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	<title>Comments on: Game Preview &amp; Chat: The Chicago Bulls</title>
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		<title>By: Rob L.</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/18/game-preview-chat-the-chicago-bulls/comment-page-2/#comment-326778</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kobe&#039;s last two games haven&#039;t been spectacular, but also not as bad as people think.  If one looks at his ORtg, instead of just his shooting %, it tells a much different story.

Vs Pistons:  111.68 ORtg using 19.15% of Lakers possessions.  38.89% EFG, 47.03% TS

Vs Bulls:  91.59 ORtg using 21.14% of Lakers possessions.  37.5% EFG, 47.17 % TS

I&#039;ll grant you that the Bulls game numbers are merely good, not great.  But Kobe had a great game against the Pistons offensively.  Yes this is due in part to all those assists, as his EFG and TS were nearly identical in those games.  

Also, a 47% TS is low for Kobe, but it does help show that he&#039;s been more valuable offensively than it might seem at a glance.  Shooting 47% is a world away from shooting 36%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kobe&#8217;s last two games haven&#8217;t been spectacular, but also not as bad as people think.  If one looks at his ORtg, instead of just his shooting %, it tells a much different story.</p>
<p>Vs Pistons:  111.68 ORtg using 19.15% of Lakers possessions.  38.89% EFG, 47.03% TS</p>
<p>Vs Bulls:  91.59 ORtg using 21.14% of Lakers possessions.  37.5% EFG, 47.17 % TS</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll grant you that the Bulls game numbers are merely good, not great.  But Kobe had a great game against the Pistons offensively.  Yes this is due in part to all those assists, as his EFG and TS were nearly identical in those games.  </p>
<p>Also, a 47% TS is low for Kobe, but it does help show that he&#8217;s been more valuable offensively than it might seem at a glance.  Shooting 47% is a world away from shooting 36%.</p>
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		<title>By: 81 Witness</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/18/game-preview-chat-the-chicago-bulls/comment-page-2/#comment-326763</link>
		<dc:creator>81 Witness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Our 2nd unit seems to move much better, although they donâ€™t give Drew the ball enough, heâ€™s becoming a good passer, we need to use him as the spoke more often.&quot; - Kwame A.

Good point KA.  Though I love seeing the Lakers play the triangle also uses a 2 man game too. I.E. Passing the ball into a post-up man and the wing (usually a PG/SG) using the poster as a screen who dishes back to the wing for the easy layup. Walton, Evans, and Odom have the strength to run this as well as our centers. The PFs are the only ones who have trouble running this. Even Turiaf.  But they spread the floor and reduce the defenders proximity to the paint. 

I agree that Bynum needs to get more touches, but the Lakers cannot look at him every time. Farmar and Bynum have a good thing going. Both Summer Camps, Farmar was the only one who could successfully pass the ball in to Bynum and work the 2 man triangle game with him. 

That combo needs to share time on the floor as they work together well. I agree with the majority of the posters on this board that you cannot let them start. Especially one without the other!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Our 2nd unit seems to move much better, although they donâ€™t give Drew the ball enough, heâ€™s becoming a good passer, we need to use him as the spoke more often.&#8221; &#8211; Kwame A.</p>
<p>Good point KA.  Though I love seeing the Lakers play the triangle also uses a 2 man game too. I.E. Passing the ball into a post-up man and the wing (usually a PG/SG) using the poster as a screen who dishes back to the wing for the easy layup. Walton, Evans, and Odom have the strength to run this as well as our centers. The PFs are the only ones who have trouble running this. Even Turiaf.  But they spread the floor and reduce the defenders proximity to the paint. </p>
<p>I agree that Bynum needs to get more touches, but the Lakers cannot look at him every time. Farmar and Bynum have a good thing going. Both Summer Camps, Farmar was the only one who could successfully pass the ball in to Bynum and work the 2 man triangle game with him. </p>
<p>That combo needs to share time on the floor as they work together well. I agree with the majority of the posters on this board that you cannot let them start. Especially one without the other!</p>
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		<title>By: exhelodrvr</title>
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		<dc:creator>exhelodrvr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>64) 68)

