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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 17:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New post up, talking a little Lakers.</description>
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		<title>By: Warren Wee Lim</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/05/12/talking-points/comment-page-2/#comment-569601</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren Wee Lim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 16:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it ok to be speculative on the Knicks?

Well its the Knicks and MDA&#039;s uptempo small ball will be a very welcome change. They will soon realize that there is indeed a basketball God and that paying this man 6m per will put fans in the seats (although not wins yet with the current makeup).

If you go around trade boards, you&#039;d find out that the Knicks are the most famous trade partners. Everyone, me included wants a shot at GM-ing the Knicks to supposedly make that franchise relevant again.

If its anywhere illegal, may I?...

The Knicks would be running from the get-go. This is MDA&#039;s assurance and it will bring an exciting brand of basketball to the country&#039;s financial capital. This, however will not happen with Zach Randolph and Eddy Curry.

So the Knicks might be better considering trading ZBo for KMart. Kenyon Martin runs the floor very well and has somehow recovered well from this microfracture surgery. Both have identical ugly contracts with some 46m left in 3 seasons after this one. Denver was rumored to be interested in ZBo and they could not wait to get their hands off KMart&#039;s albatross contract. The Knicks save an almost insignificant amount but the benefit they get is the more mobile and uptempo PF they will have in KMart.

Eddy Curry is another question mark. Rather than make him rot on the bench (some claim he is best fitted for an uptempo team that does not require him to rebound), I think giving him to Riley works with a Blount + Daequan Cook deal. Blount&#039;s contract has a year less and would fit very well to their 2010-get-LeBron cap space plan. In contrast, if Miami ends up with the #1 pick and does this deal, they&#039;d have a lineup of: Rose, Wade, Marion, Haslem and Curry. Ain&#039;t too shabby.

Finally, the Knicks need to be lucky in the draft. They are pegged to be picking 5th - with the odds stating they have a 7.6% chance at landing that #1. This is about a percent higher than what Portland had last year. While many will like Mike Beasley for their #1 pick, the Knicks sorely need a guy like Derrick Rose. How fitting would it be to have a new GM, new coach and a new franchise player all in one off-season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it ok to be speculative on the Knicks?</p>
<p>Well its the Knicks and MDA&#8217;s uptempo small ball will be a very welcome change. They will soon realize that there is indeed a basketball God and that paying this man 6m per will put fans in the seats (although not wins yet with the current makeup).</p>
<p>If you go around trade boards, you&#8217;d find out that the Knicks are the most famous trade partners. Everyone, me included wants a shot at GM-ing the Knicks to supposedly make that franchise relevant again.</p>
<p>If its anywhere illegal, may I?&#8230;</p>
<p>The Knicks would be running from the get-go. This is MDA&#8217;s assurance and it will bring an exciting brand of basketball to the country&#8217;s financial capital. This, however will not happen with Zach Randolph and Eddy Curry.</p>
<p>So the Knicks might be better considering trading ZBo for KMart. Kenyon Martin runs the floor very well and has somehow recovered well from this microfracture surgery. Both have identical ugly contracts with some 46m left in 3 seasons after this one. Denver was rumored to be interested in ZBo and they could not wait to get their hands off KMart&#8217;s albatross contract. The Knicks save an almost insignificant amount but the benefit they get is the more mobile and uptempo PF they will have in KMart.</p>
<p>Eddy Curry is another question mark. Rather than make him rot on the bench (some claim he is best fitted for an uptempo team that does not require him to rebound), I think giving him to Riley works with a Blount + Daequan Cook deal. Blount&#8217;s contract has a year less and would fit very well to their 2010-get-LeBron cap space plan. In contrast, if Miami ends up with the #1 pick and does this deal, they&#8217;d have a lineup of: Rose, Wade, Marion, Haslem and Curry. Ain&#8217;t too shabby.</p>
<p>Finally, the Knicks need to be lucky in the draft. They are pegged to be picking 5th &#8211; with the odds stating they have a 7.6% chance at landing that #1. This is about a percent higher than what Portland had last year. While many will like Mike Beasley for their #1 pick, the Knicks sorely need a guy like Derrick Rose. How fitting would it be to have a new GM, new coach and a new franchise player all in one off-season.</p>
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		<title>By: The Fanalyst</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Fanalyst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 16:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and look at the New York Giants Super Bowl run. They won almost all their away games during the regular season (with a mediocre home record) and then swept through the playoffs completely on the road. All the while, at least most of the time, the NYC media establishment was ripping them mercilessly. I&#039;m no Giants fan, just thought I would follow AAK above with my own two cents. Go Lakers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and look at the New York Giants Super Bowl run. They won almost all their away games during the regular season (with a mediocre home record) and then swept through the playoffs completely on the road. All the while, at least most of the time, the NYC media establishment was ripping them mercilessly. I&#8217;m no Giants fan, just thought I would follow AAK above with my own two cents. Go Lakers!</p>
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		<title>By: harold</title>
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		<dc:creator>harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 16:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>problem with the NCAA is that it&#039;s not about going to school.  it&#039;s about promoting the school, and so the one year rule is actually for the league, both leagues, not the players. 

