Comments on: Game One Thoughts http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/31/game-one-thoughts/ A Lakers Blog. Thoughts, reflections, and the odd rant on the Los Angeles Lakers and the NBA (even the Clippers). Thu, 09 Feb 2012 07:41:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Stephen http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/31/game-one-thoughts/comment-page-2/#comment-301249 Stephen Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:48:22 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/31/game-one-thoughts/#comment-301249 Kurt, The Lakers could-could-move Lamar and a First in a sign and trade for a pricey FA that the other team doesn't want to sign at the price the Lakers are willing. Add a MLE contract(Josh Childress,Dorell Wright?)and the Lakers prob could still get under Lux Tax territory. Kurt,
The Lakers could-could-move Lamar and a First in a sign and trade for a pricey FA that the other team doesn’t want to sign at the price the Lakers are willing.
Add a MLE contract(Josh Childress,Dorell Wright?)and the Lakers prob could still get under Lux Tax territory.

]]> By: Chise http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/31/game-one-thoughts/comment-page-2/#comment-301195 Chise Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:50:05 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/31/game-one-thoughts/#comment-301195 I agree with a lot of what you said in 64, Craig. And I'd just as well prefer we don't discuss it anymore but it's hard when it's all you hear or see on tv, talk radio, the papers, etc. One thing is clear though, we need a yay or nay one way or the other so the team can move on to focusing solely on the season. I agree with a lot of what you said in 64, Craig. And I’d just as well prefer we don’t discuss it anymore but it’s hard when it’s all you hear or see on tv, talk radio, the papers, etc. One thing is clear though, we need a yay or nay one way or the other so the team can move on to focusing solely on the season.

]]> By: Craig W. http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/31/game-one-thoughts/comment-page-2/#comment-301161 Craig W. Thu, 01 Nov 2007 14:58:50 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/31/game-one-thoughts/#comment-301161 Chise, I didn't hear about the 'Deng thing' until I read it here. I do follow my own prescriptions about ESPN. Now we are reporting on what we think Kobe might have told management about a trade that Chicago probably didn't propose or agree to. Great!!! This is what I mean when I say we need to halt all this senseless talk. We are driving ourselves nuts because we keep talking in circles. I read a comment above that a reader was now all through with Kobe because of the 'Deng thing'. The highest probability is that Kobe said nothing and someone put words in his mouth because they thought that's what he would say. Agggggggg!!!!!!!! Chise,
I didn’t hear about the ‘Deng thing’ until I read it here. I do follow my own prescriptions about ESPN. Now we are reporting on what we think Kobe might have told management about a trade that Chicago probably didn’t propose or agree to. Great!!! This is what I mean when I say we need to halt all this senseless talk. We are driving ourselves nuts because we keep talking in circles. I read a comment above that a reader was now all through with Kobe because of the ‘Deng thing’. The highest probability is that Kobe said nothing and someone put words in his mouth because they thought that’s what he would say. Agggggggg!!!!!!!!

]]> By: Chise http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/31/game-one-thoughts/comment-page-2/#comment-301080 Chise Thu, 01 Nov 2007 13:23:20 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/31/game-one-thoughts/#comment-301080 I wouldn't go that far with the ESPN thing Craig. While they may sensationalize things, Chris Sheridan and Mark Stein, in particular, seem to be more on the ball than the others. I'm not saying they are right all the time or anything, but I'd be more inclined to believe some of what they say over anything that comes out of Ric Bucher's mouth. That said, if this whole "if Deng is included, I'll veto the trade" thing is true, Kobe's gone insane. Either he doesn't really want to be traded and is too proud to admit it, or he's gone off his rocker. There's no way he goes to the Bulls without Deng being included. I can't see the FO getting suckered into taking a team's 2nd or 3rd best player over their best player again ala the Shaq trade. Anyhow, I'm all for the "let's not talk about it until it happens" pact. If the Lakers take that a la carte menu being trotted out by Chicago tho, I may cancel my League Pass... I wouldn’t go that far with the ESPN thing Craig. While they may sensationalize things, Chris Sheridan and Mark Stein, in particular, seem to be more on the ball than the others. I’m not saying they are right all the time or anything, but I’d be more inclined to believe some of what they say over anything that comes out of Ric Bucher’s mouth.

That said, if this whole “if Deng is included, I’ll veto the trade” thing is true, Kobe’s gone insane. Either he doesn’t really want to be traded and is too proud to admit it, or he’s gone off his rocker. There’s no way he goes to the Bulls without Deng being included. I can’t see the FO getting suckered into taking a team’s 2nd or 3rd best player over their best player again ala the Shaq trade.

