Comments on: Bynum’s Turn? http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/15/bynum%e2%80%99s-turn/ A Lakers Blog. Thoughts, reflections, and the odd rant on the Los Angeles Lakers and the NBA (even the Clippers). Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:18:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: MS http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/15/bynum%e2%80%99s-turn/comment-page-2/#comment-277484 MS Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:49:37 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/15/bynum%e2%80%99s-turn/#comment-277484 79 - Really? Mad? Assuming there is something to be mad about, assuming that Kobe really was taken aback, assuming this is not just media sensationalism, assuming that Kobe's decision really was affected by Buss' comments, how can you be mad? Anyone who read the transcript can tell you that the Dr.s comments were pretty benign. If the relationship was so tenuous between the Lakers and Kobe that THAT is all it took to piss Kobe off, wasn’t it bound to happen eventually? That talk wasn’t going away. Think what you may about the coming season but it’s going to be hard. There will be abysmal failures amongst the successes. You don’t think after the first embarrassing loss to the 76ers there would be a slew of talk about whether this is exactly the thing that makes 24 want to leave? I don’t think we need to be mad at anyone. 79 – Really? Mad? Assuming there is something to be mad about, assuming that Kobe really was taken aback, assuming this is not just media sensationalism, assuming that Kobe’s decision really was affected by Buss’ comments, how can you be mad? Anyone who read the transcript can tell you that the Dr.s comments were pretty benign. If the relationship was so tenuous between the Lakers and Kobe that THAT is all it took to piss Kobe off, wasn’t it bound to happen eventually? That talk wasn’t going away. Think what you may about the coming season but it’s going to be hard. There will be abysmal failures amongst the successes. You don’t think after the first embarrassing loss to the 76ers there would be a slew of talk about whether this is exactly the thing that makes 24 want to leave? I don’t think we need to be mad at anyone.

]]> By: gdchild http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/15/bynum%e2%80%99s-turn/comment-page-2/#comment-275676 gdchild Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:41:09 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/15/bynum%e2%80%99s-turn/#comment-275676 Buss rekindled the fire after Kobe reported to the camp and recommitted himself to playing for the team. The anger should be at the Busses for opening his big fat mouth now. The antics keep on b/o Buss' stupidity/hurt big ego . Buss rekindled the fire after Kobe reported to the camp and recommitted himself to playing for the team. The anger should be at the Busses for opening his big fat mouth now. The antics keep on b/o Buss’ stupidity/hurt big ego .

]]> By: Craig W. http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/15/bynum%e2%80%99s-turn/comment-page-2/#comment-275674 Craig W. Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:39:51 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/15/bynum%e2%80%99s-turn/#comment-275674 Travis Y. That Melrose Place comment was great. That is EXACTLY what sports is for many of us. A) Things are probably not at bad as reported right now. B) The Lakers will not destruct if Kobe leaves. We have good players; we just don't have experienced, known, highly paid good players. This is a fan problem, not necessarily an organizational problem. PS. I want to quiet down and really hope Kobe will stay with the Lakers for the remainder of his career. Travis Y.
That Melrose Place comment was great. That is EXACTLY what sports is for many of us.

A) Things are probably not at bad as reported right now.
B) The Lakers will not destruct if Kobe leaves.

We have good players; we just don’t have experienced, known, highly paid good players. This is a fan problem, not necessarily an organizational problem.

PS. I want to quiet down and really hope Kobe will stay with the Lakers for the remainder of his career.

]]> By: Daniel http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/15/bynum%e2%80%99s-turn/comment-page-2/#comment-275223 Daniel Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:47:34 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/15/bynum%e2%80%99s-turn/#comment-275223 One quick important point: Lamar has been quoted saying that he plans on playing out the remainder of his contract, only in Los Angeles, and will probably retire at the end of his current deal. This obviously makes trading him a bit difficult, but wouldn't it be worth pulling the trigger on including him with Bynum to Indiana; or maybe even Odom, Kwame, Evans for Jermaine?? a solid forward to replace Jermaine... a great shooting guard, and 9 million worth of expiring contract... Larry Bird has gotta be smart enough to realize his franchise is truly not going anywhere the way it's built right now. One quick important point: Lamar has been quoted saying that he plans on playing out the remainder of his contract, only in Los Angeles, and will probably retire at the end of his current deal. This obviously makes trading him a bit difficult, but wouldn’t it be worth pulling the trigger on including him with Bynum to Indiana; or maybe even Odom, Kwame, Evans for Jermaine?? a solid forward to replace Jermaine… a great shooting guard, and 9 million worth of expiring contract… Larry Bird has gotta be smart enough to realize his franchise is truly not going anywhere the way it’s built right now.

