Comments on: Shaq/Kobe vs. Kobe/Bynum http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/27/shaqkobe-vs/ A Lakers Blog. Thoughts, reflections, and the odd rant on the Los Angeles Lakers and the NBA (even the Clippers). Thu, 09 Feb 2012 05:41:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Lighting Retrofit http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/27/shaqkobe-vs/comment-page-1/#comment-584339 Lighting Retrofit Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:06:34 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/27/shaqkobe-vs/#comment-584339 No doubt. Bynum didn't look so good in that particular game, but I see him eventually progressing beyond where he was last year for sure and taking over as top dog league wide. No doubt. Bynum didn’t look so good in that particular game, but I see him eventually progressing beyond where he was last year for sure and taking over as top dog league wide.

]]> By: Master Electrician http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/27/shaqkobe-vs/comment-page-1/#comment-584338 Master Electrician Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:04:53 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/27/shaqkobe-vs/#comment-584338 I found this after the game against Phoenix the other day. Shaq still has his old tricks to fall back on, and no one matches his size, but Bynum is definitely on his way to replacing him as the top center in the NBA. I found this after the game against Phoenix the other day. Shaq still has his old tricks to fall back on, and no one matches his size, but Bynum is definitely on his way to replacing him as the top center in the NBA.

]]> By: Business Phones http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/27/shaqkobe-vs/comment-page-1/#comment-458155 Business Phones Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:06:47 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/27/shaqkobe-vs/#comment-458155 I think this whole debate just got some fresh air. We might just be seeing Shaq in the playoffs, and hopefully Bynum will be ready for the challenge. I think this whole debate just got some fresh air. We might just be seeing Shaq in the playoffs, and hopefully Bynum will be ready for the challenge.

]]> By: Business Telephone Systems http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/27/shaqkobe-vs/comment-page-1/#comment-334482 Business Telephone Systems Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:17:56 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/27/shaqkobe-vs/#comment-334482 It's a bit early to bring up this comparison. This is like asking about Magic Kareem vs Shaq Kobe when Kobe was 20. Not enough data at that point to really know. I like his development, but let's not get carried away. It’s a bit early to bring up this comparison. This is like asking about Magic Kareem vs Shaq Kobe when Kobe was 20. Not enough data at that point to really know. I like his development, but let’s not get carried away.

]]> By: rudy http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/27/shaqkobe-vs/comment-page-1/#comment-299736 rudy Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:36:56 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/27/shaqkobe-vs/#comment-299736 First of all ,why is Bynum being so idolized? Look at the rop tier teams and they don't have potential playing center,is he that good that we risk losing the best player in the world ?Who puts fan on Staples Kobe or Bynum? The only reqason last game was televised nationally wasn't Mitch,Buss or any of the front office...give Kobe help now! First of all ,why is Bynum being so idolized? Look at the rop tier teams and they don’t have potential playing center,is he that good that we risk losing the best player in the world ?Who puts fan on Staples Kobe or Bynum? The only reqason last game was televised nationally wasn’t Mitch,Buss or any of the front office…give Kobe help now!

]]> By: KenV http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/27/shaqkobe-vs/comment-page-1/#comment-297857 KenV Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:36:29 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/27/shaqkobe-vs/#comment-297857 I for one do not believe Kobe will be traded. Any team that trades for him will have to gut itself placing kb24 in exactly the same position he is in now. Before the draft, he believed he could compete with a less than stellar roster in the Eastern conference. With Lewis, Randolf, Allen, Garnett, and the other players that moved from the Western conference to the East, I think Kb24 realizes that the path to the championship is no longer a cakewalk with him in the Eastern conference. regardless of what the Lakers decide its Kobe who holds the cards, he has to like the deal and the team he is traded too and frankly other than the Suns, there is no team out there that can meet the salary of Kobe and Kwame in a trade and not completely gut their roster. The suns have their own chemistry issues with Marion and Stoudamire, a combination of either one plus raja bell and boris diaw is makeable and gives both teams some of what they need. For Kobe he goes to a team that will contend with a style and all star caliber talent he would agree too. for the Lakers they get an all star back a former 6th man of the year and a defensive stopper. The suns get a defensive presence in kobe a big man to combat Duncan. Even this is unrealistic if the truth be known. Fact is the landscape of the league has changed. No matter who wants to make a deal for KB24 the cost is prohibitive. Kobe will not waive his no trade and so right now the Buss's and bryant both need to realize this isnt going to happen, stop talking about it (Buss's) let it fade for now and play the damn game. I for one do not believe Kobe will be traded. Any team that trades for him will have to gut itself placing kb24 in exactly the same position he is in now. Before the draft, he believed he could compete with a less than stellar roster in the Eastern conference. With Lewis, Randolf, Allen, Garnett, and the other players that moved from the Western conference to the East, I think Kb24 realizes that the path to the championship is no longer a cakewalk with him in the Eastern conference. regardless of what the Lakers decide its Kobe who holds the cards, he has to like the deal and the team he is traded too and frankly other than the Suns, there is no team out there that can meet the salary of Kobe and Kwame in a trade and not completely gut their roster. The suns have their own chemistry issues with Marion and Stoudamire, a combination of either one plus raja bell and boris diaw is makeable and gives both teams some of what they need. For Kobe he goes to a team that will contend with a style and all star caliber talent he would agree too. for the Lakers they get an all star back a former 6th man of the year and a defensive stopper. The suns get a defensive presence in kobe a big man to combat Duncan. Even this is unrealistic if the truth be known. Fact is the landscape of the league has changed. No matter who wants to make a deal for KB24 the cost is prohibitive. Kobe will not waive his no trade and so right now the Buss’s and bryant both need to realize this isnt going to happen, stop talking about it (Buss’s) let it fade for now and play the damn game.