Anyhow, I’m all for the “let’s not talk about it until it happens” pact. If the Lakers take that a la carte menu being trotted out by Chicago tho, I may cancel my League Pass…

]]> By: Travis Y. http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/31/game-one-thoughts/comment-page-2/#comment-300703 Travis Y. Thu, 01 Nov 2007 08:03:58 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/31/game-one-thoughts/#comment-300703 Kurt, I understand the Lakers don't want to go over the salary cap b/c Buss treats the Lakers like a business as well he should. But shouldn't Buss look at the scenario he'll create if he trades Kobe w/o getting a star in return. He loses earnings b/c he won't get the same movie stars filling up all the expensive seats anymore. The franchise will be dormant for a good period of time definitely losing the interest of the casual fair weather fan (most LA fans). Instead why shouldn't Buss spend more money and go over the salary cap next year. He keeps Kobe and gets another star to add to the team. Seats keep getting filled and then he'll have a reason to charge more for his premium seats. Yet it looks like Buss is trying to follow Donald Sterling's approach to putting out the least competitive team that will make him the most money. = angering the fans of the franchise. I wonder if Buss will come to his senses, or if he's just like Kobe and want to do things his way. Kurt,
I understand the Lakers don’t want to go over the salary cap b/c Buss treats the Lakers like a business as well he should. But shouldn’t Buss look at the scenario he’ll create if he trades Kobe w/o getting a star in return. He loses earnings b/c he won’t get the same movie stars filling up all the expensive seats anymore. The franchise will be dormant for a good period of time definitely losing the interest of the casual fair weather fan (most LA fans).

Instead why shouldn’t Buss spend more money and go over the salary cap next year. He keeps Kobe and gets another star to add to the team. Seats keep getting filled and then he’ll have a reason to charge more for his premium seats.

Yet it looks like Buss is trying to follow Donald Sterling’s approach to putting out the least competitive team that will make him the most money. = angering the fans of the franchise.
I wonder if Buss will come to his senses, or if he’s just like Kobe and want to do things his way.

]]> By: carter blanchard http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/31/game-one-thoughts/comment-page-2/#comment-300700 carter blanchard Thu, 01 Nov 2007 08:00:34 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/31/game-one-thoughts/#comment-300700 Appreciate the kind words Kurt. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't more than a little bit intimidated to be joining that company, but luckily Ty's off to a good start it seems. Also, the Ben Wallace/Ron Artest rumor, while being hilariously defensive-minded, made no actual sense. The worst thing we can possibly do is trade for someone like Big Ben. Appreciate the kind words Kurt. I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t more than a little bit intimidated to be joining that company, but luckily Ty’s off to a good start it seems.

Also, the Ben Wallace/Ron Artest rumor, while being hilariously defensive-minded, made no actual sense. The worst thing we can possibly do is trade for someone like Big Ben.

]]> By: Erez http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/31/game-one-thoughts/comment-page-2/#comment-300674 Erez Thu, 01 Nov 2007 07:38:03 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/31/game-one-thoughts/#comment-300674 I didn't care about the rape issue. Wasn't there. Wasn't me. Wasn't mine. I didn't care about the Shaq issue. I could see Shaq was loafing and would never try hard for the Lakers again. Saw Kobe worked his ass off and sided that way. I was a touch irritated that the Bryant family soap opera got Karl Malone to give up on one more year with the team but with Divac injured, I'm not sure it would have made a difference. BTW, all you Kupcake bashers, he put together a team hit hard by injuries that year. With Malone, Kobe, Vlad, Caron and LO, that team could have been a condender of sorts. Now, after reports that including Deng in a trade is keeping Kobe from okaying the deal, I am over him. He talks about loving the LA fans but obviously its just talk. He expects the Lakers to send him to Chicago for far less then value so he too can leave the team and win a title, leaving us fans standing with no Deng in our hands. If Kobe was better at letting his teammates develope he would not be in the position he is in. Guys like Bynum, Turiaf, Critt and Farmar need to make things happen for this team and Kobe does not let a flow develop for anyone else. Its about time Kobe goes and when he goes, the Lakers can settle for nothing less then young talent and the best player on that team. If they can't get that then lets watch as these borderline Eastern Conference Contenders continue to toe the borderlines. Its not up to the Lakers to give another team a championship other then one for themselves and for LA. The one team that wins the championship is the only one happy in the end and those with talent but fading hope get desperate. There is only one "Best Player in the World" and to get him and the tickets, ad space and network appearances that go with him, you need to give up allot. Lets just see Kobe opt out after next year. What team with a chance at winning will have the cap space to sign him? If he signs a small contract, lets see how the NBAPA likes that. A signed Deng, Thomas, Noah and a fat contract. Let that contract go after one season, let Brown go or sign him for what he is actually worth, make some roster moves to free space and go after Arenas. Critt/Farmar Arenas LO Thomas/Noah Bynum That is a pretty solid starting five in 2008. Farmar, Fish, Noah/Thomas, Walton and Turiaf off the bench. Let me know how that works capwise. I didn’t care about the rape issue. Wasn’t there. Wasn’t me. Wasn’t mine.

