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		<title>By: khandor</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/07/30/bynum%e2%80%99s-deal/comment-page-3/#comment-578900</link>
		<dc:creator>khandor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Luke.

Nowhere did I say the Lakers should:

i) Pay Bynum less than Bogut or Okafor are getting from their teams; or,

ii) Hold up their negotiations with Bynum.

Neither did I say anything about salaries which were paid by any team in a prior year.

Sorry, but, I have no idea where you got these notions from reading my message(s) in this thread. :-)

What I said was ...

The contracts signed by Bogut and Okafor (i.e. pertaining to this off-season) are not necessarily the &#039;Baseline Measure&#039; for what an effective Big Man SHOULD be paid in the current NBA marketplace.

As is ... mine was NOT a statement made to PROVE A POINT or SOLVE a problem, per se.

My statement was an observation which is pertinent to the Lakers/Bynum negotiations.

i.e. If Bynum&#039;s eventual salary/contract comes in at a dollar value which is MORE than Bogut/Okafor then someone could legitimately say that the deals Bogut &amp; Okafor have signed are the Baseline Measure, in comparison to Bynum&#039;s (and perhaps others); if Bynum&#039;s eventual salary/contract comes in at a dollar value which is LESS than Bogut/Okafor then someone could legitimately say that the deal Bynum will have signed is the Baseline Measure, in comparison to Bougt/Okafor (and perhaps others). It works both ways. Capeche? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Luke.</p>
<p>Nowhere did I say the Lakers should:</p>
<p>i) Pay Bynum less than Bogut or Okafor are getting from their teams; or,</p>
<p>ii) Hold up their negotiations with Bynum.</p>
<p>Neither did I say anything about salaries which were paid by any team in a prior year.</p>
<p>Sorry, but, I have no idea where you got these notions from reading my message(s) in this thread. <img src='http://www.forumblueandgold.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>What I said was &#8230;</p>
<p>The contracts signed by Bogut and Okafor (i.e. pertaining to this off-season) are not necessarily the &#8216;Baseline Measure&#8217; for what an effective Big Man SHOULD be paid in the current NBA marketplace.</p>
<p>As is &#8230; mine was NOT a statement made to PROVE A POINT or SOLVE a problem, per se.</p>
<p>My statement was an observation which is pertinent to the Lakers/Bynum negotiations.</p>
<p>i.e. If Bynum&#8217;s eventual salary/contract comes in at a dollar value which is MORE than Bogut/Okafor then someone could legitimately say that the deals Bogut &amp; Okafor have signed are the Baseline Measure, in comparison to Bynum&#8217;s (and perhaps others); if Bynum&#8217;s eventual salary/contract comes in at a dollar value which is LESS than Bogut/Okafor then someone could legitimately say that the deal Bynum will have signed is the Baseline Measure, in comparison to Bougt/Okafor (and perhaps others). It works both ways. Capeche? <img src='http://www.forumblueandgold.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/07/30/bynum%e2%80%99s-deal/comment-page-3/#comment-578868</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 01:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Khandor, while I can agree with you that the recents deals for Emeka and Andrew B. aren&#039;t neccessarily the floor price for skilled bigs you&#039;re argument proves nothing nor does it solve anything!  If Emeka and Andrew B. both sign for 12 mil per year deals in the same year who cares what the other bigs signed for in years past!  This is the new market price as set by the deal signed THIS YEAR.  I hope you don&#039;t expect Bynum&#039;s agent to sign for less since his client hasn&#039;t played a full season because everyone around the league knows what Bynum&#039;s true value is and you better believe they would be willing to give him the max as soon as he becomes a restricted free agent.  The Lakers know this as well so to prolong negotiations is pointless to me.  See how he holds up in preseason and pay him his money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Khandor, while I can agree with you that the recents deals for Emeka and Andrew B. aren&#8217;t neccessarily the floor price for skilled bigs you&#8217;re argument proves nothing nor does it solve anything!  If Emeka and Andrew B. both sign for 12 mil per year deals in the same year who cares what the other bigs signed for in years past!  This is the new market price as set by the deal signed THIS YEAR.  I hope you don&#8217;t expect Bynum&#8217;s agent to sign for less since his client hasn&#8217;t played a full season because everyone around the league knows what Bynum&#8217;s true value is and you better believe they would be willing to give him the max as soon as he becomes a restricted free agent.  The Lakers know this as well so to prolong negotiations is pointless to me.  See how he holds up in preseason and pay him his money.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New post finally up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New post finally up</p>
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		<title>By: chris h</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say Tracktor Traylor will be the replacement for Ronnie, and the big body to muscle on Kendrick Perkins. just got to keep him healthy for a full season, but with the depth of this team, they should be able to keep him fresh and in &quot;game shape&quot;
plus he&#039;ll be available for the vet minimum, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say Tracktor Traylor will be the replacement for Ronnie, and the big body to muscle on Kendrick Perkins. just got to keep him healthy for a full season, but with the depth of this team, they should be able to keep him fresh and in &#8220;game shape&#8221;<br />
plus he&#8217;ll be available for the vet minimum, right?</p>
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		<title>By: khandor</title>
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		<dc:creator>khandor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With no major injuries and a roster of Kobe, Lamar, Gasol, Bynum (healthy), Fisher, Ariza (healthy), Vujacic, Radmanovic, Walton, Farmar, TURIAF, Mihm, Karl, Mbenga, Newble, plus Phil jackson, as the head coach ... the Lakers were my pick to win 70+ games this coming season AND the 2008-2009 NBA championship. 

