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		<title>By: Mike in the Mountain West</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/12/10/winning-is-golden/comment-page-1/#comment-354800</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike in the Mountain West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ultimately, like Harold says, no one really knows what, if any, the catalyst was for Bynum&#039;s seemingly improved work ethic.

I&#039;ll say just one more thing about this topic. It&#039;s very possible Bynum wasn&#039;t working as hard as he his now, not because he was lazy or didn&#039;t have drive, but didn&#039;t realize the extremely high level of effort required. And his crash at the end of last year is what taught him, no one else, just learning from his experience. In support of that I&#039;ll just remind of you two really great moments of the Bynum of yore. First, that great move and dunk on Shaq followed by some aggressive elbowing on the other end. That shows some chutzpah! As a 18 year old with no accomplishments to date, to basically say to one of the best players your team has ever had that won the team three championships, this is my house now. I mean, wow! Second incident was when Bynum called for the ball from Sasha and after Sasha didn&#039;te give it to him  he berated him. Both those incidents I think show Bynum has always had a certain amount of fire and drive. Maybe it just took a while for him to realize that it had to apply to his off-court preparation as well.

Alright, I&#039;m done with this topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ultimately, like Harold says, no one really knows what, if any, the catalyst was for Bynum&#8217;s seemingly improved work ethic.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll say just one more thing about this topic. It&#8217;s very possible Bynum wasn&#8217;t working as hard as he his now, not because he was lazy or didn&#8217;t have drive, but didn&#8217;t realize the extremely high level of effort required. And his crash at the end of last year is what taught him, no one else, just learning from his experience. In support of that I&#8217;ll just remind of you two really great moments of the Bynum of yore. First, that great move and dunk on Shaq followed by some aggressive elbowing on the other end. That shows some chutzpah! As a 18 year old with no accomplishments to date, to basically say to one of the best players your team has ever had that won the team three championships, this is my house now. I mean, wow! Second incident was when Bynum called for the ball from Sasha and after Sasha didn&#8217;te give it to him  he berated him. Both those incidents I think show Bynum has always had a certain amount of fire and drive. Maybe it just took a while for him to realize that it had to apply to his off-court preparation as well.</p>
<p>Alright, I&#8217;m done with this topic.</p>
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		<title>By: harold</title>
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		<dc:creator>harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig, yeah, it can&#039;t be the only/dominant reason, but I think it&#039;s reasonable to think that it did in fact contribute.  How much, I don&#039;t think even Bynum could answer that.

Anyway, easy to give meanings to otherwise insignificant things when your team is playing well.  I could even claim that the injuries to Kwame and Luke did our team service in the long run as it could have jumpstarted Bynum and Trevor.

Interpolations and wild intepretations aside, I&#039;m glad things worked out the way they did.  This team looks immeasurably more promising than it did during the summer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, yeah, it can&#8217;t be the only/dominant reason, but I think it&#8217;s reasonable to think that it did in fact contribute.  How much, I don&#8217;t think even Bynum could answer that.</p>
<p>Anyway, easy to give meanings to otherwise insignificant things when your team is playing well.  I could even claim that the injuries to Kwame and Luke did our team service in the long run as it could have jumpstarted Bynum and Trevor.</p>
<p>Interpolations and wild intepretations aside, I&#8217;m glad things worked out the way they did.  This team looks immeasurably more promising than it did during the summer.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig W.</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/12/10/winning-is-golden/comment-page-1/#comment-354263</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>harold,
It is just a probable that Andrew was tired of hearing the gripe, maturing into a man, and wanted to establish his own identity in the NBA. I mean, if he wasn&#039;t motivated before, I doubt Kobe would have made that big a change. As Mike said, it was probably one more arrow in the quiver, but I seriously doubt it was the only/dominant one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>harold,<br />
It is just a probable that Andrew was tired of hearing the gripe, maturing into a man, and wanted to establish his own identity in the NBA. I mean, if he wasn&#8217;t motivated before, I doubt Kobe would have made that big a change. As Mike said, it was probably one more arrow in the quiver, but I seriously doubt it was the only/dominant one.</p>
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		<title>By: harold</title>
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		<dc:creator>harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, I&#039;m sure Bynum worked hard, but the word on the street was that he still lacked fire and drive.  We always hear how MJ used to conjure up rivalries and slights to push him over the top - such motivational &#039;gimmicks&#039; are necessary for many of us - and Kobe&#039;s comments probably served as the motivation Bynum lacked.  

We all hear about players playing with a chip on their shoulder, about players having something to prove against their former coach/team/fans, and it&#039;s not hard to imagine that those things are indeed helpful.  