I didn’t care about the Shaq issue. I could see Shaq was loafing and would never try hard for the Lakers again. Saw Kobe worked his ass off and sided that way.

I was a touch irritated that the Bryant family soap opera got Karl Malone to give up on one more year with the team but with Divac injured, I’m not sure it would have made a difference. BTW, all you Kupcake bashers, he put together a team hit hard by injuries that year. With Malone, Kobe, Vlad, Caron and LO, that team could have been a condender of sorts.

Now, after reports that including Deng in a trade is keeping Kobe from okaying the deal, I am over him. He talks about loving the LA fans but obviously its just talk. He expects the Lakers to send him to Chicago for far less then value so he too can leave the team and win a title, leaving us fans standing with no Deng in our hands.

If Kobe was better at letting his teammates develope he would not be in the position he is in. Guys like Bynum, Turiaf, Critt and Farmar need to make things happen for this team and Kobe does not let a flow develop for anyone else.

Its about time Kobe goes and when he goes, the Lakers can settle for nothing less then young talent and the best player on that team. If they can’t get that then lets watch as these borderline Eastern Conference Contenders continue to toe the borderlines. Its not up to the Lakers to give another team a championship other then one for themselves and for LA. The one team that wins the championship is the only one happy in the end and those with talent but fading hope get desperate. There is only one “Best Player in the World” and to get him and the tickets, ad space and network appearances that go with him, you need to give up allot.

Lets just see Kobe opt out after next year. What team with a chance at winning will have the cap space to sign him? If he signs a small contract, lets see how the NBAPA likes that.

A signed Deng, Thomas, Noah and a fat contract. Let that contract go after one season, let Brown go or sign him for what he is actually worth, make some roster moves to free space and go after Arenas.

Critt/Farmar
Arenas
LO
Thomas/Noah
Bynum

That is a pretty solid starting five in 2008. Farmar, Fish, Noah/Thomas, Walton and Turiaf off the bench. Let me know how that works capwise.

]]> By: Brett F. http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/31/game-one-thoughts/comment-page-2/#comment-300576 Brett F. Thu, 01 Nov 2007 06:11:57 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/31/game-one-thoughts/#comment-300576 Craig W you are so right. Anything ESPN reports has to be taken with a grain of salt considering their need for timeliness instead of truthfulness. Just look at the Eli Manning injury story earlier in the year. All ESPN is doing is they need a talking point for OTL, ATH, PTI, and every other show on their network so they blow this up like crazy. I am not saying talks aren't going on between the Bulls and Lakers but I would definitely wait till SI or Yahoo or someone cream us over the story like ESPN is right now. Craig W you are so right. Anything ESPN reports has to be taken with a grain of salt considering their need for timeliness instead of truthfulness. Just look at the Eli Manning injury story earlier in the year.

All ESPN is doing is they need a talking point for OTL, ATH, PTI, and every other show on their network so they blow this up like crazy. I am not saying talks aren’t going on between the Bulls and Lakers but I would definitely wait till SI or Yahoo or someone cream us over the story like ESPN is right now.

]]> By: Paul http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/31/game-one-thoughts/comment-page-2/#comment-300550 Paul Thu, 01 Nov 2007 05:41:53 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/31/game-one-thoughts/#comment-300550 I guess that means we should have traded Shaq for as many expiring contracts we could get, and then waited it out until a players that compliment Kobe went FA. I guess that means we should have traded Shaq for as many expiring contracts we could get, and then waited it out until a players that compliment Kobe went FA.

]]> By: Kurt http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/31/game-one-thoughts/comment-page-2/#comment-300539 Kurt Thu, 01 Nov 2007 05:34:11 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/10/31/game-one-thoughts/#comment-300539 55. It's just not that simple. The Lakers already have about $60 million committed for next year, even with those guys off the books, and the cap is going to be in the $58 million range, the Lakers will be over it. Meaning they can only offer the mid-level exception, which will get none of the guys on that list. 55. It’s just not that simple. The Lakers already have about $60 million committed for next year, even with those guys off the books, and the cap is going to be in the $58 million range, the Lakers will be over it. Meaning they can only offer the mid-level exception, which will get none of the guys on that list.

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