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	<title>Comments on: Game Preview &amp; Chat: The Utah Jazz</title>
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		<title>By: exhelodrvr</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/30/game-preview-chat-the-utah-jazz-2/comment-page-2/#comment-342673</link>
		<dc:creator>exhelodrvr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 01:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Lakers don&#039;t have a consistent #3 scorer at this point, let alone a consistent #2 scorer. Bynum or Fisher could possibly fill that role; however, Fisher is not likely to keep playing at this level (he has never shot above 44%), and can&#039;t create his own shot. Bynum is still too inconsistent to be depended on for that role.

The number of points is not the only issue when it comes to what is needed from an offense. You can&#039;t afford to go extended lengths of time without scoring, which has been a Laker problem in recent years. And turnovers and missed shots make it much easier for the opponent&#039;s offense, and much harder for the Lakers defense to get set up. So having a consistent offense factors into much more than just the number of points that a team scores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Lakers don&#8217;t have a consistent #3 scorer at this point, let alone a consistent #2 scorer. Bynum or Fisher could possibly fill that role; however, Fisher is not likely to keep playing at this level (he has never shot above 44%), and can&#8217;t create his own shot. Bynum is still too inconsistent to be depended on for that role.</p>
<p>The number of points is not the only issue when it comes to what is needed from an offense. You can&#8217;t afford to go extended lengths of time without scoring, which has been a Laker problem in recent years. And turnovers and missed shots make it much easier for the opponent&#8217;s offense, and much harder for the Lakers defense to get set up. So having a consistent offense factors into much more than just the number of points that a team scores.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Banducci</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/30/game-preview-chat-the-utah-jazz-2/comment-page-2/#comment-342497</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Banducci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>88. I agree.

90. The Lakers don&#039;t need a consistent #2 guy to be an elite team b/c they already score plenty of points.  Also, if it&#039;s a game winning shot that we need, then either Kobe or Fish can deliver.  What the Lakers need right now is to play better and more consistent defense.  Who was the Spurs #2 scorer in 2002-2003?  Who was the Pistons&#039; #2 scorer in 2003-2004?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>88. I agree.</p>
<p>90. The Lakers don&#8217;t need a consistent #2 guy to be an elite team b/c they already score plenty of points.  Also, if it&#8217;s a game winning shot that we need, then either Kobe or Fish can deliver.  What the Lakers need right now is to play better and more consistent defense.  Who was the Spurs #2 scorer in 2002-2003?  Who was the Pistons&#8217; #2 scorer in 2003-2004?</p>
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		<title>By: muddywood</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/30/game-preview-chat-the-utah-jazz-2/comment-page-2/#comment-342476</link>
		<dc:creator>muddywood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 21:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to be an elite team, you need a consistent #2 guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to be an elite team, you need a consistent #2 guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Banducci</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/30/game-preview-chat-the-utah-jazz-2/comment-page-2/#comment-342465</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Banducci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 21:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>87. I agree that Lamar is a better player in the role of a facilitator than he is in the role being a primary or secondary scoring threat.  Therefore, our second scoring option needs to be Bynum (and possibly Farmar). Also, even if Bynum can&#039;t play enough minutes to be our second option, we don&#039;t really need a defined second scorer on this team as long as we get double digits from a number of players every night, which is very possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>87. I agree that Lamar is a better player in the role of a facilitator than he is in the role being a primary or secondary scoring threat.  Therefore, our second scoring option needs to be Bynum (and possibly Farmar). Also, even if Bynum can&#8217;t play enough minutes to be our second option, we don&#8217;t really need a defined second scorer on this team as long as we get double digits from a number of players every night, which is very possible.</p>
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		<title>By: drrayeye</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/30/game-preview-chat-the-utah-jazz-2/comment-page-2/#comment-342441</link>
		<dc:creator>drrayeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 21:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derek (85),

I&#039;d never say never on trades, but we need to focus on the opportunity he provides as a player right now.  

