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		<title>By: TC</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/06/10/lakersceltics-game-3-chat/comment-page-7/#comment-573993</link>
		<dc:creator>TC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To piggyback on what The Dude and Harold said, if the fix was in, it sure wasn&#039;t just the Lakers who were affected by it.  I thought watching Game 5 that the Kings were the beneficiaries of some ridiculous calls.  If the refereeing was fixed, it&#039;s not the Lakers&#039; fault.  It&#039;s the refs who are in cahoots with some sort of organized ring.  But the fix was certainly in on Game 5 also.  No one seems to remember that the league determined that half of the refs were involved in gambling but Stern said (unsurprisingly tersely) that none of the further gambling was serious (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3079309).  So I wouldn&#039;t be at all surprised if Donaghy was just the tip of a very dirty iceberg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To piggyback on what The Dude and Harold said, if the fix was in, it sure wasn&#8217;t just the Lakers who were affected by it.  I thought watching Game 5 that the Kings were the beneficiaries of some ridiculous calls.  If the refereeing was fixed, it&#8217;s not the Lakers&#8217; fault.  It&#8217;s the refs who are in cahoots with some sort of organized ring.  But the fix was certainly in on Game 5 also.  No one seems to remember that the league determined that half of the refs were involved in gambling but Stern said (unsurprisingly tersely) that none of the further gambling was serious (<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3079309)" rel="nofollow">http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3079309)</a>.  So I wouldn&#8217;t be at all surprised if Donaghy was just the tip of a very dirty iceberg.</p>
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		<title>By: robinred</title>
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		<dc:creator>robinred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Not a Kings or Celtics fan, I’m a Sonics fan and more importantly a basketball fan. Who can’t believe the audacity of Laker fans crying about refs.&quot;

Take it elsewhere. Even if we assume you are right and Donaghy is telling the truth, and he may well be, I am sure there are many games/series that were shaded in this manner. Miami/Dallas in 2006 comes to mind, for example, and given how Jordan-centric the league was in the 1990s, many Bulls games/series. And of course ALL teams have fans that complain about the refs. It is a fan trait that varies from fan to fan. Further, there is no coherent logic in saying, &quot;The 2002 WCF was fixed, so you should never say anything about the refs again.&quot;  It is just an emotional response on your part. Indeed, if you are concerned about the integrity of the game and think the refs are dirty, you should applaud Phil Jackson and Bill Bridges et al here for focusing on them. I personally thought Doc Rivers showed some class by not blaming the refs after Game 3, but if the refs are dirty, maybe Doc is just an NBA company stooge. 

I saw Games 6 and 7 of the 2002 WCF and like most Laker fans, remember them vividly. The last 8 FTs in the 4th qtr of Game 6, as said, were after intentional fouls. There were some suspicious calls., and I do not blame Kings fans for being angry. That said, the Kings simply choked at the line in Game 7, particularly Webber, going 16/30 at the line in their homecourt, and that, as much as anything, cost them the NBA title that year. 

So, Donaghy may well be telling the truth. But if he is, it is a league issue, not a Laker issue, and singling out Laker fans is simply your own bias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Not a Kings or Celtics fan, I’m a Sonics fan and more importantly a basketball fan. Who can’t believe the audacity of Laker fans crying about refs.&#8221;</p>
<p>Take it elsewhere. Even if we assume you are right and Donaghy is telling the truth, and he may well be, I am sure there are many games/series that were shaded in this manner. Miami/Dallas in 2006 comes to mind, for example, and given how Jordan-centric the league was in the 1990s, many Bulls games/series. And of course ALL teams have fans that complain about the refs. It is a fan trait that varies from fan to fan. Further, there is no coherent logic in saying, &#8220;The 2002 WCF was fixed, so you should never say anything about the refs again.&#8221;  It is just an emotional response on your part. Indeed, if you are concerned about the integrity of the game and think the refs are dirty, you should applaud Phil Jackson and Bill Bridges et al here for focusing on them. I personally thought Doc Rivers showed some class by not blaming the refs after Game 3, but if the refs are dirty, maybe Doc is just an NBA company stooge. </p>
<p>I saw Games 6 and 7 of the 2002 WCF and like most Laker fans, remember them vividly. The last 8 FTs in the 4th qtr of Game 6, as said, were after intentional fouls. There were some suspicious calls., and I do not blame Kings fans for being angry. That said, the Kings simply choked at the line in Game 7, particularly Webber, going 16/30 at the line in their homecourt, and that, as much as anything, cost them the NBA title that year. </p>
<p>So, Donaghy may well be telling the truth. But if he is, it is a league issue, not a Laker issue, and singling out Laker fans is simply your own bias.</p>
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		<title>By: Laker Pauer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laker Pauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, even if the &#039;02 series was fixed, it doesn&#039;t make it better to have officials plaster the Lakers. That just compounds the problem. I&#039;m pretty convinced that game 2 was a fix. Every fan of the NBA should be pissed about that. Hate the Lakers all you want, but the integrity of the entire league has to come before any one team. 

