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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/26/nba-preseason-lakers-vs-kings/comment-page-2/#comment-292844</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 21:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JONES, I agree with you on patience. Which is why I think making a small move like Kwame for anybody reasonably decent, that might get us out of the first round, might be enough to let Kobe see that things are moving in the right direction, and embrace some of the young guys. That being said, if the young guys wait till Kobe is no longer in his prime to pan out, the Lakers are in for a long drought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JONES, I agree with you on patience. Which is why I think making a small move like Kwame for anybody reasonably decent, that might get us out of the first round, might be enough to let Kobe see that things are moving in the right direction, and embrace some of the young guys. That being said, if the young guys wait till Kobe is no longer in his prime to pan out, the Lakers are in for a long drought.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 21:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JONESONTHENBA nailed it for me. I have loved Kobe as a player since his rookie year, but he seems to have always been incapable of viewing the big picture. Patience ought to be instilled to see how our young players, especially Bynum develop. Perhaps they become legit producers, or legit trade bait for another solid pro, that could result in a circumstance where we don&#039;t have to lose too many pieces to gain one.

Usually, when personal issues get in the way of business, it is never good, and it seems the rift between Kobe and the FO is personal, and obstructing the ability to take care of business on the basketball court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JONESONTHENBA nailed it for me. I have loved Kobe as a player since his rookie year, but he seems to have always been incapable of viewing the big picture. Patience ought to be instilled to see how our young players, especially Bynum develop. Perhaps they become legit producers, or legit trade bait for another solid pro, that could result in a circumstance where we don&#8217;t have to lose too many pieces to gain one.</p>
<p>Usually, when personal issues get in the way of business, it is never good, and it seems the rift between Kobe and the FO is personal, and obstructing the ability to take care of business on the basketball court.</p>
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		<title>By: JONESONTHENBA</title>
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		<dc:creator>JONESONTHENBA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And forgot to mention Al Jefferson as another guy that took three seasons to develop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And forgot to mention Al Jefferson as another guy that took three seasons to develop.</p>
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		<title>By: JONESONTHENBA</title>
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		<dc:creator>JONESONTHENBA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For my Karl point, I meant to say he needs to play next to guys that draw double teams and will leave him open on the outside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For my Karl point, I meant to say he needs to play next to guys that draw double teams and will leave him open on the outside.</p>
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		<title>By: JONESONTHENBA</title>
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		<dc:creator>JONESONTHENBA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karl will stay in the league for years as a spot three point shooter. Steve Kerr did it. He just has to play next to guys that if he wants to stay in the league. He has other skills, and can possibly develop them to an NBA level with his hard work. But the safe bet is for him to pull a Dell Curry/Steve Kerr type deal and work a long career out of that.

Kwame&#039;s main problem is that he doesn&#039;t care. As Phil says, Kwame is more about getting laughs from his teammates than actually working on his game in practice. He has all of the natural talent, but is just LAZY and lacking focus.  Yeah he has small hands, but Elden Campbell had small hands and got over that to have a nice career. (Side Note: Isn&#039;t it funny how Lakers fans used to rag on Big Easy because of his quiet demeanor? But at least we actually got something with that guy. I remember him dropping 40+ on the Knicks and Patrick Ewing in 1997 when Shaq was out.)  Unless Kwame decides to focus on basketball, he&#039;s pretty much going to be what he&#039;s always been in the NBA to this point.

As for Bynum. He&#039;s a different story. You can tell that he works hard on his game. He&#039;s so solid on offense. He has moves with both hand and on both side of the block. He has GREAT footwork, especially for a man of his size. Also his court vision and passing have been good and he seems to have potential to get even better.  Obviously he needs to get better on defense.  His problem last year was conditioning, and he&#039;s seemed to work on a lot of that. His legs and his base still need to get stronger, but he&#039;s showed a lot more spring than he did last season.  I mean the last few games he&#039;s really been getting off of the ground and throwing down some powerful dunks. People knock this FO for not trading Bynum, but there are solid reasons for this.  Unless he loses focus or starts getting injured there is no way that he is not going to be an All-Star for years to come.  This isn&#039;t Dampier. This isn&#039;t even Eddy Curry.  This is a strong, very long, athletic, agile big man who is only 20 years old yet has already worked harder on his game than most classic ceneters ever do during their careers.  Like I said, barring injury or loss of focus, there is no way he doesn&#039;t become an all-star for years to come.

