Comments on: Bynum and Other Thoughts http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/09/08/bynum-and-other-thoughts/ A Lakers Blog. Thoughts, reflections, and the odd rant on the Los Angeles Lakers and the NBA (even the Clippers). Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:18:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ken http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/09/08/bynum-and-other-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-580132 Ken Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:34:13 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1327#comment-580132 What is wrong with waiting until next year to sign Bynum? All the lakers have to do is match an offer made by another team (worst comes to worst it's the max deal). I don't see a problem waiting till next year, besides bynnum might get mad at the management, but if the team wins a lot this year, he won't get mad. So....why is it a big deal to sign him this year? What is wrong with waiting until next year to sign Bynum? All the lakers have to do is match an offer made by another team (worst comes to worst it’s the max deal). I don’t see a problem waiting till next year, besides bynnum might get mad at the management, but if the team wins a lot this year, he won’t get mad.

So….why is it a big deal to sign him this year?

]]> By: Jed http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/09/08/bynum-and-other-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-580099 Jed Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:27:50 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1327#comment-580099 In training camp if Bynum shows no lingering effects from the knee injury the Lakers need to get his contract done before the season begins. You don't make a guy you are planning on building your team around long-term wait around "for the market to set his value". The market is set. You pay him know because you want him to know the team is invested in him and in return you want him to be invested in the team. When people start throwing around "it's just business" it usually is used as a justification for not treating someone in a fair manner. Business is never just business, for most people their profession (particularly high-level employees like Bynum) is very much tied into their identity and self-worth. Right now you hear Bynum saying (and in my opinion he is being genuine) that he plans on focusing on rebounding and defense to help the team, but if he is completely healthy and hears from the team that "we need to see more before we extend you". Then he comes into the season needing to demand a larger offensive role to justify his contract next summer. This could not only wreck the chemistry of a team we all have high hopes for, but also jade Bynum and turn him into a guy who consistently puts himself before the team (and rightfully so if he can't trust the team to take care of him). In training camp if Bynum shows no lingering effects from the knee injury the Lakers need to get his contract done before the season begins. You don’t make a guy you are planning on building your team around long-term wait around “for the market to set his value”. The market is set. You pay him know because you want him to know the team is invested in him and in return you want him to be invested in the team. When people start throwing around “it’s just business” it usually is used as a justification for not treating someone in a fair manner. Business is never just business, for most people their profession (particularly high-level employees like Bynum) is very much tied into their identity and self-worth. Right now you hear Bynum saying (and in my opinion he is being genuine) that he plans on focusing on rebounding and defense to help the team, but if he is completely healthy and hears from the team that “we need to see more before we extend you”. Then he comes into the season needing to demand a larger offensive role to justify his contract next summer. This could not only wreck the chemistry of a team we all have high hopes for, but also jade Bynum and turn him into a guy who consistently puts himself before the team (and rightfully so if he can’t trust the team to take care of him).

]]> By: IgorK http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/09/08/bynum-and-other-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-580093 IgorK Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:58:50 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1327#comment-580093 I still don't see Bynum as a max player - at least not yet. Like I said, take away Kobe and will Bynum really be the franchise player? Can he create his own shot in the post? Can he anchor the D by providing solid defense in the middle? Can he stay healthy, fit and productive throughout the season? None of these questions have legitimate answers. I'm a big fan of his, and hope and pray he is the next great Lakers center, but throwing max money at him at this point is unfounded imo. I still don’t see Bynum as a max player – at least not yet. Like I said, take away Kobe and will Bynum really be the franchise player? Can he create his own shot in the post? Can he anchor the D by providing solid defense in the middle? Can he stay healthy, fit and productive throughout the season? None of these questions have legitimate answers. I’m a big fan of his, and hope and pray he is the next great Lakers center, but throwing max money at him at this point is unfounded imo.

]]> By: Brandon Hoffman http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/09/08/bynum-and-other-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-580091 Brandon Hoffman Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:53:37 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1327#comment-580091 Craig W. , My stating that Bynum's first two years were a disappointment has more to do with his production. Remember, there were serious concerns about his work ethic. And those concerns were expressed by Phil Jackson, as well as Kobe. Bynum didn't develop much in his first two seasons. He simply wasn't putting in the time to become a great player. Andrew obviously devoted himself to the game last summer. But I wouldn't call that a trend until we see continued improvement over a sustained period. Craig W. ,

My stating that Bynum’s first two years were a disappointment has more to do with his production.

Remember, there were serious concerns about his work ethic. And those concerns were expressed by Phil Jackson, as well as Kobe.

Bynum didn’t develop much in his first two seasons. He simply wasn’t putting in the time to become a great player.

Andrew obviously devoted himself to the game last summer. But I wouldn’t call that a trend until we see continued improvement over a sustained period.

