss could hardly be put on him.

Wade played 25 minutes and scored 19pts with 64ts%, which is really good.

Against Argentina, Bosh played 14 minutes and didn&#039;t produce much.  1 Assist, 1 block, 1 steal, 1 rebound, 1 point, 0 turnovers.  He didn&#039;t really hurt the team as much as he was mostly a non-factor statistically in this game.

Wade played brilliantly, scoring 32pts with 85ts%.  Those numbers don&#039;t exactly scream &quot;terrible&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The box scores are up.</p>
<p>Against Greece, Bosh was only on the court for 5 minutes where he scored 3 points and blocked a shot.  Not really much to go on, and the loss could hardly be put on him.</p>
<p>Wade played 25 minutes and scored 19pts with 64ts%, which is really good.</p>
<p>Against Argentina, Bosh played 14 minutes and didn&#8217;t produce much.  1 Assist, 1 block, 1 steal, 1 rebound, 1 point, 0 turnovers.  He didn&#8217;t really hurt the team as much as he was mostly a non-factor statistically in this game.</p>
<p>Wade played brilliantly, scoring 32pts with 85ts%.  Those numbers don&#8217;t exactly scream &#8220;terrible&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s certainly a lot that doesn&#039;t show up in stats.  My point was simply that these players accomplished so much with the things that DID show up in stats, that you have a big case to make to prove that despite these gigantic accomplishments that these players were actually &quot;bad&quot; or &quot;terrible&quot;.

I can&#039;t calculate their PERs against the better opponents.  It would be interesting to take a look at the box scores from those last few games though, but www.usabasketball.com is down at the moment.

&quot;Andrew, I get your point, but Iâ€™d rather watch the games and analyze a player myself than look at a stat sheet (old or new) and try to find out whoâ€™s the best player on a given team.&quot;

I&#039;d rather do both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s certainly a lot that doesn&#8217;t show up in stats.  My point was simply that these players accomplished so much with the things that DID show up in stats, that you have a big case to make to prove that despite these gigantic accomplishments that these players were actually &#8220;bad&#8221; or &#8220;terrible&#8221;.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t calculate their PERs against the better opponents.  It would be interesting to take a look at the box scores from those last few games though, but <a href="http://www.usabasketball.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.usabasketball.com</a> is down at the moment.</p>
<p>&#8220;Andrew, I get your point, but Iâ€™d rather watch the games and analyze a player myself than look at a stat sheet (old or new) and try to find out whoâ€™s the best player on a given team.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather do both.</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;shooting off the dribble is not the best option anywhere&quot; .... unless you are Micheal Jordan. He made a living going around screens, creating a tiny bit of space, elevating, hanging in the air then knocking down the 15-17 footer at a absurdly high percentage for a jump shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;shooting off the dribble is not the best option anywhere&#8221; &#8230;. unless you are Micheal Jordan. He made a living going around screens, creating a tiny bit of space, elevating, hanging in the air then knocking down the 15-17 footer at a absurdly high percentage for a jump shot.</p>
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		<title>By: Renato Afonso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renato Afonso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A stat is just a stat. How many plays were botched because of them?  How many times didn&#039;t Bosh give help from the weak side? How many times he positioned himself wrong in the offense? How many times he didn&#039;t cut as he was supposed to?


You can&#039;t measure these things... These stats are better then the old ones, sure, but you can&#039;t base everything around them nor ignore older stats.

For instance, how many REALLY weak teams did the US play against? If they only played 8 or 9 games the whole tournament, you can use 3 or 4 games from group stage to increase your overall stats. More... they got the bronze medal, so the team wasn&#039;t that bad... And teams that win show better stats...

Anyway, can you please tell me their PER against the toughest opponents? Those are the games that matter....

Andrew, I get your point, but I&#039;d rather watch the games and analyze a player myself than look at a stat sheet (old or new) and try to find out who&#039;s the best player on a given team.

For example, LeBron has an ok FG%. However, if he shoots off the dribble or after a cut and he&#039;s still in motion, he normally throws a brick. That shot, because of his arm strenght, usually goes into the opposing side of the rim, helping Varejao or Gooden to get an offensive board. However, if he&#039;s well positioned and not moving, his shot is more smooth and the FG% increases.
The good thing? He has a good shooting touch when standing... The bad? He prefers to shoot off the dribble...
No stat will show this, and shooting off the dribble is not the best option anywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A stat is just a stat. How many plays were botched because of them?  How many times didn&#8217;t Bosh give help from the weak side? How many times he positioned himself wrong in the offense? How many times he didn&#8217;t cut as he was supposed to?</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t measure these things&#8230; These stats are better then the old ones, sure, but you can&#8217;t base everything around them nor ignore older stats.</p>
<p>For instance, how many REALLY weak teams did the US play against? If they only played 8 or 9 games the whole tournament, you can use 3 or 4 games from group stage to increase your overall stats. More&#8230; they got the bronze medal, so the team wasn&#8217;t that bad&#8230; And teams that win show better stats&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway, can you please tell me their PER against the toughest opponents? Those are the games that matter&#8230;.</p>
<p>Andrew, I get your point, but I&#8217;d rather watch the games and analyze a player myself than look at a stat sheet (old or new) and try to find out who&#8217;s the best player on a given team.</p>
<p>For example, LeBron has an ok FG%. However, if he shoots off the dribble or after a cut and he&#8217;s still in motion, he normally throws a brick. That shot, because of his arm strenght, usually goes into the opposing side of the rim, helping Varejao or Gooden to get an offensive board. However, if he&#8217;s well positioned and not moving, his shot is more smooth and the FG% increases.<br />
The good thing? He has a good shooting touch when standing&#8230; The bad? He prefers to shoot off the dribble&#8230;<br />
No stat will show this, and shooting off the dribble is not the best option anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To give that some more context, Wade was 3rd in the entire tournament with 36.25, and Bosh was 15th in the entire tournament with 26.41.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To give that some more context, Wade was 3rd in the entire tournament with 36.25, and Bosh was 15th in the entire tournament with 26.41.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;[Lebron] works terribly in the international game. Same for D-Wade.&quot; -- Renato Afonso