so i think the system needs to change so that it&#039;s actually worthwhile for athletes to attend college.  get them some income.  Teach them about proper methods of self-diagnosis and remedies for injuries or things that may become injuries.  Teach them about contracts and the system so they&#039;re not abused.  Give them classes in coaching, so that some may return to junior/high schools to coach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>problem with the NCAA is that it&#8217;s not about going to school.  it&#8217;s about promoting the school, and so the one year rule is actually for the league, both leagues, not the players. </p>
<p>so i think the system needs to change so that it&#8217;s actually worthwhile for athletes to attend college.  get them some income.  Teach them about proper methods of self-diagnosis and remedies for injuries or things that may become injuries.  Teach them about contracts and the system so they&#8217;re not abused.  Give them classes in coaching, so that some may return to junior/high schools to coach.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Aaron Katz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan Aaron Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 15:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There seems to be a rule on the street if someone insults your mother you are obligated to throw all sanity out the window and physically attack the person. The logic is ridiculous, but anyone with any street life experience knows that you have no choice. Similarly there is a rule that you have to protect your home turf. You don&#039;t have a choice, it&#039;s a statement of your manhood. You are expected to triumph. This expectation results in a strange confidence that encourages athletes to play even above themselves. That&#039;s why rookies have the largest disparities between home and road. Now I have seen this blow up in certain situations, the Lakers and the Montreal Canadiens can be like that. Where the pressure of the home court advantage, knowledgeable fans and intense media presence can reverse the situation and make road games somehow feel like huge weights off their backs. But generally and it seems in these playoffs the demand on one&#039;s manhood to protect home turf results in underdogs coming back after whippings to dig deep inside in the absolute knowledge that they must persevere. The alternative would be being tied down to a chair and be forced to listen to yo Mama jokes about yo Mama and that is too much to bear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seems to be a rule on the street if someone insults your mother you are obligated to throw all sanity out the window and physically attack the person. The logic is ridiculous, but anyone with any street life experience knows that you have no choice. Similarly there is a rule that you have to protect your home turf. You don&#8217;t have a choice, it&#8217;s a statement of your manhood. You are expected to triumph. This expectation results in a strange confidence that encourages athletes to play even above themselves. That&#8217;s why rookies have the largest disparities between home and road. Now I have seen this blow up in certain situations, the Lakers and the Montreal Canadiens can be like that. Where the pressure of the home court advantage, knowledgeable fans and intense media presence can reverse the situation and make road games somehow feel like huge weights off their backs. But generally and it seems in these playoffs the demand on one&#8217;s manhood to protect home turf results in underdogs coming back after whippings to dig deep inside in the absolute knowledge that they must persevere. The alternative would be being tied down to a chair and be forced to listen to yo Mama jokes about yo Mama and that is too much to bear.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/05/12/talking-points/comment-page-2/#comment-569594</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 15:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>51. No, I meant Wilson Chandler, one of the young guards on the team (out of DePaul). Only played like 15-18 a game most nights and was not terribly impressive in the current Knicks offense, except when  Nate Robinson and Lee were in the game and the tempo picked up, then he looked more comfortable. New Yorkers complained that the kids never got a fair shake, I&#039;m curious what happens under the new regime.