Not to mention that the Lakers aren&#039;t responsible for a LEAGUE conspiracy. I doubt anyone on the Lakers would have wanted preferential treatment, because of precisely what you are doing in this thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, even if the &#8216;02 series was fixed, it doesn&#8217;t make it better to have officials plaster the Lakers. That just compounds the problem. I&#8217;m pretty convinced that game 2 was a fix. Every fan of the NBA should be pissed about that. Hate the Lakers all you want, but the integrity of the entire league has to come before any one team. </p>
<p>Not to mention that the Lakers aren&#8217;t responsible for a LEAGUE conspiracy. I doubt anyone on the Lakers would have wanted preferential treatment, because of precisely what you are doing in this thread.</p>
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		<title>By: LJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m unable to load the new post. (As matter of fact the whole page doesn&#039;t load).</description>
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		<title>By: harold</title>
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		<dc:creator>harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, what part of the fixed games don&#039;t you understand?

They fixed the game to have it go to 7.

That means that they rigged both Laker wins AND losses.  You can&#039;t get to game 7 if the Lakers win in 4, can you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, what part of the fixed games don&#8217;t you understand?</p>
<p>They fixed the game to have it go to 7.</p>
<p>That means that they rigged both Laker wins AND losses.  You can&#8217;t get to game 7 if the Lakers win in 4, can you?</p>
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		<title>By: The Dude Abides</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dude Abides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, so you believe it was fixed by the league to go seven games?  Did the fixing start with Game 6?  Because after the Lakers won Game 1 in Sac even though Sac were the favorites, that was six consecutive playoff wins over the Kings.  The Kings were DONE.  Then, Kobe got sick before Game 2, the zebras got whistle happy, and suddenly the Kings had life.  For Game 5, the whistles again went the Kings way, especially the final 20 seconds.  Lakers up one, obvious ball out of bounds to the Lakers but refs say Kings ball.  Blatant moving pick on Webber to free up Bibby for the go-ahead jumper.  At the other end, Bobby Jackson pulls Kobe&#039;s jersey completely out of his shorts as he goes up and misses the game-winner.  

Yes, the whistles went against the Kings in the 4th quarter of Game 6.  Nineteen FTs for the Lakers to nine for the Kings, until the final minute when the Lakers shoot eight FTs on intentional fouls.  Some of those first nineteen were jokes, no doubt--especially the one where Bibby turned his back and ran away from Kobe and still got whistled for a foul.