]]> By: Kurt http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/09/08/bynum-and-other-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-580074 Kurt Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:41:39 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1327#comment-580074 Remember that there were other motives for the three-year deals for Wade and LeBron — both teams wanted longer deals but could only work out three year deals. One is that put pressure on the team to improve what is around the player so that said team can compete for a title (LeBron in particular), The other thing is that both of their deals will end right at the time the current CBA with the union expires. They will be able to sign deals under that new CBA that likely will be larger than what they could get currently. Which is another reason to get Bynum locked up now. Bottom line — I get the reservations about offering Bynum big money. But I think he is in that special class of players that gets treated differently. This is not Farmar. This is a 7-0 agile center who plays at both ends and has shown both great play and improvement. If he is healthy, I think the risks of not sighing him and bad blood building up (real or perceived) is bigger than that of another injury. Remember that there were other motives for the three-year deals for Wade and LeBron — both teams wanted longer deals but could only work out three year deals. One is that put pressure on the team to improve what is around the player so that said team can compete for a title (LeBron in particular), The other thing is that both of their deals will end right at the time the current CBA with the union expires. They will be able to sign deals under that new CBA that likely will be larger than what they could get currently. Which is another reason to get Bynum locked up now.

Bottom line — I get the reservations about offering Bynum big money. But I think he is in that special class of players that gets treated differently. This is not Farmar. This is a 7-0 agile center who plays at both ends and has shown both great play and improvement. If he is healthy, I think the risks of not sighing him and bad blood building up (real or perceived) is bigger than that of another injury.

]]> By: Justin http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/09/08/bynum-and-other-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-580073 Justin Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:34:44 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1327#comment-580073 I don't understand why they don't do a 3 year deal like Lebron and WAde are doing. If he has health issues the Lakers benefit and if he doesn't then he gets a bigger new deal at the end of 3 years. It seems like a win win to me. And I think people are focusing way to much on the offensive end when it comes to his worth. If a guy grabs 12+ rebounds a game and blocks 2+ shots a game (not mentioning how many he changes), then he greatly changes the game from a defensive stand point. That alone makes him a near max guy. Remember there is more than just scoring in the post. Eddy Curry gets you 20 a game from there but gives you no D or rebounds. I would rather have Bynum as he is now than Curry. And one last thing, don't sleep on Bynums passing ability, especially in the triangle. I don’t understand why they don’t do a 3 year deal like Lebron and WAde are doing. If he has health issues the Lakers benefit and if he doesn’t then he gets a bigger new deal at the end of 3 years. It seems like a win win to me. And I think people are focusing way to much on the offensive end when it comes to his worth. If a guy grabs 12+ rebounds a game and blocks 2+ shots a game (not mentioning how many he changes), then he greatly changes the game from a defensive stand point. That alone makes him a near max guy. Remember there is more than just scoring in the post. Eddy Curry gets you 20 a game from there but gives you no D or rebounds. I would rather have Bynum as he is now than Curry. And one last thing, don’t sleep on Bynums passing ability, especially in the triangle.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/09/08/bynum-and-other-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-580070 Anonymous Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:19:42 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1327#comment-580070 it would take him around 37-38 steps it would take him around 37-38 steps

]]> By: Craig W. http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/09/08/bynum-and-other-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-580069 Craig W. Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:16:40 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1327#comment-580069 Brandon Hoffman, Your statement that Andrew's first two years were a disappointment is really amazing. How can you consider his start to be a disappointment when he is the youngest player ever drafted into the NBA, came in with limited high school experience, and was expected to take 3-4 years to develop enough to be able to play regularly? We all seem to forget history as soon as it occurred the day-before-yesterday. Relative to his physical development, mental and physical age, and basketball experience, Andrew has surpassed all expectations of those who were responsible for his selection. While not Lebron James, a unique talent coming out of high school, he certainly is living up to expectations for very young centers coming into the league. Good grief! History may not be everything, but it sure should serve to give us perspective about what is happening now. I don't care if we are fans. We must at least be somewhat reasonable about our expectations. Brandon Hoffman,
Your statement that Andrew’s first two years were a disappointment is really amazing. How can you consider his start to be a disappointment when he is the youngest player ever drafted into the NBA, came in with limited high school experience, and was expected to take 3-4 years to develop enough to be able to play regularly?

We all seem to forget history as soon as it occurred the day-before-yesterday. Relative to his physical development, mental and physical age, and basketball experience, Andrew has surpassed all expectations of those who were responsible for his selection. While not Lebron James, a unique talent coming out of high school, he certainly is living up to expectations for very young centers coming into the league.

Good grief! History may not be everything, but it sure should serve to give us perspective about what is happening now.

I don’t care if we are fans. We must at least be somewhat reasonable about our expectations.

]]> By: Kurt http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/09/08/bynum-and-other-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-580068 Kurt Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:16:05 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1327#comment-580068 New post up to discuss the no surgery decision. New post up to discuss the no surgery decision.

]]> By: Joe http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/09/08/bynum-and-other-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-580066 Joe Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:09:45 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1327#comment-580066 https://www.kb24.com/news/article/715.html No surgery https://www.kb24.com/news/article/715.html

No surgery

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