I&#039;m not saying that Kobe had all of this in mind, nor that Kobe is responsible for Bynum&#039;s growth - I&#039;m only saying that Bynum probably (and thankfully) used it as fuel and worked on getting better.  All credit is due to Andrew for using what was given, not to Kobe for inadverdantly providing motivation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I&#8217;m sure Bynum worked hard, but the word on the street was that he still lacked fire and drive.  We always hear how MJ used to conjure up rivalries and slights to push him over the top &#8211; such motivational &#8216;gimmicks&#8217; are necessary for many of us &#8211; and Kobe&#8217;s comments probably served as the motivation Bynum lacked.  </p>
<p>We all hear about players playing with a chip on their shoulder, about players having something to prove against their former coach/team/fans, and it&#8217;s not hard to imagine that those things are indeed helpful.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that Kobe had all of this in mind, nor that Kobe is responsible for Bynum&#8217;s growth &#8211; I&#8217;m only saying that Bynum probably (and thankfully) used it as fuel and worked on getting better.  All credit is due to Andrew for using what was given, not to Kobe for inadverdantly providing motivation.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike in the Mountain West</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike in the Mountain West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you think we should give Bynum at least a little bit of credit for his own improvement this year? Much like God,  just because we want to see Kobe&#039;s omnipotent influence every where we look (at least as it relates to the lakers) doesn&#039;t make it so. 

Bynum started his regiment long before Kobe&#039;s inadvertant reality show moment and he heard criticism from a multitude of people, maybe you&#039;ve heard of some them, little people like Phil Jackson and Kareem Abdul Jabbar. 

Sure, it&#039;s possible that Kobe&#039;s comments put a fire under his ass, wait strike, it was probably more like a warm lightbulb, in any case, it probably gave him a little more motivation but does anyone really think there would be a noticable difference in his performance if Kobegate hadn&#039;t happened? I mean, c&#039;mon, seriously?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you think we should give Bynum at least a little bit of credit for his own improvement this year? Much like God,  just because we want to see Kobe&#8217;s omnipotent influence every where we look (at least as it relates to the lakers) doesn&#8217;t make it so. </p>
<p>Bynum started his regiment long before Kobe&#8217;s inadvertant reality show moment and he heard criticism from a multitude of people, maybe you&#8217;ve heard of some them, little people like Phil Jackson and Kareem Abdul Jabbar. </p>
<p>Sure, it&#8217;s possible that Kobe&#8217;s comments put a fire under his ass, wait strike, it was probably more like a warm lightbulb, in any case, it probably gave him a little more motivation but does anyone really think there would be a noticable difference in his performance if Kobegate hadn&#8217;t happened? I mean, c&#8217;mon, seriously?</p>
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		<title>By: Crai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is that we are never going to hear any apologies from Kobe. If they happen(ed) they would be private and to the players involved. 

It was noted that Andrew had only played basketball for 5yrs (2+ in the NBA). Might that - and his age - not account for his &quot;slower than we wished for&quot; development? 

The news nerds are still saying occasional things about Kobe&#039;s trade request. Doesn&#039;t that give any of you a clue that most of these people haven&#039;t any idea what they are talking about?

This is a good team developing. This is a fun year. Still - I don&#039;t really expect any championship in June.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is that we are never going to hear any apologies from Kobe. If they happen(ed) they would be private and to the players involved. </p>
<p>It was noted that Andrew had only played basketball for 5yrs (2+ in the NBA). Might that &#8211; and his age &#8211; not account for his &#8220;slower than we wished for&#8221; development? </p>
<p>The news nerds are still saying occasional things about Kobe&#8217;s trade request. Doesn&#8217;t that give any of you a clue that most of these people haven&#8217;t any idea what they are talking about?</p>
<p>This is a good team developing. This is a fun year. Still &#8211; I don&#8217;t really expect any championship in June.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t doubt that Kobe&#039;s comments helped to motivate Bynum, but I would be very surprised if that&#039;s what Kobe was thinking when he made them to a couple random dudes in a parking lot with a camera. Furthermore, the point is that if the Lakers are successful it is a double-edged sword for Kobe because his trade rhetoric went way beyond &quot;motivation&quot; and into the realm of trashing. He wanted out because he saw no potential for improvement. If the team improves significantly, I hope he isn&#039;t too petty to appreciate it... and apologize to all those he disrespected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t doubt that Kobe&#8217;s comments helped to motivate Bynum, but I would be very surprised if that&#8217;s what Kobe was thinking when he made them to a couple random dudes in a parking lot with a camera. Furthermore, the point is that if the Lakers are successful it is a double-edged sword for Kobe because his trade rhetoric went way beyond &#8220;motivation&#8221; and into the realm of trashing. He wanted out because he saw no potential for improvement. If the team improves significantly, I hope he isn&#8217;t too petty to appreciate it&#8230; and apologize to all those he disrespected.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to Lakers.com.  good read.

http://my.lakers.com/blogs/2007/12/10/lakers-quarterly-report-1st-quarter/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to Lakers.com.  good read.</p>
<p><a href="http://my.lakers.com/blogs/2007/12/10/lakers-quarterly-report-1st-quarter/" rel="nofollow">http://my.lakers.com/blogs/2007/12/10/lakers-quarterly-report-1st-quarter/</a></p>
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		<title>By: fanerman</title>
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		<dc:creator>fanerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also,
Shaq&#039;s PER = 21.04
Bynum&#039;s PER = 20.58</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also,<br />
Shaq&#8217;s PER = 21.04<br />
Bynum&#8217;s PER = 20.58</p>
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		<title>By: Brian P.</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2007/12/10/winning-is-golden/comment-page-1/#comment-354033</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the same PER note Lamar Odom has a career low 11.59</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the same PER note Lamar Odom has a career low 11.59</p>
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