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	<title>Comments on: Camp Is Rolling, And So Is Sasha’s Ankle</title>
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		<title>By: CacaDOO DOO</title>
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		<dc:creator>CacaDOO DOO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 00:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>25/  I think the Lakers win 80 games probably.  Even after Odom and Bynum go down for the season in week two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>25/  I think the Lakers win 80 games probably.  Even after Odom and Bynum go down for the season in week two.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>new post up — and Livingston has signed with Miami.</description>
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		<title>By: chris h</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kurt, your comment, (#45) was cut off, (maybe the comment box being too small, hehe)
what do you think of my request to list the name of the commenter at the top of the comment rather than the bottom? that way, knowing who wrote the comment sometimes lends better to knowing the tone of the comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kurt, your comment, (#45) was cut off, (maybe the comment box being too small, hehe)<br />
what do you think of my request to list the name of the commenter at the top of the comment rather than the bottom? that way, knowing who wrote the comment sometimes lends better to knowing the tone of the comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamal Tinsley to Denver (for Åtkins and Stephen Hunter). Denver is going to challenge for a playoff spot, which could leave someone like the Suns on the outside looking in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamal Tinsley to Denver (for Åtkins and Stephen Hunter). Denver is going to challenge for a playoff spot, which could leave someone like the Suns on the outside looking in.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>42. Gerrit, very interesting stuff. The defensive stats in particular, like you said, just seem better than I remembered. The defense was never really bad with Pau (well, save game six of the Finals) but I don&#039;t remember it being that good either. 

And the comment box size is a good one, I&#039;ll add that to the list. Work is ongoing (the designer just got back from vacation, but things are going ahead). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>42. Gerrit, very interesting stuff. The defensive stats in particular, like you said, just seem better than I remembered. The defense was never really bad with Pau (well, save game six of the Finals) but I don&#8217;t remember it being that good either. </p>
<p>And the comment box size is a good one, I&#8217;ll add that to the list. Work is ongoing (the designer just got back from vacation, but things are going ahead).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>go lakers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>go lakers!</p>
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		<title>By: tonystarks</title>
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		<dc:creator>tonystarks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 06:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>37. magicclover

I remember that nawlins game and i remember how great we looked. Kobe wasn&#039;t lying when he said that we&#039;re a championship team with him... and that was before we acquired pau. If we stay healthy, we are going to be scary.

side note - i keep reading about some of the drama stirring up with phil and odom and odom coming off the bench and what not. To put a little perspective on the situation: there&#039;s 29 other teams that would kill to have our problem... Basically, we&#039;ve got an abundance of talent. I&#039;m definitely in the camp that says we should start Odom and see how well the lineup plays. That starting five of Fish, Kobes, Odom, Pau and Drew has the potential to be dominant defensively. The ceiling with this team is so high that it has to be given a chance in the regular season.

Odom on the bench or not, we are going to be an excellent team.

One more side note: GO DODGERS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>37. magicclover</p>
<p>I remember that nawlins game and i remember how great we looked. Kobe wasn&#8217;t lying when he said that we&#8217;re a championship team with him&#8230; and that was before we acquired pau. If we stay healthy, we are going to be scary.</p>
<p>side note &#8211; i keep reading about some of the drama stirring up with phil and odom and odom coming off the bench and what not. To put a little perspective on the situation: there&#8217;s 29 other teams that would kill to have our problem&#8230; Basically, we&#8217;ve got an abundance of talent. I&#8217;m definitely in the camp that says we should start Odom and see how well the lineup plays. That starting five of Fish, Kobes, Odom, Pau and Drew has the potential to be dominant defensively. The ceiling with this team is so high that it has to be given a chance in the regular season.</p>
<p>Odom on the bench or not, we are going to be an excellent team.</p>
<p>One more side note: GO DODGERS</p>
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		<title>By: Gerrit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerrit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 06:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK.  Took some time and calculated the efficiency stats with Andrew Bynum as starting center and with Pau Gasol as starter.
Here goes
with Andrew Bynum
Offensive Efficiency = 113.5
Defensive Efficiency = 106.6
Differential = +6.9

with Pau Gasol
Offensive Efficiency = 119.8
Defensive Efficiency = 101.7
Differential = +18.1

It shows that the Lakers were much more effective offensively with Pau Gasol as the starting center, which I expected.  Surprisingly it also says that the Lakers were better defensively with Pau Gasol at Center.  Perhaps this is due to strength of schedule.  Looking at the schedule they mostly played weaker teams (Kings and Clippers, Spurs without Manu) against whom the Lakers piled up the stats.

The point differential with Pau Gasol as starting center imply that the team was good enough to win 90% of it&#039;s games, which mainly makes me want to recheck my numbers.

Unrelated note: please make the comment box bigger.  It&#039;s way too small, I can only read about half of my comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK.  Took some time and calculated the efficiency stats with Andrew Bynum as starting center and with Pau Gasol as starter.<br />
Here goes<br />
with Andrew Bynum<br />
Offensive Efficiency = 113.5<br />
Defensive Efficiency = 106.6<br />
Differential = +6.9</p>
<p>with Pau Gasol<br />
Offensive Efficiency = 119.8<br />
Defensive Efficiency = 101.7<br />
Differential = +18.1</p>
<p>It shows that the Lakers were much more effective offensively with Pau Gasol as the starting center, which I expected.  Surprisingly it also says that the Lakers were better defensively with Pau Gasol at Center.  Perhaps this is due to strength of schedule.  Looking at the schedule they mostly played weaker teams (Kings and Clippers, Spurs without Manu) against whom the Lakers piled up the stats.</p>
<p>The point differential with Pau Gasol as starting center imply that the team was good enough to win 90% of it&#8217;s games, which mainly makes me want to recheck my numbers.</p>
<p>Unrelated note: please make the comment box bigger.  It&#8217;s way too small, I can only read about half of my comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 03:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re Livingston,further on Dunleavy says only the first yr was guaranteed. Some team w/time and an owner willing to spend will make a modest 2-3 yr offer w/expectation Shaun won&#039;t contribute this yr but will next yr.(If the Knicks had adults in charge,he&#039;d be the perfect project for them.)

