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		<title>By: Ethan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ethan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Yusuf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yusuf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WIth the current roster the Lakers have soo much flexibility with the rotation. I dont think they should make any trades until they see how it works out. We already know the guards/wing players mesh well together.  With Ariza and Bynum healthy we have a team with alot of potential. There&#039;s no reason to jump the gun at this moment and sell the team short before we get a good look on how they perform as a unit. I expect Farmar&#039;s development with the healthy return of Bynum and Ariza should put us over the top. 

We matchup  with the Celtics alot better then we think we do. Our lineup of Farmar/Fisher/Kobe pretty much negates Rondo/Allen/Pierce. With Ariza spending time on Pierce through the first three quarters using his fouls their guard/wing players shouldnt give us problems.

Our big men on the other hand are gonna be a problem. If Bynum comes in and performs the way we want him to we still would need Gasol to improve his mid range shooting. I didnt get the chance to see him play in his earlier years but from what I&#039;ve heard he was a much better midrange player in his first years but was forced to play Centre therefore focusing on solely his low post game. Re-capturing his midrange skills while Bynum continues to improve his back to the basket game would make it extremely difficult for any team to match up with us. 

With all that being said, I think pushing for Posey wouldnt be a huge mistake seeing how he&#039;s coveted by so many teams (which makes him easy to trade to a contender) and provides the 3pt shooting (albeit to a lesser extent) that radmanovic brings with the Defense Ariza adds. It would give us plenty of depth against Athletic wing players with Kobe/Ariza/Posey all being more then capable defenders.  Poseys worth cannot be weighed, he creates extra possessions with the little things.. Going for charges, Diving for looseballs and forcing players into bad decisions. 

Well thats my input anywayz, sorry for ranting on, Im leavin to Africa tonite and I wont be back until september.. Hopefully Odom is still on the team when I get back. 

GOOO LAKERS!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WIth the current roster the Lakers have soo much flexibility with the rotation. I dont think they should make any trades until they see how it works out. We already know the guards/wing players mesh well together.  With Ariza and Bynum healthy we have a team with alot of potential. There&#8217;s no reason to jump the gun at this moment and sell the team short before we get a good look on how they perform as a unit. I expect Farmar&#8217;s development with the healthy return of Bynum and Ariza should put us over the top. </p>
<p>We matchup  with the Celtics alot better then we think we do. Our lineup of Farmar/Fisher/Kobe pretty much negates Rondo/Allen/Pierce. With Ariza spending time on Pierce through the first three quarters using his fouls their guard/wing players shouldnt give us problems.</p>
<p>Our big men on the other hand are gonna be a problem. If Bynum comes in and performs the way we want him to we still would need Gasol to improve his mid range shooting. I didnt get the chance to see him play in his earlier years but from what I&#8217;ve heard he was a much better midrange player in his first years but was forced to play Centre therefore focusing on solely his low post game. Re-capturing his midrange skills while Bynum continues to improve his back to the basket game would make it extremely difficult for any team to match up with us. </p>
<p>With all that being said, I think pushing for Posey wouldnt be a huge mistake seeing how he&#8217;s coveted by so many teams (which makes him easy to trade to a contender) and provides the 3pt shooting (albeit to a lesser extent) that radmanovic brings with the Defense Ariza adds. It would give us plenty of depth against Athletic wing players with Kobe/Ariza/Posey all being more then capable defenders.  Poseys worth cannot be weighed, he creates extra possessions with the little things.. Going for charges, Diving for looseballs and forcing players into bad decisions. </p>
<p>Well thats my input anywayz, sorry for ranting on, Im leavin to Africa tonite and I wont be back until september.. Hopefully Odom is still on the team when I get back. </p>
<p>GOOO LAKERS!!!</p>
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		<title>By: drrayeye</title>
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		<dc:creator>drrayeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that we need to focus our discussion on the 08-09 Laker team.  Here are some strategic thoughts.

Through trading last year, the Lakers have, in effect, made decisions for this year that relate strongly to the roles of Andrew and Trevor.