I agree with Mike on this one. If Lamar had previously been consistent, I would not be concerned at this point. But he appears to be going back into the same pattern (if you can call inconsistency a &quot;pattern&quot;). That would be acceptable from the standpoint of what is needed to complement Kobe offensively,  if Bynum, Farmar, Turiaf, and Vlad continue to improve. But from the standpoint of what is needed out of that big a piece of the salary cap, it isn&#039;t enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>64) 68)</p>
<p>I agree with Mike on this one. If Lamar had previously been consistent, I would not be concerned at this point. But he appears to be going back into the same pattern (if you can call inconsistency a &#8220;pattern&#8221;). That would be acceptable from the standpoint of what is needed to complement Kobe offensively,  if Bynum, Farmar, Turiaf, and Vlad continue to improve. But from the standpoint of what is needed out of that big a piece of the salary cap, it isn&#8217;t enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Exick</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/18/game-preview-chat-the-chicago-bulls/comment-page-2/#comment-326743</link>
		<dc:creator>Exick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>64) On Lamar, he&#039;s still working his way back into the game. He&#039;s only played 5 games so far without the luxury of the pre-season. That said, I don&#039;t know why anyone would be disappointed in his performance last night. He &quot;only&quot; had 9 points and &quot;only&quot; had 6 boards, but the team wasn&#039;t really in need of his offense. He had a couple steals and a couple blocks and generally played well on defense. Much the same way I&#039;m not disappointed in Kobe for having his 2nd straight game being held under 20 because his scoring wasn&#039;t really needed and he did other things.

Meanwhile, Jermaine O&#039;Neal is also struggling coming back from an injury. He&#039;s shooting under 40%, is the 4th leading scorer on his team, and just put up 8 and 5 against the Jazz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>64) On Lamar, he&#8217;s still working his way back into the game. He&#8217;s only played 5 games so far without the luxury of the pre-season. That said, I don&#8217;t know why anyone would be disappointed in his performance last night. He &#8220;only&#8221; had 9 points and &#8220;only&#8221; had 6 boards, but the team wasn&#8217;t really in need of his offense. He had a couple steals and a couple blocks and generally played well on defense. Much the same way I&#8217;m not disappointed in Kobe for having his 2nd straight game being held under 20 because his scoring wasn&#8217;t really needed and he did other things.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, Jermaine O&#8217;Neal is also struggling coming back from an injury. He&#8217;s shooting under 40%, is the 4th leading scorer on his team, and just put up 8 and 5 against the Jazz.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>64.  R.B.O.U.S.es?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>64.  R.B.O.U.S.es?</p>
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		<title>By: Jed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>56, 58, 59, 61

Since our bench relies on being skilled basketball players rather than great athletes to be effective their nickname should be reflective of this.  I vote for roundballers of unusual skill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>56, 58, 59, 61</p>
<p>Since our bench relies on being skilled basketball players rather than great athletes to be effective their nickname should be reflective of this.  I vote for roundballers of unusual skill.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/18/game-preview-chat-the-chicago-bulls/comment-page-2/#comment-326697</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because Farmar and Bynum are playing so well we should reduce their minutes to keep them fresh for next season.  Plus the more we reduce their minutes the better they will play.  Why put too much emtional pressure on these guys by demanding that they &quot;provide a spark off the bench.&quot;  For crying out loud these are just kids.

In other words, we should limit Farmar and Bynum to 5 min/game to save them for the last 4 games of the playoffs (or better yet for next season).  As a bonus, they will be fresher for those entire 5 minutes, which will only enhance productivity per 48 minutes.  Also, imagine if we only put Farmar and Bynum in the game we the other team is resting its good players...that will to wonders for their + - stats.  I really see no downside to this strategy. 

