Comments on: Lakers I Miss: Pat Riley http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/07/24/lakers-i-miss-pat-riley/ A Lakers Blog. Thoughts, reflections, and the odd rant on the Los Angeles Lakers and the NBA (even the Clippers). Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:02:42 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Melvin Mason http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/07/24/lakers-i-miss-pat-riley/comment-page-1/#comment-578448 Melvin Mason Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:02:35 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1304#comment-578448 Thanks Stephen and Kurt for your thoughts. I kind of changed my opinions on the subject of RFA after reading them. I agree that RFA is a good system to check the worth of borderline star players and if the player doesn't like his offer, he can sign for 1 year then become unrestricted. Kurt, the baseball analogy was perfect. The MLB system is, in my opinion, a disaster...unless your a Yankees fan. Thanks Stephen and Kurt for your thoughts. I kind of changed my opinions on the subject of RFA after reading them. I agree that RFA is a good system to check the worth of borderline star players and if the player doesn’t like his offer, he can sign for 1 year then become unrestricted. Kurt, the baseball analogy was perfect. The MLB system is, in my opinion, a disaster…unless your a Yankees fan.

]]> By: Kurt http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/07/24/lakers-i-miss-pat-riley/comment-page-1/#comment-578403 Kurt Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:11:50 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1304#comment-578403 Reed has a new, good think-piece post up on Sasha. Reed has a new, good think-piece post up on Sasha.

]]> By: drrayeye http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/07/24/lakers-i-miss-pat-riley/comment-page-1/#comment-578401 drrayeye Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:53:39 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1304#comment-578401 I didn't realize how much I was on the same page with Mitch. Three years at $4 million is at the high end for the Lakers, but is worth it to maintain the team chemistry. Sasha may already have forgotten how patiently the Lakers helped him develop. As this free agent period has gone on, new trading opportunities for the future have emerged. The Lakers need to make a Sasha decision ASAP so they can move ahead either way. I didn’t realize how much I was on the same page with Mitch. Three years at $4 million is at the high end for the Lakers, but is worth it to maintain the team chemistry. Sasha may already have forgotten how patiently the Lakers helped him develop.

As this free agent period has gone on, new trading opportunities for the future have emerged. The Lakers need to make a Sasha decision ASAP so they can move ahead either way.

]]> By: Darius http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/07/24/lakers-i-miss-pat-riley/comment-page-1/#comment-578398 Darius Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:11:43 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1304#comment-578398 wondahbap, The qualifying offer is the premise that gives the Lakers it's right to match other teams offers and ensures that they keep negotiating rights. The dollar amount of the offer can not be changed as it is set by the league as part of the Collective Barganing Agreement. If Sasha signs the qualifying offer he's ours for 1 season and next season he's an UFA, while he can obviously still sign a long term deal with us for whatever we want to sign him for (up to the maximum of course) because we own his Bird Rights. If he signs an offer-sheet from another team, the Lakers have the right to match based off the fact that they issued the qualifying offer. If Sasha signs with a European team (like Childress) the Lakers hold onto his rights as a RFA and if Sasah ever returns to the NBA they'd hold his rights upon his return and we can do this whole song and dance again with him and his agent because he'd still be a RFA. wondahbap,
The qualifying offer is the premise that gives the Lakers it’s right to match other teams offers and ensures that they keep negotiating rights. The dollar amount of the offer can not be changed as it is set by the league as part of the Collective Barganing Agreement.

If Sasha signs the qualifying offer he’s ours for 1 season and next season he’s an UFA, while he can obviously still sign a long term deal with us for whatever we want to sign him for (up to the maximum of course) because we own his Bird Rights. If he signs an offer-sheet from another team, the Lakers have the right to match based off the fact that they issued the qualifying offer. If Sasha signs with a European team (like Childress) the Lakers hold onto his rights as a RFA and if Sasah ever returns to the NBA they’d hold his rights upon his return and we can do this whole song and dance again with him and his agent because he’d still be a RFA.

