Comments on: Anatomy of a Turnover http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/12/anatomy-of-a-turnover/ A Lakers Blog. Thoughts, reflections, and the odd rant on the Los Angeles Lakers and the NBA (even the Clippers). Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:18:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Craig W. http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/12/anatomy-of-a-turnover/comment-page-1/#comment-319190 Craig W. Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:00:11 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/12/anatomy-of-a-turnover/#comment-319190 exhelodrvr, You are absolutely right about the injury quotient on the Laker squad. That is why it is so important that we moved LO to SF and don't give him the PFs to guard - they beat him up so badly that he is injured. That is also why Walton belongs to the 2nd squad - he heals slowly so we need him against those players he can dominate and who have to adjust to him. This year it appears both of those circumstances will come to pass so I forecast fewer injury games lost. Kwame will be Kwame - injurywise I fear - and that will be a problem against the big centers of the league. Denver is built on people who have established reputations operating separately and are also on the downside of their careers - except Melo - and therefore I don't see the development upside to that team that I do with the Lakers. exhelodrvr,
You are absolutely right about the injury quotient on the Laker squad. That is why it is so important that we moved LO to SF and don’t give him the PFs to guard – they beat him up so badly that he is injured. That is also why Walton belongs to the 2nd squad – he heals slowly so we need him against those players he can dominate and who have to adjust to him. This year it appears both of those circumstances will come to pass so I forecast fewer injury games lost. Kwame will be Kwame – injurywise I fear – and that will be a problem against the big centers of the league.

Denver is built on people who have established reputations operating separately and are also on the downside of their careers – except Melo – and therefore I don’t see the development upside to that team that I do with the Lakers.

]]> By: ryan http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/12/anatomy-of-a-turnover/comment-page-1/#comment-319157 ryan Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:04:11 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/12/anatomy-of-a-turnover/#comment-319157 diadaro. I'm not sold on Denver. On paper they look more talented than the Lakers, (mello, AI, Martin) but I don't think they are really that much better. They don't play any better defense than the Lakers, and so far the Lakers offense looks better. I think both the Lakers and Denver only go as far as their defense takes them. diadaro. I’m not sold on Denver. On paper they look more talented than the Lakers, (mello, AI, Martin) but I don’t think they are really that much better. They don’t play any better defense than the Lakers, and so far the Lakers offense looks better. I think both the Lakers and Denver only go as far as their defense takes them.

]]> By: Renato Afonso http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/12/anatomy-of-a-turnover/comment-page-1/#comment-319012 Renato Afonso Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:39:34 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/12/anatomy-of-a-turnover/#comment-319012 Oh well, don't we all have our clubs? Too bad Portugal is NOT represented in the Euroleague... But yep, we have passion about our clubs... I think it has to do with historical reasons, but also social reasons. For instance, in Lisbon, the lower classes or the less rich all support Benfica, while Sporting is the team for the upper-classes. In-town rivalries and country rivalries intensify the feeling we have for the game (football, basketball, volleyball, whatever...) and we start to belong to a club. Then you have the Firms (most of them are violent) but still you get some nice chants and colour in the game... I really can't explain it more accurately. About the TO issue with the Lakers... Didn't see the game :( Won't comment until I'm able to see a FULL game. Oh well, don’t we all have our clubs? Too bad Portugal is NOT represented in the Euroleague…

But yep, we have passion about our clubs… I think it has to do with historical reasons, but also social reasons.

For instance, in Lisbon, the lower classes or the less rich all support Benfica, while Sporting is the team for the upper-classes. In-town rivalries and country rivalries intensify the feeling we have for the game (football, basketball, volleyball, whatever…) and we start to belong to a club. Then you have the Firms (most of them are violent) but still you get some nice chants and colour in the game…

I really can’t explain it more accurately.

About the TO issue with the Lakers… Didn’t see the game :( Won’t comment until I’m able to see a FULL game.

]]> By: Xavier http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/12/anatomy-of-a-turnover/comment-page-1/#comment-318924 Xavier Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:46:05 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/12/anatomy-of-a-turnover/#comment-318924 ops, that anonymous was me, try to fix it if you can Kurt, I'm not on my computer I'm sorry about that ops, that anonymous was me, try to fix it if you can Kurt, I’m not on my computer
I’m sorry about that

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/12/anatomy-of-a-turnover/comment-page-1/#comment-318887 Anonymous Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:01:14 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/12/anatomy-of-a-turnover/#comment-318887 off topic: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=whittelloneuroleague 10 points why you should follow euroleague count me in point n.9 you'll find me in every single Joventud de Badalona game they play home cheering my team off topic:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=whittelloneuroleague

10 points why you should follow euroleague
count me in point n.9
you’ll find me in every single Joventud de Badalona game they play home cheering my team

]]> By: the other Stephen http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/12/anatomy-of-a-turnover/comment-page-1/#comment-318724 the other Stephen Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:54:01 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/12/anatomy-of-a-turnover/#comment-318724 they have to improve now, yo. i would go down and work out with bynum and farmar myself if i had to. they have to improve now, yo. i would go down and work out with bynum and farmar myself if i had to.