50. Here&#039;s the thing I really want to know about Mayo: How different is his case from Derick Rose? Beasely? Love? Bayless? Eric Gordon? Not to unfairly tar any of those guys with the same brush, but I think what happened to Mayo is more common than not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>51. No, I meant Wilson Chandler, one of the young guards on the team (out of DePaul). Only played like 15-18 a game most nights and was not terribly impressive in the current Knicks offense, except when  Nate Robinson and Lee were in the game and the tempo picked up, then he looked more comfortable. New Yorkers complained that the kids never got a fair shake, I&#8217;m curious what happens under the new regime.</p>
<p>50. Here&#8217;s the thing I really want to know about Mayo: How different is his case from Derick Rose? Beasely? Love? Bayless? Eric Gordon? Not to unfairly tar any of those guys with the same brush, but I think what happened to Mayo is more common than not.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig W.</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/05/12/talking-points/comment-page-2/#comment-569593</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 15:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The O.J. Mayo and ESP N thing. I hear everyone just assuming all the allegations are true and following up with discussing who is at fault -- the kid, the coach, the school, the NBA. 

First: we haven&#039;t seen the evidence; we are making assumptions based on our opinion that this is continually going on. Then we we make extrapolations based on our like/dislike of the school. Finally we blame the NBA because we don&#039;t like their rule of not letting players just out of high school into the league. I am going to respond to the last point, because this is an NBA blog.

The NBA has a right to make rules regarding eligibility requirements to get into the draft process. These are employment regulations that any employer can make, as long as one group of people are not favored over another (don&#039;t bring age into this because it doesn&#039;t fly). This has nothing to do with the NCAA or the individual kids involved. While we can argue whether or not this is a good business decision, we shouldn&#039;t fall into the trap of saying the kid has a &#039;right&#039; to be drafted - that&#039;s bunk. 

As to how the NBA should be looking out for the NCAA or the individual people, that is also not the NBA&#039;s responsibility - unless you want to view the NCAA as an official minor league. 

Just because us fans want something, doesn&#039;t make what we want either right, just, or legal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The O.J. Mayo and ESP N thing. I hear everyone just assuming all the allegations are true and following up with discussing who is at fault &#8212; the kid, the coach, the school, the NBA. </p>
<p>First: we haven&#8217;t seen the evidence; we are making assumptions based on our opinion that this is continually going on. Then we we make extrapolations based on our like/dislike of the school. Finally we blame the NBA because we don&#8217;t like their rule of not letting players just out of high school into the league. I am going to respond to the last point, because this is an NBA blog.</p>
<p>The NBA has a right to make rules regarding eligibility requirements to get into the draft process. These are employment regulations that any employer can make, as long as one group of people are not favored over another (don&#8217;t bring age into this because it doesn&#8217;t fly). This has nothing to do with the NCAA or the individual kids involved. While we can argue whether or not this is a good business decision, we shouldn&#8217;t fall into the trap of saying the kid has a &#8216;right&#8217; to be drafted &#8211; that&#8217;s bunk. </p>
<p>As to how the NBA should be looking out for the NCAA or the individual people, that is also not the NBA&#8217;s responsibility &#8211; unless you want to view the NCAA as an official minor league. </p>
<p>Just because us fans want something, doesn&#8217;t make what we want either right, just, or legal.</p>
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		<title>By: tonex</title>
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		<dc:creator>tonex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 14:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

Maybe you meant Lee and Curry (not Chandler)?</description>
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<p>Maybe you meant Lee and Curry (not Chandler)?</p>
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		<title>By: Melvin Mason, Jr.</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/05/12/talking-points/comment-page-1/#comment-569591</link>
		<dc:creator>Melvin Mason, Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 09:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The OJ Mayo situation is nothing new, but it is new on the level of in-depth reporting done on this particular case.

When I heard about OJ Mayo allegedly receiving &quot;gifts&quot; from some sports agency in return of becoming his representation  in the NBA, I first thought that OJ was the bad guy. I began to think and realized that if I was in his shoes I probably would have done similiar things. Especially if I did not put any importance on going to college and get a degree, but just wanted to jump to the Pros.