]]> By: Business Phones http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/27/shaqkobe-vs/comment-page-1/#comment-296486 Business Phones Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:27:42 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/27/shaqkobe-vs/#comment-296486 The issue is really not one of patience. It is one of honor and trust. Kobe was promised that a contender would be built around him NOW when he resigned. He got Smush Parker and 19 year old rookies drafted to help him. When opportunities came along to get proven vet talent to assist him, the Lakers would not pull the trigger in order to hold on to potential. That is something Kobe did not agree to. So even though the Lakers may have INTENDED to create a winner, everything they have done has shown the opposite. Including passing on Jason Kidd. For the hardest working guy in the league to essentially be lied to about building a winner, he has reacted in kind. He wants them to either put up or move him. This Summer? Nothing but Fisher. And as much as Kobe likes DFish, it isn't enough. I don't see it working itself out. And I'm ok with it. Move him on to a contender, take some young talent and expiring K's, and build with the young core you've been trying to surround him with and pass off as a competitive team. Maybe in a few years...... The issue is really not one of patience. It is one of honor and trust.

Kobe was promised that a contender would be built around him NOW when he resigned. He got Smush Parker and 19 year old rookies drafted to help him.

When opportunities came along to get proven vet talent to assist him, the Lakers would not pull the trigger in order to hold on to potential. That is something Kobe did not agree to.

So even though the Lakers may have INTENDED to create a winner, everything they have done has shown the opposite. Including passing on Jason Kidd.

For the hardest working guy in the league to essentially be lied to about building a winner, he has reacted in kind. He wants them to either put up or move him. This Summer? Nothing but Fisher. And as much as Kobe likes DFish, it isn’t enough.

I don’t see it working itself out. And I’m ok with it. Move him on to a contender, take some young talent and expiring K’s, and build with the young core you’ve been trying to surround him with and pass off as a competitive team. Maybe in a few years……

]]> By: the other Stephen http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/27/shaqkobe-vs/comment-page-1/#comment-296419 the other Stephen Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:33:17 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/27/shaqkobe-vs/#comment-296419 i really appreciated this post, but i'm going to reserve judgement till the lake show proves itself. no more words, please. i really appreciated this post, but i’m going to reserve judgement till the lake show proves itself. no more words, please.

]]> By: Lawrence (NYC) http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/27/shaqkobe-vs/comment-page-1/#comment-296284 Lawrence (NYC) Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:46:17 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/27/shaqkobe-vs/#comment-296284 I grew up a Laker fan and was frenzied when I heard Kobe say: "Trade me." I looked for good news the whole summer, to no avail. At this point, I don't care who plays where. I just want the season to begin and I want to watch some great basketball. I'll always follow Kobe's career and cheer for him; regardless of his temperament and moodiness, he's really the most singular and entertaining player in basketball. Take Kobe out of the league and it's just not the same. And I'll always rout for my Lakers...even when they suck. That''s what being a fan is about: appreciating the good times by weathering the bad ones. Go Kobe! Go Lakers! I grew up a Laker fan and was frenzied when I heard Kobe say: “Trade me.” I looked for good news the whole summer, to no avail. At this point, I don’t care who plays where. I just want the season to begin and I want to watch some great basketball. I’ll always follow Kobe’s career and cheer for him; regardless of his temperament and moodiness, he’s really the most singular and entertaining player in basketball. Take Kobe out of the league and it’s just not the same. And I’ll always rout for my Lakers…even when they suck. That”s what being a fan is about: appreciating the good times by weathering the bad ones. Go Kobe! Go Lakers!

]]> By: gdchild http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/27/shaqkobe-vs/comment-page-1/#comment-295627 gdchild Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:10:51 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/27/shaqkobe-vs/#comment-295627 Not accurate comparision. There was much difference. Not accurate comparision. There was much difference.

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