]]> By: the other Stephen http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/07/24/lakers-i-miss-pat-riley/comment-page-1/#comment-578397 the other Stephen Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:52:48 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1304#comment-578397 sasha is trying to escape, guys. sasha is trying to escape, guys.

]]> By: wondahbap http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/07/24/lakers-i-miss-pat-riley/comment-page-1/#comment-578396 wondahbap Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:17:17 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1304#comment-578396 Question (I don't know if it's been asked).... If Sasha actually got an offer from a Euro team, do the Lakers have the option of revising their qualifying offer, or does it have to stay as it is? Question (I don’t know if it’s been asked)….

If Sasha actually got an offer from a Euro team, do the Lakers have the option of revising their qualifying offer, or does it have to stay as it is?

]]> By: phineas http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/07/24/lakers-i-miss-pat-riley/comment-page-1/#comment-578395 phineas Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:03:11 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1304#comment-578395 Come on Machine, take the $12 miliion! We really like you.... Come on Machine, take the $12 miliion! We really like you….

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/07/24/lakers-i-miss-pat-riley/comment-page-1/#comment-578394 Anonymous Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:35:44 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1304#comment-578394 The Lakers offered Sahsa a 3 year $12M contract. The Lakers offered Vujacic a three-year deal worth about $12 million, a salary that would pay him $4 million per season. Vujacic, 24, is seeking a deal that will pay him between $5 million and $6 million per season, similar to what Jason Kapono (four years, $24 million from Toronto), James Posey (four years, $25 million from New Orleans) and Mickael Pietrus (four years, $25.1 million from Orlando) got. "If there is a deal to be made, the deal will be made," Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak said in a phone interview. "If there is no deal to be made, there won't be a deal." http://www.pe.com/sports/breakout/stories/PE_Sports_Local_S_lakers_25.47b499d.html We will have to wait and see if that satisfies him. The Lakers offered Sahsa a 3 year $12M contract.

The Lakers offered Vujacic a three-year deal worth about $12 million, a salary that would pay him $4 million per season.

Vujacic, 24, is seeking a deal that will pay him between $5 million and $6 million per season, similar to what Jason Kapono (four years, $24 million from Toronto), James Posey (four years, $25 million from New Orleans) and Mickael Pietrus (four years, $25.1 million from Orlando) got.

“If there is a deal to be made, the deal will be made,” Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak said in a phone interview. “If there is no deal to be made, there won’t be a deal.”

http://www.pe.com/sports/breakout/stories/PE_Sports_Local_S_lakers_25.47b499d.html

We will have to wait and see if that satisfies him.

]]> By: drrayeye http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/07/24/lakers-i-miss-pat-riley/comment-page-1/#comment-578393 drrayeye Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:35:00 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1304#comment-578393 Kurt, I'd use Trevor Ariza as a marker. Trevor is earning $3.1 million this year. I'd have a hard time going much over that for Sasha. That's not enough to sign him, so I might go as high as $4 million just to keep the Laker chemistry alive, but I wouldn't like it. Above 4.0 million is excessive overpaying in my view. Since no NBA team would give Sasha an offer, I'd be leery of giving him a long offer at more than he's worth, so I'd stick to 3 years. One also needs to consider that Coby Karl and Sun Yue might come available within three years for that position. Kurt,

I’d use Trevor Ariza as a marker. Trevor is earning $3.1 million this year. I’d have a hard time going much over that for Sasha. That’s not enough to sign him, so I might go as high as $4 million just to keep the Laker chemistry alive, but I wouldn’t like it. Above 4.0 million is excessive overpaying in my view.

Since no NBA team would give Sasha an offer, I’d be leery of giving him a long offer at more than he’s worth, so I’d stick to 3 years. One also needs to consider that Coby Karl and Sun Yue might come available within three years for that position.

]]> By: Kurt http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/07/24/lakers-i-miss-pat-riley/comment-page-1/#comment-578392 Kurt Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:08:30 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1304#comment-578392 Elton Brown? Isn't he on the Food Network? Oh, wait, that's Alton..... Elton Brown? Isn’t he on the Food Network? Oh, wait, that’s Alton…..

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