]]> By: Travis Y. http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/15/bynum%e2%80%99s-turn/comment-page-2/#comment-275142 Travis Y. Wed, 17 Oct 2007 07:46:28 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/15/bynum%e2%80%99s-turn/#comment-275142 I stay away from the computer for 24 hours and in between we are almost blown away and sent into full fledged rebuilding mode. I hate sensational writing, people are just dying for juicy news it's like the male version of Melrose Place and the Young and the Restless. It's no wonder star players are now hesitant to come to LA (KG). So much drama and the season hasn't even started. Who wants to go to a workplace where the whole environment is hooked up with explosives just waiting to be set off. I just wonder what it'll take for the Lakers to be relevant again. Say Kobe leaves and takes all the stars and money with him is it only then that the FO realizes that they screwed up? Is it really that hard to make this relationship work? I can't believe the Laker personalities have gone down this road AGAIN!!! Can't believe they didn't learn after Shaq was traded. The chances are getting slimmer that this whole thing will blow over with each day... why did it have to come to this? I stay away from the computer for 24 hours and in between we are almost blown away and sent into full fledged rebuilding mode. I hate sensational writing, people are just dying for juicy news it’s like the male version of Melrose Place and the Young and the Restless.

It’s no wonder star players are now hesitant to come to LA (KG). So much drama and the season hasn’t even started. Who wants to go to a workplace where the whole environment is hooked up with explosives just waiting to be set off.

I just wonder what it’ll take for the Lakers to be relevant again. Say Kobe leaves and takes all the stars and money with him is it only then that the FO realizes that they screwed up?

Is it really that hard to make this relationship work? I can’t believe the Laker personalities have gone down this road AGAIN!!! Can’t believe they didn’t learn after Shaq was traded. The chances are getting slimmer that this whole thing will blow over with each day… why did it have to come to this?

]]> By: jeremy http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/15/bynum%e2%80%99s-turn/comment-page-2/#comment-274938 jeremy Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:29:42 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/15/bynum%e2%80%99s-turn/#comment-274938 If the lakers do trade Kobe it will be one of the darkest days in the history of the Franchise since chick passed... Why? He is not only the greatest force in the game today but arguably the best of all-time. There is no Trade.. short of gutting a contender for the title that would make this ever, ever, ever make sense to me. Why is it as die-hard Laker fans that we always just sit so passively by as the slowly denudung mind of Jerry Buss and the ineffectual Mitch K. drive our beloved purple & gold into the ground? We dumped the greatest force in the game for spare parts. Traded away another all-star (Caron Butler) for a BUST. Refused numerous trade ovations (Baron Davis, Jason Kidd). And these guys (The FO) didn't think that Kobe would cry foul? He's been so, so wronged... It's almost like I'm starting to feel that Dr. Buss deserves this treatment... You know, it wasn't that long ago that LA was THE place to be. Everybody wanted to be a Laker... Then Shaq and Dr. Buss feud... then Shaq exposes the, "inner workings" of the FO... and some folks, mostly players start to believe it... pretty soon it takes a life of it's own and Whammo! Here we are today, right smack dab in the middle of anither sequence of assinine events triggered by Dr. Buss and his need for Revenge. Can't he see he's driving every great player away from us like the plague? He and Mitch are like a WWF tag-team of idiocy that beats this organization into the ground. What the heck happened to this organization? This is just so sad to experience... for all of us who stuck through the thick and thin of the Ceballos years, and Asst. Coach Del Harris and the Nick Van Exel attitude problems and the Eddie Jones for Glen Rice swap and the Rambis as Coach... To finally realize all that potential wtith Phil and to have it crash again... 3 Years. It's Been 3 Seasons since we started "rebuilding"... essentially the only significant thing we didi to ensure a post season life is.. bring back Phil and lock up Kobe long term... and both of those where accomplished over two years ago. It sucks because we all know the magic of the "golden armor"... we all know that any squad that puts on those colors and gets coached by one of the All-Time Greats always has a chance...no matter how slim. And...I guess we still have a chance w/o Kobe... but the sad thing is... w/o Kobe Phiil won't be far behind and then we get Rambis again!! I just pray iI'm wrong and everything is just hunky-dory... I still love you Lakers... If the lakers do trade Kobe it will be one of the darkest days in the history of the Franchise since chick passed…

Why? He is not only the greatest force in the game today but arguably the best of all-time. There is no Trade.. short of gutting a contender for the title that would make this ever, ever, ever make sense to me.