He knows and others do, at least up to now, that he is a gifted basketball player. He was never going to go to college for 2-3 years to mature as a player. He wanted to go straight to the NBA. Everybody, including USC, knew that.

The blame should go to his parent(s) who, I am just assuming, allowed these &quot;leeches&quot;  to hook onto him in middle school.

The NBA and David Stern is at fault for the one-year of college rule that prevents young players from becoming eligible for the draft. The &quot;one year&quot; rule only helped perpetuate the &quot;one and done&quot; scenario of some college players. Maybe if it was a &quot;two or three year&quot; rule like in the NFL, then it would have been better because then the players at least would have to go to class.

Also, the NCAA and this &quot;student-athlete&quot; system is at fault. The NCAA should not be the minor league for the NBA, even though it seems to be. If the NBA really wanted to make changes, then they should setup Basketball Academies like in other countries where the players learn how to play basketball with the help of professional coaches and players.

One solution is to have the colleges offer a Sports Degree program where your sport is your degree program. This would keep the spirit of the &quot;Student-athlete&quot; while at the same time the players would not be taking courses like Communication and Ethnic Studies which they don&#039;t plan on ever using.

Does anyone think with OJ Mayo and Reggie Bush that USC is about to fall like UNLV did back in the 1990s?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The OJ Mayo situation is nothing new, but it is new on the level of in-depth reporting done on this particular case.</p>
<p>When I heard about OJ Mayo allegedly receiving &#8220;gifts&#8221; from some sports agency in return of becoming his representation  in the NBA, I first thought that OJ was the bad guy. I began to think and realized that if I was in his shoes I probably would have done similiar things. Especially if I did not put any importance on going to college and get a degree, but just wanted to jump to the Pros.</p>
<p>He knows and others do, at least up to now, that he is a gifted basketball player. He was never going to go to college for 2-3 years to mature as a player. He wanted to go straight to the NBA. Everybody, including USC, knew that.</p>
<p>The blame should go to his parent(s) who, I am just assuming, allowed these &#8220;leeches&#8221;  to hook onto him in middle school.</p>
<p>The NBA and David Stern is at fault for the one-year of college rule that prevents young players from becoming eligible for the draft. The &#8220;one year&#8221; rule only helped perpetuate the &#8220;one and done&#8221; scenario of some college players. Maybe if it was a &#8220;two or three year&#8221; rule like in the NFL, then it would have been better because then the players at least would have to go to class.</p>
<p>Also, the NCAA and this &#8220;student-athlete&#8221; system is at fault. The NCAA should not be the minor league for the NBA, even though it seems to be. If the NBA really wanted to make changes, then they should setup Basketball Academies like in other countries where the players learn how to play basketball with the help of professional coaches and players.</p>
<p>One solution is to have the colleges offer a Sports Degree program where your sport is your degree program. This would keep the spirit of the &#8220;Student-athlete&#8221; while at the same time the players would not be taking courses like Communication and Ethnic Studies which they don&#8217;t plan on ever using.</p>
<p>Does anyone think with OJ Mayo and Reggie Bush that USC is about to fall like UNLV did back in the 1990s?</p>
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		<title>By: Wenzel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wenzel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 09:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>39 i&#039;m with you on this - the self fulfilling prophecy, but not only for the home team but also for the away team, the refs and the crowd. It is recognized as a given that the home team wins so there are less questions asked afterwards, the game went as it was to supposed to. And then - to put a little conspiracy theory into the mix - i think that the nba is eager to see the home teams win to strengthen the importance of the regular season so that winning 60+ suddenly doesn&#039;t mean anything like it was with Dallas last year</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>39 i&#8217;m with you on this &#8211; the self fulfilling prophecy, but not only for the home team but also for the away team, the refs and the crowd. It is recognized as a given that the home team wins so there are less questions asked afterwards, the game went as it was to supposed to. And then &#8211; to put a little conspiracy theory into the mix &#8211; i think that the nba is eager to see the home teams win to strengthen the importance of the regular season so that winning 60+ suddenly doesn&#8217;t mean anything like it was with Dallas last year</p>
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