&quot;Chris Bosh did so bad in last yearâ€™s tournament I donâ€™t even know where to beginâ€¦&quot; -- Renato Afonso

Interesting statements.  Wade finished with the highest PER on the team and Bosh came in 5th, behind Anthony, Howard, and James.

PERs not everything, but still.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;[Lebron] works terribly in the international game. Same for D-Wade.&#8221; &#8212; Renato Afonso</p>
<p>&#8220;Chris Bosh did so bad in last yearâ€™s tournament I donâ€™t even know where to beginâ€¦&#8221; &#8212; Renato Afonso</p>
<p>Interesting statements.  Wade finished with the highest PER on the team and Bosh came in 5th, behind Anthony, Howard, and James.</p>
<p>PERs not everything, but still.</p>
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		<title>By: Renato Afonso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renato Afonso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Instead of Howard? Hmm don&#039;t think it would be that much of an advantage but... no harm there.

David Lee is about perfect for FIBA&#039;s game and happily take a backseat as role player (which he already is)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of Howard? Hmm don&#8217;t think it would be that much of an advantage but&#8230; no harm there.</p>
<p>David Lee is about perfect for FIBA&#8217;s game and happily take a backseat as role player (which he already is)</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about Marcus Camby as a Center. I&#039;m not sure where he is from though. But he has a good mid range jumper, he&#039;s a good rebounder and a great shot blocker. I think his game would fit nicely in the FIBA rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about Marcus Camby as a Center. I&#8217;m not sure where he is from though. But he has a good mid range jumper, he&#8217;s a good rebounder and a great shot blocker. I think his game would fit nicely in the FIBA rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Renato Afonso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renato Afonso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about a 12-man roster with...

PG: Kidd, Chris Paul
SG: Kobe, Redd, Iverson
SF: Melo, Battier, Bowen
PF: KG, David Lee
C: Duncan, Howard

See, with the exception of Kobe; Iverson and Howard they all have good fundamentals and easily share the ball. Everyone can shoot the ball good enough to keep the defense in the right place.

Kobe gives the US good shooting and ability to create his own shot. 

Iverson kills himself on the floor and draws a huge amount of fouls. I actually think he was the key to winning last year&#039;s tournament, but hey... he was benched at key times. He shouldn&#039;t be the PG, but a SG guarding the opposing PG. He can get to the line easily and noone in the world can guard him off the dribble.

Howard is not a good shooter but he&#039;s a freak. Use him against the best opposing C at times, and he will be very effective...

Plus, just use the available players wisely!!! Why the heavy and deep rotations? If Kobe only plays 5 mins, so be it... Forget egos and Nike sponsorship and build a team with players who are used to play FOR the team (Kobe would be the exception).


I still don&#039;t understand why they call Amare and Bosh... Amare lives off the Suns system and Nash, with no ability to create his own shot and terrible defense. And everyone talking about Bosh&#039;s injury and how he should play and even start... Please go see the videos from last year... Please...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about a 12-man roster with&#8230;</p>
<p>PG: Kidd, Chris Paul<br />
SG: Kobe, Redd, Iverson<br />
SF: Melo, Battier, Bowen<br />
PF: KG, David Lee<br />
C: Duncan, Howard</p>
<p>See, with the exception of Kobe; Iverson and Howard they all have good fundamentals and easily share the ball. Everyone can shoot the ball good enough to keep the defense in the right place.</p>
<p>Kobe gives the US good shooting and ability to create his own shot. </p>
<p>Iverson kills himself on the floor and draws a huge amount of fouls. I actually think he was the key to winning last year&#8217;s tournament, but hey&#8230; he was benched at key times. He shouldn&#8217;t be the PG, but a SG guarding the opposing PG. He can get to the line easily and noone in the world can guard him off the dribble.</p>
<p>Howard is not a good shooter but he&#8217;s a freak. Use him against the best opposing C at times, and he will be very effective&#8230;</p>
<p>Plus, just use the available players wisely!!! Why the heavy and deep rotations? If Kobe only plays 5 mins, so be it&#8230; Forget egos and Nike sponsorship and build a team with players who are used to play FOR the team (Kobe would be the exception).</p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t understand why they call Amare and Bosh&#8230; Amare lives off the Suns system and Nash, with no ability to create his own shot and terrible defense. And everyone talking about Bosh&#8217;s injury and how he should play and even start&#8230; Please go see the videos from last year&#8230; Please&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Carter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love how major sports web sites keep coming out with articles on Kobe with all this speculative ad lib crap to generate the public&#039;s interest.  He hasn&#039;t said anything, yet they turn it into an article in the national media.  

There are far too many sports media outlets and journalists out there with nothing to do but write about garbage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how major sports web sites keep coming out with articles on Kobe with all this speculative ad lib crap to generate the public&#8217;s interest.  He hasn&#8217;t said anything, yet they turn it into an article in the national media.  </p>
<p>There are far too many sports media outlets and journalists out there with nothing to do but write about garbage.</p>
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