Why is it as die-hard Laker fans that we always just sit so passively by as the slowly denudung mind of Jerry Buss and the ineffectual Mitch K. drive our beloved purple & gold into the ground?

We dumped the greatest force in the game for spare parts. Traded away another all-star (Caron Butler) for a BUST. Refused numerous trade ovations (Baron Davis, Jason Kidd). And these guys (The FO) didn’t think that Kobe would cry foul? He’s been so, so wronged… It’s almost like I’m starting to feel that Dr. Buss deserves this treatment…

You know, it wasn’t that long ago that LA was THE place to be. Everybody wanted to be a Laker… Then Shaq and Dr. Buss feud… then Shaq exposes the, “inner workings” of the FO… and some folks, mostly players start to believe it… pretty soon it takes a life of it’s own and Whammo! Here we are today, right smack dab in the middle of anither sequence of assinine events triggered by Dr. Buss and his need for Revenge. Can’t he see he’s driving every great player away from us like the plague? He and Mitch are like a WWF tag-team of idiocy that beats this organization into the ground.

What the heck happened to this organization? This is just so sad to experience… for all of us who stuck through the thick and thin of the Ceballos years, and Asst. Coach Del Harris and the Nick Van Exel attitude problems and the Eddie Jones for Glen Rice swap and the Rambis as Coach… To finally realize all that potential wtith Phil and to have it crash again…

3 Years. It’s Been 3 Seasons since we started “rebuilding”… essentially the only significant thing we didi to ensure a post season life is.. bring back Phil and lock up Kobe long term… and both of those where accomplished over two years ago.

It sucks because we all know the magic of the “golden armor”… we all know that any squad that puts on those colors and gets coached by one of the All-Time Greats always has a chance…no matter how slim.

And…I guess we still have a chance w/o Kobe… but the sad thing is… w/o Kobe Phiil won’t be far behind and then we get Rambis again!!

I just pray iI’m wrong and everything is just hunky-dory… I still love you Lakers…

]]> By: Warren Wee Lim http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/15/bynum%e2%80%99s-turn/comment-page-2/#comment-274919 Warren Wee Lim Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:18:35 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/15/bynum%e2%80%99s-turn/#comment-274919 Craig, quick qestion: Do you think Kobe will be traded? Its purely speculative but I think the best time to do so is at the end of this season - after the lottery is set and just before the draft. Philadelphia could use Ty Thom in exchange for their 08 1st, Phoenix could use Joakim Noah in exchange for their Atlanta pick. If indeed the Lakers pull the trigger, a 3rd and 4th team has to be involved. I cannot imagine myself rooting for a Ben Gordon-led Laker team... though it can be argued that Lamar Odom becomes the true leader here. Craig, quick qestion: Do you think Kobe will be traded?

Its purely speculative but I think the best time to do so is at the end of this season – after the lottery is set and just before the draft. Philadelphia could use Ty Thom in exchange for their 08 1st, Phoenix could use Joakim Noah in exchange for their Atlanta pick. If indeed the Lakers pull the trigger, a 3rd and 4th team has to be involved. I cannot imagine myself rooting for a Ben Gordon-led Laker team… though it can be argued that Lamar Odom becomes the true leader here.

]]> By: Craig http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/15/bynum%e2%80%99s-turn/comment-page-2/#comment-274873 Craig Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:39:40 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/15/bynum%e2%80%99s-turn/#comment-274873 We are all trying to find someone to blame. Rarely is it only one person who is to blame for any situation - for example: Jerry West was frustrated with Jerry Buss about money, then Phil Jackson stepped in and usurped some of his power. He left the Lakers and now many people say he was the glue holding Kobe and Shaq together, while Phil let them fight. There was blame in at least 3 places in that instance and I probably don't know the half of what went on. This has roots in Kobe and both Buss's. However, it ends it is unlikely to be pretty. However, I don't feel the team will be 'down the toilet' if Kobe stays. Once between the lines and with Phil Jackson, I suspect Kobe is going to be his usual self. The problem will be getting to the games. Meanwhile, I can really do nothing except wait and listen - ouch! Did I say that? We are all trying to find someone to blame. Rarely is it only one person who is to blame for any situation – for example:

Jerry West was frustrated with Jerry Buss about money, then Phil Jackson stepped in and usurped some of his power. He left the Lakers and now many people say he was the glue holding Kobe and Shaq together, while Phil let them fight. There was blame in at least 3 places in that instance and I probably don’t know the half of what went on.