Here&#039;s the dilemma.  The Lakers came close to a championship with Lamar, Pau, Vladimir, Derek, and Kobe, but the salary based transitioning strategy dictates Pau, Andrew, Trevor, Derek, and Kobe by next year, with Jordan for Derek the year after.

Of course, all these things can change.

Do we go with &quot;what brung us&quot; (at least another year), do we transition slowly, or do we go for the future right away?

Last season, we went with the future AND with &quot;what brung us&quot; (and mortgaged our future with Pau in the process) and, by golly, BOTH seemed to work!

Houston, we&#039;ve got a problem.

Whatever it was, we obviously want to bottle that chemistry from last year, age it, and meet/defeat the Leprechauns with our aged brew.  That is not exactly what will happen.  Considering our commitment to Andrew and hope for Trevor, our new brew for the coming season may be a little raw, but it will be strong and have plenty of hops.

Given all the contradictory elements leading to the Lakers 08-09, I think that the Lakers are likely to give us a mix of last year and the future.

It really all comes down to Andrew, doesn&#039;t it?

If it were me, knowing nothing about Andrew&#039;s health or readiness, I&#039;d go slow.  I&#039;d go back to the start of last year.  If we use that rule of thumb, we open with a version of &quot;what brung us&quot; and bring in Andrew with &quot;The bench mob.&quot;  

My only change with the starting unit from last year would be to alternate Vladimir with Trevor from game to game.  My &quot;bench crew&quot; would feature Andrew, Pau, Luke, Sasha, and Jordan--with Ronny (or Garby?) subbing in for Pau part way through.  

If Andrew appeared comfortable as part of the bench crew, I&#039;d consider starting him--switching Pau to forward and Lamar to the &quot;bench crew.&quot;

Given the complexities and uncertainties of bringing both Trevor and Andrew into the mix for 2008-2009, it would be best if the Lakers kept as many players as possible from the last few years together.  