The irony of Kobe and Bynum is that it kind of reminds me of Shaq and Kobe. Shaq not liking the young brash kid with tons of potential that the organization seemed to love more than him seems a lot like Kobe telling the organization to choose between him and Bynum.  What Kobe doesn&#039;t understand is that if he embraced Bynum and worked with him, he might be a lot closer to having a winning team in Los Angeles than he thinks.  Kobe should be taking Bynum under his wing.  Showing him how hard he works. Encouraging him to be the best big man he could be. Kobe says he needs to win now, but players can go from potential to being good within one season. Look at Steve Nash, Josh Howard, Tony Parker, Leandro Barbosa, Dirk Nowitzki.  Nowitzki&#039;s rookie year was terrible. Nash was below average his first three to four years in the league. Josh Howard broke out out of know where during his third year. Barbosa was seen as a bust until he really started to break loose during the 2006 season.  Tony Parker was a starter that couldn&#039;t finish games because of his lack of focus and dislike for contact his first three seasons in the league. I mean, TP is the reason Speedy Claxton currently is making the kind of dough he is.   My point is that sometimes all you need is a little bit of patience. I know it sounds idealistic, but I think it&#039;s still possible.  Young guys need time to develop. Bynum, Farmar, Critt, and even Sasha are showing great signs of improvement. Barbosa didn&#039;t break lose and show what he had to offer until his third season.  The Suns had patience. The Lakers, Kobe and the fans need to learn how to do the same thing. 