So, if you want to say the fix was in, I say it began after Game 1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, so you believe it was fixed by the league to go seven games?  Did the fixing start with Game 6?  Because after the Lakers won Game 1 in Sac even though Sac were the favorites, that was six consecutive playoff wins over the Kings.  The Kings were DONE.  Then, Kobe got sick before Game 2, the zebras got whistle happy, and suddenly the Kings had life.  For Game 5, the whistles again went the Kings way, especially the final 20 seconds.  Lakers up one, obvious ball out of bounds to the Lakers but refs say Kings ball.  Blatant moving pick on Webber to free up Bibby for the go-ahead jumper.  At the other end, Bobby Jackson pulls Kobe&#8217;s jersey completely out of his shorts as he goes up and misses the game-winner.  </p>
<p>Yes, the whistles went against the Kings in the 4th quarter of Game 6.  Nineteen FTs for the Lakers to nine for the Kings, until the final minute when the Lakers shoot eight FTs on intentional fouls.  Some of those first nineteen were jokes, no doubt&#8211;especially the one where Bibby turned his back and ran away from Kobe and still got whistled for a foul.</p>
<p>So, if you want to say the fix was in, I say it began after Game 1.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a Kings or Celtics fan, I&#039;m a Sonics fan and more importantly a basketball fan.  Who can&#039;t believe the audacity of Laker fans crying about refs.  And I&#039;m sorry, but all those responses absolutely pale in comparison to the fact that the 02 series was FIXED.  There&#039;s really not a good comeback to that one, sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a Kings or Celtics fan, I&#8217;m a Sonics fan and more importantly a basketball fan.  Who can&#8217;t believe the audacity of Laker fans crying about refs.  And I&#8217;m sorry, but all those responses absolutely pale in comparison to the fact that the 02 series was FIXED.  There&#8217;s really not a good comeback to that one, sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: harold</title>
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		<dc:creator>harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>am i the only one not getting the new post to load properly?

can&#039;t see a thing on Game 3 thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>am i the only one not getting the new post to load properly?</p>
<p>can&#8217;t see a thing on Game 3 thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: alexlancaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>alexlancaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lakers did a good job tonight! energy outmatched that of boston&#039;s. probably mostly carried over from end of game 2.

i can live with ray allen scoring the most points for the celtics because he has to guard kobe on the other end so good luck with that.

i can live with Poe scoring the most points for the celtics as long as they dont come easy and they are not second chance points.  less shots for the &quot;big three&quot; means they won&#039;t be a factor.

KG has his hands full with gasol so hes not on help most of the time with anyone else.  ray allen/paul pierce are definitely not able to guard kobe.  

give &quot;the machine&quot;/rad more open threes and they will have to spread the D meaning more room in the paint for our big three meaning easier points/free throw attempts

paul pierce is a garbage player and always will be, guard him, make him work for points or even the ball and u see the results (game 3).  KG will be trying too much on defense.  ray allen is just another brent barry with less defense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lakers did a good job tonight! energy outmatched that of boston&#8217;s. probably mostly carried over from end of game 2.</p>
<p>i can live with ray allen scoring the most points for the celtics because he has to guard kobe on the other end so good luck with that.</p>
<p>i can live with Poe scoring the most points for the celtics as long as they dont come easy and they are not second chance points.  less shots for the &#8220;big three&#8221; means they won&#8217;t be a factor.</p>
<p>KG has his hands full with gasol so hes not on help most of the time with anyone else.  ray allen/paul pierce are definitely not able to guard kobe.  </p>
<p>give &#8220;the machine&#8221;/rad more open threes and they will have to spread the D meaning more room in the paint for our big three meaning easier points/free throw attempts</p>
<p>paul pierce is a garbage player and always will be, guard him, make him work for points or even the ball and u see the results (game 3).  KG will be trying too much on defense.  ray allen is just another brent barry with less defense.</p>
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		<title>By: aB</title>
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		<dc:creator>aB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 06:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude Abides,

You hit right on the head. The Lakers were robbed in Games 2 and 5 of the Sac 2002 series. The refs have the hardest job in any sport and they are bound to miss some, and call some that are questionable. I think the NBA really needs to look at having 1 more ref to control the game. I also think the &quot;Flopping&quot; fines will make a difference next year and return some integrity, honor, and respect for the game (at least I hope it does).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude Abides,</p>
<p>You hit right on the head. The Lakers were robbed in Games 2 and 5 of the Sac 2002 series. The refs have the hardest job in any sport and they are bound to miss some, and call some that are questionable. I think the NBA really needs to look at having 1 more ref to control the game. I also think the &#8220;Flopping&#8221; fines will make a difference next year and return some integrity, honor, and respect for the game (at least I hope it does).</p>
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