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		<title>By: Ethan</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/07/11/summer-league-starts/comment-page-2/#comment-577946</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/07/11/summer-league-starts/comment-page-2/#comment-577657</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Summer League and more post up</description>
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		<title>By: Troy</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/07/11/summer-league-starts/comment-page-2/#comment-577655</link>
		<dc:creator>Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As impressed as I was at Nik Caner-Medley, let&#039;s remember this is Summer League talent. 80-90 percent of these people will be playing in the D-League or overseas. Let&#039;s not get carried away with how people perform now.

Also, Karl&#039;s game was overrated last night. In the Karl vs. Crawford battle for 15th man on the Lakers, Karl may have looked better (16 pts to 9) but Crawford was 4-5 FG, Karl 4-13. Karl 0-5 3PA, Crawford 1-1. I will give Karl 8-8 FT, Crawford 0-0. However, most importantly, Karl 32 min, Crawford 12. I say that&#039;s a trust factor the coach has with Karl... he was his D-League coach. I&#039;d give the nod to Crawford right now for that battle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As impressed as I was at Nik Caner-Medley, let&#8217;s remember this is Summer League talent. 80-90 percent of these people will be playing in the D-League or overseas. Let&#8217;s not get carried away with how people perform now.</p>
<p>Also, Karl&#8217;s game was overrated last night. In the Karl vs. Crawford battle for 15th man on the Lakers, Karl may have looked better (16 pts to 9) but Crawford was 4-5 FG, Karl 4-13. Karl 0-5 3PA, Crawford 1-1. I will give Karl 8-8 FT, Crawford 0-0. However, most importantly, Karl 32 min, Crawford 12. I say that&#8217;s a trust factor the coach has with Karl&#8230; he was his D-League coach. I&#8217;d give the nod to Crawford right now for that battle.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mayo made a move on Karl early and blew past him to baseline for nice reverse lay-up. So Kobe K was bad on D,right? Only Kobe K was playing him as if he was expecting baseline help like he&#039;d been taught. Example of why Summer League can be misleading.
You can see talent and you can see heart,but how they&#039;d fit on an NBA team,that&#039;s guessing.
(BTW,Kobe K took Mayo personally and went after him,whereas Green for Mavs just coasted along,never showing any passion unless he was open and didn&#039;t get the ball. It&#039;s why Kobe K will be playing for the Lakers next yr and Gerald Green will be coming to a D-League team near you.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mayo made a move on Karl early and blew past him to baseline for nice reverse lay-up. So Kobe K was bad on D,right? Only Kobe K was playing him as if he was expecting baseline help like he&#8217;d been taught. Example of why Summer League can be misleading.<br />
You can see talent and you can see heart,but how they&#8217;d fit on an NBA team,that&#8217;s guessing.<br />
(BTW,Kobe K took Mayo personally and went after him,whereas Green for Mavs just coasted along,never showing any passion unless he was open and didn&#8217;t get the ball. It&#8217;s why Kobe K will be playing for the Lakers next yr and Gerald Green will be coming to a D-League team near you.)</p>
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		<title>By: wondahbap</title>
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		<dc:creator>wondahbap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coby is playing well, ans showing he belongs in the NBA.  

Seems like Billy Packer is out as color commentator on the Final Four.  About time! 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3485871

Now, when will ESPN/ABC get rid of Michael Wilbon, Jon Barry, and Stu Scott for their pre-game show.  They need to stick with Stephen A. &amp; Greg Anthony.  I&#039;m tired of Stu&#039;s schtick.  Maybe Mark Jones.  Boring but consistant.

Oh yeah, more on this artest issue.  Lakersnot budging.  They shouldn&#039;t.  They have the upper hand.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3485534</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coby is playing well, ans showing he belongs in the NBA.  </p>
<p>Seems like Billy Packer is out as color commentator on the Final Four.  About time! </p>
<p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3485871" rel="nofollow">http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3485871</a></p>
<p>Now, when will ESPN/ABC get rid of Michael Wilbon, Jon Barry, and Stu Scott for their pre-game show.  They need to stick with Stephen A. &amp; Greg Anthony.  I&#8217;m tired of Stu&#8217;s schtick.  Maybe Mark Jones.  Boring but consistant.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, more on this artest issue.  Lakersnot budging.  They shouldn&#8217;t.  They have the upper hand.</p>
<p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3485534" rel="nofollow">http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3485534</a></p>
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		<title>By: the other Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>the other Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SON OF GEORRRRGEE.  BLOCK YA, OJ MAYO.  BLOCK YA.</description>
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		<title>By: drrayeye</title>
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		<dc:creator>drrayeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(76) The Dude Abides,

I agree with your analysis of the value of Sasha to the Lakers last season (when he earned $1.7 million).  Definitely good value to the Lakers that justified the long development.

However. . . . . .

You&#039;re confusing Sasha&#039;s value to you (or some Laker fans) with his &quot;market value.&quot;  Sasha is being tested on the market right now.  So far, the only money offered to Sasha is a $2.7 million qualifying offer by the Lakers.  The fact that Sasha&#039;s agent didn&#039;t plan on talking to Mitch for a week suggests that no written offer is immediately forthcoming.  

Judging from the signings we have seen so far in the NBA at the 2 (Barry, Pietrus, Mason) it seems that your subjective contract evaluation for Sasha is noticeably 
higher than the market value.

That should make you think.

