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		<title>By: Zohan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lakers will be okay, as long as your fans stop smelling the opposing players.  this is hilarious!! freaky LA fans. love it.

http://hoopsoup.com/2008/11/18/some-chick-smells-tayshaun-princes-neck/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lakers will be okay, as long as your fans stop smelling the opposing players.  this is hilarious!! freaky LA fans. love it.</p>
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		<title>By: steven v</title>
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		<dc:creator>steven v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DET won because they shot the ball well. 
Our bigs did not get outplayed. Kwame did not burn Drew. 
Sheed put up 4-9 3&#039;s. That&#039;s 12 points of his 25. Take those 3&#039;s away and he ends up with 13 points for the night. 

We had a bad night of offense and a bad night of defense. 
nothing more. 
nothing less. 

stop looking into things that deep. have confidence that this team will play well the remainder of the season. 

I care about what happens in June.
Not November!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DET won because they shot the ball well.<br />
Our bigs did not get outplayed. Kwame did not burn Drew.<br />
Sheed put up 4-9 3&#8242;s. That&#8217;s 12 points of his 25. Take those 3&#8242;s away and he ends up with 13 points for the night. </p>
<p>We had a bad night of offense and a bad night of defense.<br />
nothing more.<br />
nothing less. </p>
<p>stop looking into things that deep. have confidence that this team will play well the remainder of the season. </p>
<p>I care about what happens in June.<br />
Not November!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: passerby</title>
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		<dc:creator>passerby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the ball is round and so is the season.  just look at the warrior&#039;s undrafted surprise scoring 37.  that won&#039;t happen on a regular basis.  so will laker losses.  GO LAKERS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the ball is round and so is the season.  just look at the warrior&#8217;s undrafted surprise scoring 37.  that won&#8217;t happen on a regular basis.  so will laker losses.  GO LAKERS!</p>
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		<title>By: magiclover</title>
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		<dc:creator>magiclover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One comment....free throws made Detroit 29, lakers 11</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One comment&#8230;.free throws made Detroit 29, lakers 11</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>32. That is going to be very interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>32. That is going to be very interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just bumped Bill Bridges comments up into their own new post.  They deserved it and a broader discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just bumped Bill Bridges comments up into their own new post.  They deserved it and a broader discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: wondahbap</title>
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		<dc:creator>wondahbap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our record will be awesome this year.  We all know that.  What is most important is just improving on focus.  We&#039;ve seen improved focus and commitment to defense, but there&#039;s obviously room for improvement, and I think we won&#039;t really see where we stand until we play Boston on Christmas.  

By then , Bynum will be in the groove, and his play aginst Perk will really tell where we&#039;re at.  It&#039;s still early, but I think Drew is settling for position too often, and not really being forceful enough in establishing it.  He is relying too much on length, and forcing some shots.  We need him and Pau, and LO to take it to KG and Perk, in be forceful in doing so.  They cannot allow them to dictate how the Lakers will run their offense., and we must show that we can limit PP from driving to the hole, and closing out on Ray Allen, and not giving him wide open looks, meanwhile taking his drive away.  This game will mean something to both team, so it will give us a measuring stick to see how much they&#039;ve really progressed.   They should have what they want to do well established by then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our record will be awesome this year.  We all know that.  What is most important is just improving on focus.  We&#8217;ve seen improved focus and commitment to defense, but there&#8217;s obviously room for improvement, and I think we won&#8217;t really see where we stand until we play Boston on Christmas.  </p>
<p>By then , Bynum will be in the groove, and his play aginst Perk will really tell where we&#8217;re at.  It&#8217;s still early, but I think Drew is settling for position too often, and not really being forceful enough in establishing it.  He is relying too much on length, and forcing some shots.  We need him and Pau, and LO to take it to KG and Perk, in be forceful in doing so.  They cannot allow them to dictate how the Lakers will run their offense., and we must show that we can limit PP from driving to the hole, and closing out on Ray Allen, and not giving him wide open looks, meanwhile taking his drive away.  This game will mean something to both team, so it will give us a measuring stick to see how much they&#8217;ve really progressed.   They should have what they want to do well established by then.</p>
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		<title>By: kwame a.</title>
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		<dc:creator>kwame a.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>31- I wouldn&#039;t be surprised to see Luke get some of Vlad&#039;s PT over the next few games.

I agree that a lineup with Sasha in it would help the Lakers, but against Boston I just think Kobe is too small to guard Pierce (or most big SF&#039;s). This is why I like having Trevor. If anything, I would like to see Sasha get some time at the 1. That would let Kobe stay at the 2 on defense, but still allow Sasha to help open up the court for our bigs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>31- I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised to see Luke get some of Vlad&#8217;s PT over the next few games.</p>
<p>I agree that a lineup with Sasha in it would help the Lakers, but against Boston I just think Kobe is too small to guard Pierce (or most big SF&#8217;s). This is why I like having Trevor. If anything, I would like to see Sasha get some time at the 1. That would let Kobe stay at the 2 on defense, but still allow Sasha to help open up the court for our bigs.</p>
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		<title>By: kwame a.</title>
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		<dc:creator>kwame a.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So...does the leauge sanction/suspend/oust Mark Cuban now that he he&#039;s been accused of going Martha Stewart?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230;does the leauge sanction/suspend/oust Mark Cuban now that he he&#8217;s been accused of going Martha Stewart?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Bridges</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Bridges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I was about to write a comment about the offense but Darius just about covered all of my points!