If the Lakers feel that they have to trade for &quot;toughness,&quot; we&#039;re talking about a trade/signing before training camp or a last minute &quot;add a vet&quot; at the end of the season.  Mid season trades are not a Laker hallmark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that we need to focus our discussion on the 08-09 Laker team.  Here are some strategic thoughts.</p>
<p>Through trading last year, the Lakers have, in effect, made decisions for this year that relate strongly to the roles of Andrew and Trevor.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the dilemma.  The Lakers came close to a championship with Lamar, Pau, Vladimir, Derek, and Kobe, but the salary based transitioning strategy dictates Pau, Andrew, Trevor, Derek, and Kobe by next year, with Jordan for Derek the year after.</p>
<p>Of course, all these things can change.</p>
<p>Do we go with &#8220;what brung us&#8221; (at least another year), do we transition slowly, or do we go for the future right away?</p>
<p>Last season, we went with the future AND with &#8220;what brung us&#8221; (and mortgaged our future with Pau in the process) and, by golly, BOTH seemed to work!</p>
<p>Houston, we&#8217;ve got a problem.</p>
<p>Whatever it was, we obviously want to bottle that chemistry from last year, age it, and meet/defeat the Leprechauns with our aged brew.  That is not exactly what will happen.  Considering our commitment to Andrew and hope for Trevor, our new brew for the coming season may be a little raw, but it will be strong and have plenty of hops.</p>
<p>Given all the contradictory elements leading to the Lakers 08-09, I think that the Lakers are likely to give us a mix of last year and the future.</p>
<p>It really all comes down to Andrew, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>If it were me, knowing nothing about Andrew&#8217;s health or readiness, I&#8217;d go slow.  I&#8217;d go back to the start of last year.  If we use that rule of thumb, we open with a version of &#8220;what brung us&#8221; and bring in Andrew with &#8220;The bench mob.&#8221;  </p>
<p>My only change with the starting unit from last year would be to alternate Vladimir with Trevor from game to game.  My &#8220;bench crew&#8221; would feature Andrew, Pau, Luke, Sasha, and Jordan&#8211;with Ronny (or Garby?) subbing in for Pau part way through.  </p>
<p>If Andrew appeared comfortable as part of the bench crew, I&#8217;d consider starting him&#8211;switching Pau to forward and Lamar to the &#8220;bench crew.&#8221;</p>
<p>Given the complexities and uncertainties of bringing both Trevor and Andrew into the mix for 2008-2009, it would be best if the Lakers kept as many players as possible from the last few years together.  </p>
<p>If the Lakers feel that they have to trade for &#8220;toughness,&#8221; we&#8217;re talking about a trade/signing before training camp or a last minute &#8220;add a vet&#8221; at the end of the season.  Mid season trades are not a Laker hallmark.</p>
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		<title>By: Bergmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bergmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a soccer fan , i can state that i never see something stranger that the bynun injury. Soccer player hurts its knee time to time (see Ronaldo) but are able to return health. When Bynun got hurt, the team expects his return in two months. He didn&#039;t come back and there is doubts on his general healthy. I can support he getting paid for potential. So maybe sign him for a shorter time and amount and see how he recovers. Maybe we can solve the rebounding problem. Some one suggested that Kobe can spend some time in the SF position, specially in defense. I need a clear view of this: can he improve our rebounding hability, get some blocks and steals this way ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a soccer fan , i can state that i never see something stranger that the bynun injury. Soccer player hurts its knee time to time (see Ronaldo) but are able to return health. When Bynun got hurt, the team expects his return in two months. He didn&#8217;t come back and there is doubts on his general healthy. I can support he getting paid for potential. So maybe sign him for a shorter time and amount and see how he recovers. Maybe we can solve the rebounding problem. Some one suggested that Kobe can spend some time in the SF position, specially in defense. I need a clear view of this: can he improve our rebounding hability, get some blocks and steals this way ?</p>
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		<title>By: Craig W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wondahbap,
I think we have to remember just who the two teams were that made it all the way to the finals. We may not have been tough enough, but not by much. Remember we took a focused and experienced Boston team to 6 games. Let&#039;s not dump all over ourselves because we came up short in the finals. I bet SA wishes they had come up short in the finals. Our young team is getting better and is now finals experienced. Please, people, give us a chance.

Re Bynum&#039;s relationship to the FO...this is not an uncommon situation. With all our bellyaching about the Laker training staff - players read/hear these things too - it is not too suprising that Andrew would consult his own medical staff. If I were his parents, I would have recommended that. I really don&#039;t see Dr Buss making a &#039;Clipper&#039; mistake. I also don&#039;t expect Andrew&#039;s agent to say anything but that he wants a max contract. If he didn&#039;t do that he wouldn&#039;t be doing his job. The key in these situations is to not back your opponent into a corner and so far no one is in any corners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wondahbap,<br />
I think we have to remember just who the two teams were that made it all the way to the finals. We may not have been tough enough, but not by much. Remember we took a focused and experienced Boston team to 6 games. Let&#8217;s not dump all over ourselves because we came up short in the finals. I bet SA wishes they had come up short in the finals. Our young team is getting better and is now finals experienced. Please, people, give us a chance.</p>
<p>Re Bynum&#8217;s relationship to the FO&#8230;this is not an uncommon situation. With all our bellyaching about the Laker training staff &#8211; players read/hear these things too &#8211; it is not too suprising that Andrew would consult his own medical staff. If I were his parents, I would have recommended that. I really don&#8217;t see Dr Buss making a &#8216;Clipper&#8217; mistake. I also don&#8217;t expect Andrew&#8217;s agent to say anything but that he wants a max contract. If he didn&#8217;t do that he wouldn&#8217;t be doing his job. The key in these situations is to not back your opponent into a corner and so far no one is in any corners.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New post up from Bill Bridges on Ronny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New post up from Bill Bridges on Ronny.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To mention Brian P.&#039;s post, I am also concerned about the relationship between Team Bynum and the Lakers.  I remember reading somewhere that he underwent rehab for his knee injury in the absence of Laker trainers and coaches but rather under the supervision of a personal trainer.  Can anyone elaborate on this?  It seems kind of a major issue considering the knee did not heal properly, and if this really happened, I would be privately fuming if I were Mitch Kupchak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To mention Brian P.&#8217;s post, I am also concerned about the relationship between Team Bynum and the Lakers.  I remember reading somewhere that he underwent rehab for his knee injury in the absence of Laker trainers and coaches but rather under the supervision of a personal trainer.  Can anyone elaborate on this?  It seems kind of a major issue considering the knee did not heal properly, and if this really happened, I would be privately fuming if I were Mitch Kupchak.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got to agree with &quot;get battier&quot; the Odom trade talk is getting old and the Artest stuff has been rehashed a million times in the past 2 years.