Sasha might sign for $4 million up to $5.8 million and a 5 year deal--but I doubt it.  My guess:  3 years at $9 million-$10 million.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(76) The Dude Abides,</p>
<p>I agree with your analysis of the value of Sasha to the Lakers last season (when he earned $1.7 million).  Definitely good value to the Lakers that justified the long development.</p>
<p>However. . . . . .</p>
<p>You&#8217;re confusing Sasha&#8217;s value to you (or some Laker fans) with his &#8220;market value.&#8221;  Sasha is being tested on the market right now.  So far, the only money offered to Sasha is a $2.7 million qualifying offer by the Lakers.  The fact that Sasha&#8217;s agent didn&#8217;t plan on talking to Mitch for a week suggests that no written offer is immediately forthcoming.  </p>
<p>Judging from the signings we have seen so far in the NBA at the 2 (Barry, Pietrus, Mason) it seems that your subjective contract evaluation for Sasha is noticeably<br />
higher than the market value.</p>
<p>That should make you think.</p>
<p>Sasha might sign for $4 million up to $5.8 million and a 5 year deal&#8211;but I doubt it.  My guess:  3 years at $9 million-$10 million.</p>
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		<title>By: The Dude Abides</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dude Abides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Ray, Sasha is far more valuable to the team than Luke, who makes ~$4m/yr.  There aren&#039;t a whole lot of players in the league who want to take the last shot of the game.  It&#039;s good to have a guy like that on your team (who also shoots better than 40% from beyond the arc).  Not only that, but his defense and offense have improved each of the last two seasons.  He&#039;s also intensely competitive and a hard worker.  So yes, I do believe he&#039;s worth 4-6 mill per year.  He&#039;s also four or five years younger than Mo Evans, who was routinely subbed out for Bogans in the 4th quarters of games this season for defensive purposes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Ray, Sasha is far more valuable to the team than Luke, who makes ~$4m/yr.  There aren&#8217;t a whole lot of players in the league who want to take the last shot of the game.  It&#8217;s good to have a guy like that on your team (who also shoots better than 40% from beyond the arc).  Not only that, but his defense and offense have improved each of the last two seasons.  He&#8217;s also intensely competitive and a hard worker.  So yes, I do believe he&#8217;s worth 4-6 mill per year.  He&#8217;s also four or five years younger than Mo Evans, who was routinely subbed out for Bogans in the 4th quarters of games this season for defensive purposes.</p>
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		<title>By: Peanut Butter Spread</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peanut Butter Spread</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 06:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I brought up all the Blazers talk and making predictions for next year, I probably should explain myself better.

As a Lakers fan, I love seeing the Lakers win. But I&#039;m also realistic. I for one, still want to see Lamar/Pau/Bynum work their thing before any drastic changes happens (like trading LO for Artest). I believed that the Lakers had a phenomenal year last year and it sucked that we couldn&#039;t win two more games, but the Celtics weren&#039;t missing a key player and we were and I knew we weren&#039;t going to defeat them. That&#039;s the truth. With Drew back, it would have made a lot of difference.

That being said, the Lakers, with our &quot;current/similar&quot; lineup, will be one of the top teams in the west, barring from any injuries.  However, honestly assessing other teams out in the West, I saw the Blazers *and the Rockets) as teams that gave the Lakers a lot of trouble - hopefully that will change for next year, but they&#039;re teams that we, as Laker fans, should probably be wary of. 

I have confidence that the Lakers should be able to defeat the top teams in the West from last year:  Spurs, Jazz, Phoenix, and even the Hornets - obviously we probably won&#039;t &quot;sweep&quot; any of them, that&#039;s just being too optimistic, but Houston, Dallas, and Portland might give us some trouble (and even Hornets, if our defense doesn&#039;t improve). I threw in Dallas just because we had like 3 games last season where we barely won against them and Dirk just threw 3s like they were butter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I brought up all the Blazers talk and making predictions for next year, I probably should explain myself better.</p>
<p>As a Lakers fan, I love seeing the Lakers win. But I&#8217;m also realistic. I for one, still want to see Lamar/Pau/Bynum work their thing before any drastic changes happens (like trading LO for Artest). I believed that the Lakers had a phenomenal year last year and it sucked that we couldn&#8217;t win two more games, but the Celtics weren&#8217;t missing a key player and we were and I knew we weren&#8217;t going to defeat them. That&#8217;s the truth. With Drew back, it would have made a lot of difference.</p>
<p>That being said, the Lakers, with our &#8220;current/similar&#8221; lineup, will be one of the top teams in the west, barring from any injuries.  However, honestly assessing other teams out in the West, I saw the Blazers *and the Rockets) as teams that gave the Lakers a lot of trouble &#8211; hopefully that will change for next year, but they&#8217;re teams that we, as Laker fans, should probably be wary of. </p>
<p>I have confidence that the Lakers should be able to defeat the top teams in the West from last year:  Spurs, Jazz, Phoenix, and even the Hornets &#8211; obviously we probably won&#8217;t &#8220;sweep&#8221; any of them, that&#8217;s just being too optimistic, but Houston, Dallas, and Portland might give us some trouble (and even Hornets, if our defense doesn&#8217;t improve). I threw in Dallas just because we had like 3 games last season where we barely won against them and Dirk just threw 3s like they were butter.</p>
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		<title>By: 81 Witness</title>
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		<dc:creator>81 Witness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 05:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tonight&#039;s game:

I really liked the play of Coby and Caner-Medley. Both players showed great hustle. Medley was also a force on the boards. Just what the Lakers need.</description>
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<p>I really liked the play of Coby and Caner-Medley. Both players showed great hustle. Medley was also a force on the boards. Just what the Lakers need.</p>
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