Sorry for the long post...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl will stay in the league for years as a spot three point shooter. Steve Kerr did it. He just has to play next to guys that if he wants to stay in the league. He has other skills, and can possibly develop them to an NBA level with his hard work. But the safe bet is for him to pull a Dell Curry/Steve Kerr type deal and work a long career out of that.</p>
<p>Kwame&#8217;s main problem is that he doesn&#8217;t care. As Phil says, Kwame is more about getting laughs from his teammates than actually working on his game in practice. He has all of the natural talent, but is just LAZY and lacking focus.  Yeah he has small hands, but Elden Campbell had small hands and got over that to have a nice career. (Side Note: Isn&#8217;t it funny how Lakers fans used to rag on Big Easy because of his quiet demeanor? But at least we actually got something with that guy. I remember him dropping 40+ on the Knicks and Patrick Ewing in 1997 when Shaq was out.)  Unless Kwame decides to focus on basketball, he&#8217;s pretty much going to be what he&#8217;s always been in the NBA to this point.</p>
<p>As for Bynum. He&#8217;s a different story. You can tell that he works hard on his game. He&#8217;s so solid on offense. He has moves with both hand and on both side of the block. He has GREAT footwork, especially for a man of his size. Also his court vision and passing have been good and he seems to have potential to get even better.  Obviously he needs to get better on defense.  His problem last year was conditioning, and he&#8217;s seemed to work on a lot of that. His legs and his base still need to get stronger, but he&#8217;s showed a lot more spring than he did last season.  I mean the last few games he&#8217;s really been getting off of the ground and throwing down some powerful dunks. People knock this FO for not trading Bynum, but there are solid reasons for this.  Unless he loses focus or starts getting injured there is no way that he is not going to be an All-Star for years to come.  This isn&#8217;t Dampier. This isn&#8217;t even Eddy Curry.  This is a strong, very long, athletic, agile big man who is only 20 years old yet has already worked harder on his game than most classic ceneters ever do during their careers.  Like I said, barring injury or loss of focus, there is no way he doesn&#8217;t become an all-star for years to come.</p>
<p>The irony of Kobe and Bynum is that it kind of reminds me of Shaq and Kobe. Shaq not liking the young brash kid with tons of potential that the organization seemed to love more than him seems a lot like Kobe telling the organization to choose between him and Bynum.  What Kobe doesn&#8217;t understand is that if he embraced Bynum and worked with him, he might be a lot closer to having a winning team in Los Angeles than he thinks.  Kobe should be taking Bynum under his wing.  Showing him how hard he works. Encouraging him to be the best big man he could be. Kobe says he needs to win now, but players can go from potential to being good within one season. Look at Steve Nash, Josh Howard, Tony Parker, Leandro Barbosa, Dirk Nowitzki.  Nowitzki&#8217;s rookie year was terrible. Nash was below average his first three to four years in the league. Josh Howard broke out out of know where during his third year. Barbosa was seen as a bust until he really started to break loose during the 2006 season.  Tony Parker was a starter that couldn&#8217;t finish games because of his lack of focus and dislike for contact his first three seasons in the league. I mean, TP is the reason Speedy Claxton currently is making the kind of dough he is.   My point is that sometimes all you need is a little bit of patience. I know it sounds idealistic, but I think it&#8217;s still possible.  Young guys need time to develop. Bynum, Farmar, Critt, and even Sasha are showing great signs of improvement. Barbosa didn&#8217;t break lose and show what he had to offer until his third season.  The Suns had patience. The Lakers, Kobe and the fans need to learn how to do the same thing. </p>
<p>Sorry for the long post&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only got to watch the second half, and I&#039;m the last person to question the Zen Master&#039;s rotations, but will someone please tell him that under no circumstances should Brian Cook and Vlad be on the court at the same time.  They are the same player, down to the terrible defense and bonehead plays in the offense. Its like they&#039;re trying to out-mistake each other.  One at a time is just cringe worthy enough to be tolerable.  Both sort of makes me want to vomit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only got to watch the second half, and I&#8217;m the last person to question the Zen Master&#8217;s rotations, but will someone please tell him that under no circumstances should Brian Cook and Vlad be on the court at the same time.  They are the same player, down to the terrible defense and bonehead plays in the offense. Its like they&#8217;re trying to out-mistake each other.  One at a time is just cringe worthy enough to be tolerable.  Both sort of makes me want to vomit.</p>
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		<title>By: Lamar Odom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lamar Odom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the team can play without kobe.  no doubt about that.  trade the guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the team can play without kobe.  no doubt about that.  trade the guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, 6&#039;5 is not that relevant if you play SF on this team. I still think he is a true SG rather than what the depth chart supposes him to play... its more like the Lakers are 2-deep at SF and 3-deep at SG and PG with Sasha being a hybrid SG/SF due to his size.

This being said I want Coby Karl to play on the D-League for awhile to make his presence felt and to boost his confidence. The Lakers can still carry 14 players up to January where his 100 grand will determine if he is worth 300 more or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, 6&#8242;5 is not that relevant if you play SF on this team. I still think he is a true SG rather than what the depth chart supposes him to play&#8230; its more like the Lakers are 2-deep at SF and 3-deep at SG and PG with Sasha being a hybrid SG/SF due to his size.</p>
<p>This being said I want Coby Karl to play on the D-League for awhile to make his presence felt and to boost his confidence. The Lakers can still carry 14 players up to January where his 100 grand will determine if he is worth 300 more or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warren,
Coby Karl is 6&#039;5&quot;, with long arms. While he is reed thin, did you see some of his defensive stances. He did bother the other players - ones that will play in the NBA. That is what I found most encouraging and why I think he should take the 15th spot. He is insurance in case of an emergency, a backup in case of a trade, and can play most of the year in the D-league.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren,<br />
Coby Karl is 6&#8242;5&#8243;, with long arms. While he is reed thin, did you see some of his defensive stances. He did bother the other players &#8211; ones that will play in the NBA. That is what I found most encouraging and why I think he should take the 15th spot. He is insurance in case of an emergency, a backup in case of a trade, and can play most of the year in the D-league.</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 12:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is completely off topic but, did anyone notice Garnetts triple double; 21, 13, 10. He had something like 10, 5, 6 in the first quarter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is completely off topic but, did anyone notice Garnetts triple double; 21, 13, 10. He had something like 10, 5, 6 in the first quarter.</p>
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