To all those that think we should reward people that work hard and perform outstandingly by increasing their minutes, thereby reducing the minutes of those that are not as effective and making our team more effective, you know nothing about the nuances of basketball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because Farmar and Bynum are playing so well we should reduce their minutes to keep them fresh for next season.  Plus the more we reduce their minutes the better they will play.  Why put too much emtional pressure on these guys by demanding that they &#8220;provide a spark off the bench.&#8221;  For crying out loud these are just kids.</p>
<p>In other words, we should limit Farmar and Bynum to 5 min/game to save them for the last 4 games of the playoffs (or better yet for next season).  As a bonus, they will be fresher for those entire 5 minutes, which will only enhance productivity per 48 minutes.  Also, imagine if we only put Farmar and Bynum in the game we the other team is resting its good players&#8230;that will to wonders for their + &#8211; stats.  I really see no downside to this strategy. </p>
<p>To all those that think we should reward people that work hard and perform outstandingly by increasing their minutes, thereby reducing the minutes of those that are not as effective and making our team more effective, you know nothing about the nuances of basketball.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike in the Mountain West</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike in the Mountain West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that we should avoid breaking up the second unit for now, although I would be very surprised if Jackson starts Mihm in Brown&#039;s place instead of Bynum, however, I think if Farmar continues to play this well and Fisher plays closer to his career level, Farmar should eventually get the start. Maybe after the all-star break. 

My guess is, since Fisher is such a stand-up guy and a real leader, he will eventually voluntarily relenquish the starting spot to Farmar once Farmar has proved himself consistently.

I also have to say I&#039;m a little disappointed in Lamar.  I hope he&#039;s just rusty and not in game shape yet, instead of going back to his inconsistent ways. If he does seem to be going back to his incosistent performance mode we should really considering packaging him with Kwame&#039;s expiring contract for a true veteran all-star e.g. Jermaine, Marion, Kidd, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that we should avoid breaking up the second unit for now, although I would be very surprised if Jackson starts Mihm in Brown&#8217;s place instead of Bynum, however, I think if Farmar continues to play this well and Fisher plays closer to his career level, Farmar should eventually get the start. Maybe after the all-star break. </p>
<p>My guess is, since Fisher is such a stand-up guy and a real leader, he will eventually voluntarily relenquish the starting spot to Farmar once Farmar has proved himself consistently.</p>
<p>I also have to say I&#8217;m a little disappointed in Lamar.  I hope he&#8217;s just rusty and not in game shape yet, instead of going back to his inconsistent ways. If he does seem to be going back to his incosistent performance mode we should really considering packaging him with Kwame&#8217;s expiring contract for a true veteran all-star e.g. Jermaine, Marion, Kidd, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Gr8dunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gr8dunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kwame Out Three Games (at least)
Source: Los Angeles Times


The Lakers would have been in a more celebratory mood if Kwame Brown hadn&#039;t been helped off the court in the first quarter after sustaining moderate sprains in his left knee and left ankle. X-rays were negative, and he will miss at least three games.

Brown will not go on the Lakers&#039; three-game road trip that begins Tuesday in Indianapolis and concludes with games against Milwaukee and Boston. The ankle in question is the same one on which he had reconstructive surgery in May, although Brown said the knee felt worse than the ankle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kwame Out Three Games (at least)<br />
Source: Los Angeles Times</p>
<p>The Lakers would have been in a more celebratory mood if Kwame Brown hadn&#8217;t been helped off the court in the first quarter after sustaining moderate sprains in his left knee and left ankle. X-rays were negative, and he will miss at least three games.</p>
<p>Brown will not go on the Lakers&#8217; three-game road trip that begins Tuesday in Indianapolis and concludes with games against Milwaukee and Boston. The ankle in question is the same one on which he had reconstructive surgery in May, although Brown said the knee felt worse than the ankle.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the Dodgers won the chanpionship that year with that amazing group off the bench, and they were called &quot;the Stunt men&quot;. I thought they had the right about of publicity, good chemistry, etc, and I do believe they seriously made the difference as to why they won the penent that year.
I&#039;m not suggesting they use the same name, but I do agree, that this second unit needs to continue to &#039;gel&#039;, get a rep in the league as a unit who really brings it every night, not to be taken lightly, this second unit could be for this years Lakers what the stunt men were for the Dodgers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the Dodgers won the chanpionship that year with that amazing group off the bench, and they were called &#8220;the Stunt men&#8221;. I thought they had the right about of publicity, good chemistry, etc, and I do believe they seriously made the difference as to why they won the penent that year.<br />
I&#8217;m not suggesting they use the same name, but I do agree, that this second unit needs to continue to &#8216;gel&#8217;, get a rep in the league as a unit who really brings it every night, not to be taken lightly, this second unit could be for this years Lakers what the stunt men were for the Dodgers.</p>
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