I&#039;d have Utah ahead of Hou(tough early sked,players recovering from surgery and running new offense for early hole) and NO(needs a backup PG desperately.)
If Suns can trade for a consistant 2/3 scorer they&#039;d content for top record.
The rosters the teams have now will not be what they end the season w/. I don&#039;t think there will be blockbuster trades,just a bunch of Korver-type deals,where a solid role player is brought in.
Hou,NO backup PG
Pho scoring SG/SF
Dallas  backup PG,SG
Lakers,Jazz,Blazers roll w/what they have.
FO chaos may keep GS from doing anything,who can tell what the Clips will do and I doubt Denver trades AI as letting him walk gives them the most relief and flexability.

OT,but which FO had the WORST offseason?
Knicks who blew heaven-sent opportunity to unload Randolph,thus making buyout of Marbury easier to sell?(And that a team w/no PGs would seriously consider paying Marbury $20mil+ to just go away tells you all you need to know about Marbury.)
Denver who unloaded only players who tried to play D the same time their Coach says they&#039;re going to emphasize D?
Memphis who traded away their most attractive asset for no apparent reason?
Dallas who did vitrually nothing to address a shockingly bad bench and brought in a coach who runs a system that is totally unsuited to the talent?
Golden State who looks snake-bit,and seems to have lost the first-aid kit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Livingston,further on Dunleavy says only the first yr was guaranteed. Some team w/time and an owner willing to spend will make a modest 2-3 yr offer w/expectation Shaun won&#8217;t contribute this yr but will next yr.(If the Knicks had adults in charge,he&#8217;d be the perfect project for them.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have Utah ahead of Hou(tough early sked,players recovering from surgery and running new offense for early hole) and NO(needs a backup PG desperately.)<br />
If Suns can trade for a consistant 2/3 scorer they&#8217;d content for top record.<br />
The rosters the teams have now will not be what they end the season w/. I don&#8217;t think there will be blockbuster trades,just a bunch of Korver-type deals,where a solid role player is brought in.<br />
Hou,NO backup PG<br />
Pho scoring SG/SF<br />
Dallas  backup PG,SG<br />
Lakers,Jazz,Blazers roll w/what they have.<br />
FO chaos may keep GS from doing anything,who can tell what the Clips will do and I doubt Denver trades AI as letting him walk gives them the most relief and flexability.</p>
<p>OT,but which FO had the WORST offseason?<br />
Knicks who blew heaven-sent opportunity to unload Randolph,thus making buyout of Marbury easier to sell?(And that a team w/no PGs would seriously consider paying Marbury $20mil+ to just go away tells you all you need to know about Marbury.)<br />
Denver who unloaded only players who tried to play D the same time their Coach says they&#8217;re going to emphasize D?<br />
Memphis who traded away their most attractive asset for no apparent reason?<br />
Dallas who did vitrually nothing to address a shockingly bad bench and brought in a coach who runs a system that is totally unsuited to the talent?<br />
Golden State who looks snake-bit,and seems to have lost the first-aid kit?</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>39. I agree for the most part, although two quibbles. One, I think SAS may be older with their key guys but got a younger in some role spots, and I think they actually go into the top group. Also, I have Portland ahead of the Phoenix, with the Suns and the Nuggets fighting for the 8 spot. Since I expect Denver to make a trade of Iverson or Melo, let&#039;s say the Suns finish 8th. 

Also, regarding Livingston, this from the Daily News today:

&quot;I&#039;ve had a chance to speak with a few more people about the Shaun Livingston situation in the last few days and get a better sense of just how serious the club is about bringing him back. The last conversation the Clippers have had with free-agent guard Shaun Livingston came in the beginning of August, when it offered him a two-year deal and Livingston passed on it. That deal was for a minimum salary and was guaranteed. Livingston would&#039;ve had an option for the second year. While that deal isn&#039;t officially still on the table, the door is more than open. Though I&#039;m told that it&#039;s Livingston and his agent who would need to re-open talks.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>39. I agree for the most part, although two quibbles. One, I think SAS may be older with their key guys but got a younger in some role spots, and I think they actually go into the top group. Also, I have Portland ahead of the Phoenix, with the Suns and the Nuggets fighting for the 8 spot. Since I expect Denver to make a trade of Iverson or Melo, let&#8217;s say the Suns finish 8th. </p>
<p>Also, regarding Livingston, this from the Daily News today:</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ve had a chance to speak with a few more people about the Shaun Livingston situation in the last few days and get a better sense of just how serious the club is about bringing him back. The last conversation the Clippers have had with free-agent guard Shaun Livingston came in the beginning of August, when it offered him a two-year deal and Livingston passed on it. That deal was for a minimum salary and was guaranteed. Livingston would&#8217;ve had an option for the second year. While that deal isn&#8217;t officially still on the table, the door is more than open. Though I&#8217;m told that it&#8217;s Livingston and his agent who would need to re-open talks.&#8221;</p>
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