At this point, however (during the off-season), after making the decision not to re-sign Ronny Turiaf (a significant loss, IMO, at least from a chemistry standpoint, if nothing else), it is still a wait-and-see proposition, as to what the Lakers&#039; actual/final line-up is going to look like come the fall.

Not signing Artest was a terrific move by Mitch K. &amp; Co.

Who they pick-up to replace Turiaf, if they choose to go that route (or not), will be a critical factor in deciding their fate come June/2009.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With no major injuries and a roster of Kobe, Lamar, Gasol, Bynum (healthy), Fisher, Ariza (healthy), Vujacic, Radmanovic, Walton, Farmar, TURIAF, Mihm, Karl, Mbenga, Newble, plus Phil jackson, as the head coach &#8230; the Lakers were my pick to win 70+ games this coming season AND the 2008-2009 NBA championship. </p>
<p>At this point, however (during the off-season), after making the decision not to re-sign Ronny Turiaf (a significant loss, IMO, at least from a chemistry standpoint, if nothing else), it is still a wait-and-see proposition, as to what the Lakers&#8217; actual/final line-up is going to look like come the fall.</p>
<p>Not signing Artest was a terrific move by Mitch K. &amp; Co.</p>
<p>Who they pick-up to replace Turiaf, if they choose to go that route (or not), will be a critical factor in deciding their fate come June/2009.</p>
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		<title>By: drrayeye</title>
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		<dc:creator>drrayeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warren,

I think you&#039;re right in a historical sense.  Gasol should have been traded for Odom, since Pau was brought in as a power forward.

With Bynum coming back this year, Lamar becomes the odd man out--either by being asked to play the 3--or because Bynum&#039;s additional salary needs to come from somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren,</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re right in a historical sense.  Gasol should have been traded for Odom, since Pau was brought in as a power forward.</p>
<p>With Bynum coming back this year, Lamar becomes the odd man out&#8211;either by being asked to play the 3&#8211;or because Bynum&#8217;s additional salary needs to come from somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: khandor</title>
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		<dc:creator>khandor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) Most under-rated right now?

re: his status as a SHOULD BE league all-star

Jose Calderon, no doubt, whatsoever.

2) The entire premise of the initial topic is inaccurate, as the contracts signed by Bogut and Okafor do NOT automatically represent the &#039;Baseline&#039; for re-upped salaries by effective Big Men in the NBA&#039;s current marketplace.

Baseline denotes a flatline, bottom-end measurement. There is no indication where those two contracts stand on the continuum of NBA salaries ... i.e. they could be in the Middle, at the Bottom or at the Top ... as far as effective Big Men. Only time and more signings will tell.