I like the topic of Bynum.  I am nervous about his knee and to be honest his relationship with the organization.  It seems to be deteriorating as time goes.  Especially if his agent insists on a Max contract.

I hope everything turns out as well as it did last year and everything falls into place.

(We really need to be grateful for last year even though we lost, we had an amazing season)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got to agree with &#8220;get battier&#8221; the Odom trade talk is getting old and the Artest stuff has been rehashed a million times in the past 2 years.</p>
<p>I like the topic of Bynum.  I am nervous about his knee and to be honest his relationship with the organization.  It seems to be deteriorating as time goes.  Especially if his agent insists on a Max contract.</p>
<p>I hope everything turns out as well as it did last year and everything falls into place.</p>
<p>(We really need to be grateful for last year even though we lost, we had an amazing season)</p>
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		<title>By: wondahbap</title>
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		<dc:creator>wondahbap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>drrayeeye and Craig W....

Our problem is not at small forward.  Our problem was an overall lack of mental and physical toughness. If SF is our problem, then what a good problem to have.  We didn&#039;t lose the Finals because of our supposed small forward problem.  
If you want to look for a &quot;problem&quot; at a position, then you need to look at PF.  We have no backup right now, and might need a player who will not get moved or denied position.  We got killed on second chances and didn&#039;t get enough offensive rebounds, and neither of those things could be blamed on this supposed small forward problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>drrayeeye and Craig W&#8230;.</p>
<p>Our problem is not at small forward.  Our problem was an overall lack of mental and physical toughness. If SF is our problem, then what a good problem to have.  We didn&#8217;t lose the Finals because of our supposed small forward problem.<br />
If you want to look for a &#8220;problem&#8221; at a position, then you need to look at PF.  We have no backup right now, and might need a player who will not get moved or denied position.  We got killed on second chances and didn&#8217;t get enough offensive rebounds, and neither of those things could be blamed on this supposed small forward problem.</p>
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		<title>By: get battier</title>
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		<dc:creator>get battier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to change the topic a little.  We&#039;re not really going anywhere with the trade-talks.  I would like to ask people here:  how do you see Bynum playing next year?  Do you think he&#039;ll play all of the pre-season?  Do you think he&#039;ll start out pretty strong and get even better as the year goes on?  Do you see him a little scared to hurt his knee?  Do you see him a little timid on the boards and dunking because of fear of messing up his knee?  Do you see him averaging 15 and 10 or better?  Will he be the second option or will Gasol be?  And if Gasol is the second option, will Bynum become the second option towards the end of the season?  How do you think he&#039;ll play against Boston in the two regular season games? etc, etc, etc.  Your thoughts please, Laker nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to change the topic a little.  We&#8217;re not really going anywhere with the trade-talks.  I would like to ask people here:  how do you see Bynum playing next year?  Do you think he&#8217;ll play all of the pre-season?  Do you think he&#8217;ll start out pretty strong and get even better as the year goes on?  Do you see him a little scared to hurt his knee?  Do you see him a little timid on the boards and dunking because of fear of messing up his knee?  Do you see him averaging 15 and 10 or better?  Will he be the second option or will Gasol be?  And if Gasol is the second option, will Bynum become the second option towards the end of the season?  How do you think he&#8217;ll play against Boston in the two regular season games? etc, etc, etc.  Your thoughts please, Laker nation.</p>
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