If Lamar is used at the right position at the right time, he is a mismatch headache for the opposition.

Here&#039;s my way of expressing what we all know:

He can bring the ball up court, drive to the basket, and/or draw up and shoot the short jumper.   He can drive the baseline and/or post up.  He can rebound and immediately lead a break in the other direction.  He is great as a trapping, pressing defender.  

He is not a very good defender or offensive player in a set offense/defense at any position.  He is not an effective or consistent 3 point shooter.  His passing is most effective when he improvises.    

Lamar needs a challenge--and a belief that he makes a difference in answering that challenge.  He recognizes the challenge he has been given, but doesn&#039;t have the tools to meet the current challenge as a 3.  He may or may not develop them as the season progresses.  I don&#039;t thin we can afford to wait.

I believe that he must be spotted to very specific scenarios to rebuild his confidence.  I don&#039;t believe that he will thrive either as a starter or with the 2nd unit (or be an attractive trade candidate) until he has a chance to prove his worth.

I&#039;d treat Lamar as a slowly recovering injured player rather than a recovered starter--needing spot assignments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek (85),</p>
<p>I&#8217;d never say never on trades, but we need to focus on the opportunity he provides as a player right now.  </p>
<p>If Lamar is used at the right position at the right time, he is a mismatch headache for the opposition.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my way of expressing what we all know:</p>
<p>He can bring the ball up court, drive to the basket, and/or draw up and shoot the short jumper.   He can drive the baseline and/or post up.  He can rebound and immediately lead a break in the other direction.  He is great as a trapping, pressing defender.  </p>
<p>He is not a very good defender or offensive player in a set offense/defense at any position.  He is not an effective or consistent 3 point shooter.  His passing is most effective when he improvises.    </p>
<p>Lamar needs a challenge&#8211;and a belief that he makes a difference in answering that challenge.  He recognizes the challenge he has been given, but doesn&#8217;t have the tools to meet the current challenge as a 3.  He may or may not develop them as the season progresses.  I don&#8217;t thin we can afford to wait.</p>
<p>I believe that he must be spotted to very specific scenarios to rebuild his confidence.  I don&#8217;t believe that he will thrive either as a starter or with the 2nd unit (or be an attractive trade candidate) until he has a chance to prove his worth.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d treat Lamar as a slowly recovering injured player rather than a recovered starter&#8211;needing spot assignments.</p>
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		<title>By: Muddywood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muddywood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not saying trade him (but it would be nice if we could for a consistent 18pt #2 scorer)  I&#039;m just saying that expecting him to be a #2 scorer is crazy.  He is inconsistent.  He ALWAYS has been.   He&#039;s a 6&#039;10&quot; point guard.  Thats what he is.  He&#039;s happiest with the ball in his hands and creating for others.  Yes, he can drive the lane and score. Yes, he can post up and score.  He can hit the occasional 3.  But that&#039;s not his comfort zone.  He wants to get the rebound and run and make a pass for a score.  That&#039;s who he is.   To expect anything else is crazy.  
 
I&#039;m guilty of being crazy.  I see all that &quot;potential&quot; and want him to all of a sudden be that #2 scorer with a killer instinct and do it every night.   But it&#039;s just NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.  

I&#039;ve lumped Lamar in with Luke, Vlad, Rony....the guys that will get you some points on any given night.