Food For Thought</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Most under-rated right now?</p>
<p>re: his status as a SHOULD BE league all-star</p>
<p>Jose Calderon, no doubt, whatsoever.</p>
<p>2) The entire premise of the initial topic is inaccurate, as the contracts signed by Bogut and Okafor do NOT automatically represent the &#8216;Baseline&#8217; for re-upped salaries by effective Big Men in the NBA&#8217;s current marketplace.</p>
<p>Baseline denotes a flatline, bottom-end measurement. There is no indication where those two contracts stand on the continuum of NBA salaries &#8230; i.e. they could be in the Middle, at the Bottom or at the Top &#8230; as far as effective Big Men. Only time and more signings will tell.</p>
<p>Food For Thought</p>
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		<title>By: Warren "Addendum" Lim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren "Addendum" Lim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 11:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The current market price set is already overrated as is. There is no way in Earth Bogut and Okafor are earning 12m (so is Deng but he&#039;s a quasi-big) but that is the going rate these days. Fighting the stream might eventually lead us to drown.

Bynum is a dilemma of sorts. His injury is bittersweet for us even though we know we still have a full year of audition. 

Drray, I have shared your view countless of times. Allow me to disagree a bit this time on our otherwise unbeatable tandem. 

As I have said, the question of losing Lamar has NOTHING to do with Bynum&#039;s expected and supposed extension. He is a player of his own and he brings to the table what the team sorely needs - defense and interior presence which we have sorely missed since the &quot;big aristotle/diesel/cactus/underrated&quot; left.

If we begin once more to tap the topic about Lamar, its the Gasol deal that did him in. If ever the business or basketball decision comes to its close, Lamar will be traded because of Gasol, not because of Drew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current market price set is already overrated as is. There is no way in Earth Bogut and Okafor are earning 12m (so is Deng but he&#8217;s a quasi-big) but that is the going rate these days. Fighting the stream might eventually lead us to drown.</p>
<p>Bynum is a dilemma of sorts. His injury is bittersweet for us even though we know we still have a full year of audition. </p>
<p>Drray, I have shared your view countless of times. Allow me to disagree a bit this time on our otherwise unbeatable tandem. </p>
<p>As I have said, the question of losing Lamar has NOTHING to do with Bynum&#8217;s expected and supposed extension. He is a player of his own and he brings to the table what the team sorely needs &#8211; defense and interior presence which we have sorely missed since the &#8220;big aristotle/diesel/cactus/underrated&#8221; left.</p>
<p>If we begin once more to tap the topic about Lamar, its the Gasol deal that did him in. If ever the business or basketball decision comes to its close, Lamar will be traded because of Gasol, not because of Drew.</p>
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		<title>By: TCO</title>
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		<dc:creator>TCO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 08:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the Bynum deal, I&#039;m kinda split. He&#039;s NOT Dwight Howard. Dwight is the instant max player. However he has much better upside and somewhat current production than Okafor or Bogut. So, I&#039;d like him to get a deal at about 12.5 mil with performence incentives that would allow it to top the 6 year 80 mil deng got.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the Bynum deal, I&#8217;m kinda split. He&#8217;s NOT Dwight Howard. Dwight is the instant max player. However he has much better upside and somewhat current production than Okafor or Bogut. So, I&#8217;d like him to get a deal at about 12.5 mil with performence incentives that would allow it to top the 6 year 80 mil deng got.</p>
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		<title>By: wondahbap</title>
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		<dc:creator>wondahbap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 05:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brandon Hoffman,

I think Andre Miller is overrated.  Dude&#039;s 32 already, and all we ever here is he&#039;s finally with the right team, or situation...blah, blah, blah...every year.  Has he ever led a good team?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brandon Hoffman,</p>
<p>I think Andre Miller is overrated.  Dude&#8217;s 32 already, and all we ever here is he&#8217;s finally with the right team, or situation&#8230;blah, blah, blah&#8230;every year.  Has he ever led a good team?</p>
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