This has roots in Kobe and both Buss’s. However, it ends it is unlikely to be pretty. However, I don’t feel the team will be ‘down the toilet’ if Kobe stays. Once between the lines and with Phil Jackson, I suspect Kobe is going to be his usual self. The problem will be getting to the games.

Meanwhile, I can really do nothing except wait and listen – ouch! Did I say that?

]]> By: chris henderson http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/15/bynum%e2%80%99s-turn/comment-page-2/#comment-274819 chris henderson Wed, 17 Oct 2007 03:52:00 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/15/bynum%e2%80%99s-turn/#comment-274819 I agree with Jim, and I'm trying not to buy into all this media created, buss-fed hysteria...but it does look like kobe is sitting, while the lakers management shops around for the best offers. feels to me like we very well could see a major shake up before the season starts. if so, then it's looking like dr buss is one who holds a grudge, and I guess that's his right, but sometimes it could cost him dearly, first shaq (after his "pay me!" at a training camp) now kobe after his (..."he's an idoit" comment). and, even if no trade happens, the vibe is certainly there for a very weird season... too bad, bad for everyone, the team, the fans, the organization, coaches, just everyone. not sure who's to blame in the end, certainly fed by enough elements, first kobe, then the media, those AM radio guys have got to go...(but they have an audience, so they are just filling a need) then buss, and the media again. I agree with Jim, and I’m trying not to buy into all this media created, buss-fed hysteria…but it does look like kobe is sitting, while the lakers management shops around for the best offers. feels to me like we very well could see a major shake up before the season starts.
if so, then it’s looking like dr buss is one who holds a grudge, and I guess that’s his right, but sometimes it could cost him dearly, first shaq (after his “pay me!” at a training camp) now kobe after his (…”he’s an idoit” comment). and, even if no trade happens, the vibe is certainly there for a very weird season… too bad, bad for everyone, the team, the fans, the organization, coaches, just everyone.
not sure who’s to blame in the end, certainly fed by enough elements, first kobe, then the media, those AM radio guys have got to go…(but they have an audience, so they are just filling a need) then buss, and the media again.

]]> By: Warren Wee Lim http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/15/bynum%e2%80%99s-turn/comment-page-2/#comment-274813 Warren Wee Lim Wed, 17 Oct 2007 03:45:54 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/15/bynum%e2%80%99s-turn/#comment-274813 While it may be interpreted as Buss "simply being honest" statements, isn't it more of a retaliation move that while Kobe says everything is A-ok, Buss says No! I'm trading You, I'm waiting for the right offer... Either way, its a distraction. I wouldn't be surprised if this season became the most controversial season in NBA History - the League's best big man traded (KG), and the leagues best player traded (Kobe). Its such a cliche to say "I will be a Laker fan 1st and Kobe fan 2nd", a lot of kids grew up loving the Lakers coz of Kobe too. Half of my Laker-fan life I was a Magic-Kareem-Worthy fan and I marvel at the thought of West, Chamberlain, Mikan and Baylor. Yet, half of my fan-life is owed to Kobe and Shaq - up til now. Now the Lakers WILL TRADE Kobe for the right price... LA better makes good on this one and not take that Gordon, Nocioni, Thomas offer from the Bulls, or else, my reverence for the franchise is wasted. I still respect what they have done in the past, but its no excuse to WASTE the future on some above-average scrubs. While it may be interpreted as Buss “simply being honest” statements, isn’t it more of a retaliation move that while Kobe says everything is A-ok, Buss says No! I’m trading You, I’m waiting for the right offer…

Either way, its a distraction. I wouldn’t be surprised if this season became the most controversial season in NBA History – the League’s best big man traded (KG), and the leagues best player traded (Kobe).

Its such a cliche to say “I will be a Laker fan 1st and Kobe fan 2nd”, a lot of kids grew up loving the Lakers coz of Kobe too. Half of my Laker-fan life I was a Magic-Kareem-Worthy fan and I marvel at the thought of West, Chamberlain, Mikan and Baylor. Yet, half of my fan-life is owed to Kobe and Shaq – up til now.

Now the Lakers WILL TRADE Kobe for the right price… LA better makes good on this one and not take that Gordon, Nocioni, Thomas offer from the Bulls, or else, my reverence for the franchise is wasted. I still respect what they have done in the past, but its no excuse to WASTE the future on some above-average scrubs.

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