The Lakers would be better off devising plays for Farmar and Bynum.  Either of them has a better chance to be that #2 guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not saying trade him (but it would be nice if we could for a consistent 18pt #2 scorer)  I&#8217;m just saying that expecting him to be a #2 scorer is crazy.  He is inconsistent.  He ALWAYS has been.   He&#8217;s a 6&#8217;10&#8243; point guard.  Thats what he is.  He&#8217;s happiest with the ball in his hands and creating for others.  Yes, he can drive the lane and score. Yes, he can post up and score.  He can hit the occasional 3.  But that&#8217;s not his comfort zone.  He wants to get the rebound and run and make a pass for a score.  That&#8217;s who he is.   To expect anything else is crazy.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m guilty of being crazy.  I see all that &#8220;potential&#8221; and want him to all of a sudden be that #2 scorer with a killer instinct and do it every night.   But it&#8217;s just NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve lumped Lamar in with Luke, Vlad, Rony&#8230;.the guys that will get you some points on any given night.</p>
<p>The Lakers would be better off devising plays for Farmar and Bynum.  Either of them has a better chance to be that #2 guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Lamar Odom</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/30/game-preview-chat-the-utah-jazz-2/comment-page-2/#comment-342414</link>
		<dc:creator>Lamar Odom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i can&#039;t believe not having kwame has hurt the lakers so bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i can&#8217;t believe not having kwame has hurt the lakers so bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Banducci</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/11/30/game-preview-chat-the-utah-jazz-2/comment-page-2/#comment-342331</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Banducci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 19:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lamar Odom was good for nearly a triple double and always a double double last year before his injury.  Now, coming off injury and being asked to play a new position he is struggling.  Is that really a surprise?

I understand the need to get frustrated with somebody, anybody, when the Lakers are not playing at an elite level.  Last year the whipping boy was Smush Parker.  Earlier this year the whipping boy was Brian Cook.  Now that those two are gone, the new whipping boy is Lamar Odom.

Look, Lamar needs to improve his level of play.  No doubt.  But he&#039;s not going to be traded and he&#039;s not a bad player.   So all this talk about who we should trade him for is just plain silly.  Odom is not going to be traded and he&#039;s not a bad player, so get over it!  

Now, if people want to talk about whether he is a more natural PF or SF or how he should be utilized, that&#039;s an intelligent conversation.  But pretending that this guy is garbage and should be traded is wrong and pointless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lamar Odom was good for nearly a triple double and always a double double last year before his injury.  Now, coming off injury and being asked to play a new position he is struggling.  Is that really a surprise?</p>
<p>I understand the need to get frustrated with somebody, anybody, when the Lakers are not playing at an elite level.  Last year the whipping boy was Smush Parker.  Earlier this year the whipping boy was Brian Cook.  Now that those two are gone, the new whipping boy is Lamar Odom.</p>
<p>Look, Lamar needs to improve his level of play.  No doubt.  But he&#8217;s not going to be traded and he&#8217;s not a bad player.   So all this talk about who we should trade him for is just plain silly.  Odom is not going to be traded and he&#8217;s not a bad player, so get over it!  </p>
<p>Now, if people want to talk about whether he is a more natural PF or SF or how he should be utilized, that&#8217;s an intelligent conversation.  But pretending that this guy is garbage and should be traded is wrong and pointless.</p>
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		<title>By: anoni</title>
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		<dc:creator>anoni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Kwame A&#039;s right. Lamar isn&#039;t versatile. He&#039;s a tweener.

But what makes you think the Wiz would trade Jamison for Odom? Jamison&#039;s having quite the season, Odom is injured, and he&#039;s not going to ask for as much money as Odom... 

It&#039;s a good idea, but I don&#039;t think the Wizards would budge for anything less than Odom and one of our point guards (and not Sasha...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Kwame A&#8217;s right. Lamar isn&#8217;t versatile. He&#8217;s a tweener.</p>
<p>But what makes you think the Wiz would trade Jamison for Odom? Jamison&#8217;s having quite the season, Odom is injured, and he&#8217;s not going to ask for as much money as Odom&#8230; </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a good idea, but I don&#8217;t think the Wizards would budge for anything less than Odom and one of our point guards (and not Sasha&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Misareaux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Misareaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 17:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Lamar has the physical ability to play at any position but not the right mentality to execute at a high level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Lamar has the physical ability to play at any position but not the right mentality to execute at a high level.</p>
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