]]> By: exhelodrvr http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/12/anatomy-of-a-turnover/comment-page-1/#comment-318707 exhelodrvr Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:17:10 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/12/anatomy-of-a-turnover/#comment-318707 20) Diadaro, I agree that the Lakers will likely be fighting for the 7th/8th spots; and would be lucky to get 50 wins. With the makeup of their team, though, it isn't unreasonable to hope that they will improve more throughout the season than the rest of the contenders. They have a number of young players and players that were not involved last year because of injuries that are important components of their rotation. If those players contribute reasonably well this year (Mihm, Vlad), and improve as they gain experience (Bynum, Farmar, Turiaf, possibly Walton is in that group), they could be dangerous come playoff time. And definitely by next season. 20) Diadaro,
I agree that the Lakers will likely be fighting for the 7th/8th spots; and would be lucky to get 50 wins. With the makeup of their team, though, it isn’t unreasonable to hope that they will improve more throughout the season than the rest of the contenders. They have a number of young players and players that were not involved last year because of injuries that are important components of their rotation. If those players contribute reasonably well this year (Mihm, Vlad), and improve as they gain experience (Bynum, Farmar, Turiaf, possibly Walton is in that group), they could be dangerous come playoff time. And definitely by next season.

]]> By: exhelodrvr http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/12/anatomy-of-a-turnover/comment-page-1/#comment-318701 exhelodrvr Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:11:41 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/12/anatomy-of-a-turnover/#comment-318701 Craig W, The Lakers have the issue of a number of players with a history of injuries, though. That increases the chance that they will be hit harder (relative to the "average" team) with injuries. Craig W,
The Lakers have the issue of a number of players with a history of injuries, though. That increases the chance that they will be hit harder (relative to the “average” team) with injuries.

]]> By: Craig W. http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/12/anatomy-of-a-turnover/comment-page-1/#comment-318659 Craig W. Tue, 13 Nov 2007 05:08:16 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/12/anatomy-of-a-turnover/#comment-318659 diadaro, Although, using traditional measurements, you have the Lakers pegged about right, you are looking at known players and quantities. As the season plays out there are two unknown factors that impact each and every year. 1) injuries always impacts some of the contenders and 2) young and growing players appear on the scene and older players drop off as the year goes on. The Lakers are in somewhat good shape for each contingency: 1) with all the injuries last year to players 2-6 we have had to play a lot of younger players and 2) those players now can continue to grow this year. I think the Lakers are better than their traditional measurement because of the number of experienced young players on the squad and - of course - Kobe. This guarantees nothing, but it does give us hope when all the pundits are writing the team off. diadaro,
Although, using traditional measurements, you have the Lakers pegged about right, you are looking at known players and quantities. As the season plays out there are two unknown factors that impact each and every year. 1) injuries always impacts some of the contenders and 2) young and growing players appear on the scene and older players drop off as the year goes on.

The Lakers are in somewhat good shape for each contingency: 1) with all the injuries last year to players 2-6 we have had to play a lot of younger players and 2) those players now can continue to grow this year.

I think the Lakers are better than their traditional measurement because of the number of experienced young players on the squad and – of course – Kobe. This guarantees nothing, but it does give us hope when all the pundits are writing the team off.

]]> By: Paul http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/12/anatomy-of-a-turnover/comment-page-1/#comment-318590 Paul Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:27:17 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/12/anatomy-of-a-turnover/#comment-318590 Just for laughs, the all star Lakers bloopers squad. At center, Kwame "Butterfingers" Brown also known as bursitis At power forward, Brian "towel in your face" Cook At small forward, "Snowboard man" At shooting guard, Sasha "practice shot" Vujacic And, finally making a special appearance at point guard, Smush "pick and roll?" Parker Just for laughs, the all star Lakers bloopers squad.

At center, Kwame “Butterfingers” Brown also known as bursitis
At power forward, Brian “towel in your face” Cook
At small forward, “Snowboard man”
At shooting guard, Sasha “practice shot” Vujacic
And, finally making a special appearance at point guard, Smush “pick and roll?” Parker

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