If the first half of the season can be devoted to experimentation such as determining the rotation and the best fit combos, we are now a fifth of the way through this stage. I would strongly urge that Phil devote the second fifth to ward a different set of lineups and rotations.

If we discount the 3 games against the Clippers and Mavs and the first game against Portland (where they were obviously affected by first game jitters and the loss of Oden). The Lakers are 3 - 1. During many of these games and even  against Dallas and the Clippers the starting unit put the Lakers in a hole to climb out of.

The first unit is just not working as well as the rest of the rotations. I would contend that the balance is wrong. The notion the Vlad&#039;s 3 point shooting &quot;opens&quot; up the court for Pau and Bynum just has not worked out. What would really open up the court is a few possessions that the Lakers actually run the triangle to the 2nd or 3rd options possibly resulting in a corner three for ... Pau! (who apparently beats Sasha regularly in 3 point shooting in practice). Or running the triangle&#039;s corner sequence resulting in a pass in from the corner to Bynum who&#039;s sealed his man for the dunk (remember Fox to Shaq?)

A quick examination of players&#039; tendencies may shed some light.

1. Kobe does not play well without the ball. His best position in the triangle is the mid post (right block). He has rarely been seen in this position this year.

2. Fisher. Does not play well without ball except to rotate for open 3&#039;s. He shoots 40% lifetime on layups but insists on disproving Einstein&#039;s observation about insanity. When hot is a good catch n shooter but also likes to dribble and shoot. Will keep shooting , hot or not.

3. Bynum&#039;s a low post player. Best initiation point is low left block. 

4. Pau&#039;s best initiation point is low left block. but also right high post.

5. Vlad ... Not good  without the ball except like Fisher sliding on the perimeter for open 3&#039;s . Very unreliable finisher at the rim.


The starting 5 then has 3 players who like playing with the ball in Kobe, Pau, and Fish. Nobody who really plays well off-the ball. And no slasher other than Kobe. As Kobe has basically decided not to slash this year, there is no slasher in the starting 5. (In the 1st quarter, Kobe is playing &quot;facilitator&quot;, and in the 4th, he seems to be relying almost exclusively on jump shots - blame it on the long season, or his age... but that he is taking it to the hole less is obvious)

This composition creates a few problems. The triangle requires players to catch, read, pass, and move. All 5 players rotate around until one has a good shot. Both Pau and Kobe&#039;s natural inclination is to catch and hold the ball and look for cutters. Fisher and Vlad are drifting on the perimeter (and if they were to cut , you wouldn&#039;t want to pass it them). Bynum has not been establishing deep low post position to be a position to receive the ball.

The result, stagnation, short shot clock, shots out of rhythm.

Time to change the mix.

1. Ariza for Vlad. You get excellent movement off the ball. A slashing finisher to receive Pau and Kobe and as good a 3 pointer as Vlad - at least from the corner.

2. Sasha for Vlad. Kobe moves over to 3. This is the line up I believe to be the best against Boston. Sasha runs around covering Ray, Kobe plays Pierce. Sasha is much more aggressive than Vlad and much more consistent. Kobe initiates much more from an attacking position.

3. Luke for Vlad. Can&#039;t be any worse . Remember the start of the 3rd against NOH? Vlad had a sequence of ignomy - turnover on first possession, foul, missed 3 etc... 
At least Luke would keep the ball moving in the triangle.

4. LO for Vlad. LO became quite proficient at slashing to the rim and receiving passes from Pau. 

I would also replace Fish, but JAckson would never do this. In vlad and fish we have two inconsistent perimeter shooters who are not good finishers and only average at best moving with out the ball. In Pau and Kobe we have two play makers looking to find non-existing cutting teammates. 

Time for the second phase of the experiment....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I was about to write a comment about the offense but Darius just about covered all of my points!</p>
<p>If the first half of the season can be devoted to experimentation such as determining the rotation and the best fit combos, we are now a fifth of the way through this stage. I would strongly urge that Phil devote the second fifth to ward a different set of lineups and rotations.</p>
<p>If we discount the 3 games against the Clippers and Mavs and the first game against Portland (where they were obviously affected by first game jitters and the loss of Oden). The Lakers are 3 &#8211; 1. During many of these games and even  against Dallas and the Clippers the starting unit put the Lakers in a hole to climb out of.</p>
<p>The first unit is just not working as well as the rest of the rotations. I would contend that the balance is wrong. The notion the Vlad&#8217;s 3 point shooting &#8220;opens&#8221; up the court for Pau and Bynum just has not worked out. What would really open up the court is a few possessions that the Lakers actually run the triangle to the 2nd or 3rd options possibly resulting in a corner three for &#8230; Pau! (who apparently beats Sasha regularly in 3 point shooting in practice). Or running the triangle&#8217;s corner sequence resulting in a pass in from the corner to Bynum who&#8217;s sealed his man for the dunk (remember Fox to Shaq?)</p>
<p>A quick examination of players&#8217; tendencies may shed some light.</p>
<p>1. Kobe does not play well without the ball. His best position in the triangle is the mid post (right block). He has rarely been seen in this position this year.</p>
<p>2. Fisher. Does not play well without ball except to rotate for open 3&#8242;s. He shoots 40% lifetime on layups but insists on disproving Einstein&#8217;s observation about insanity. When hot is a good catch n shooter but also likes to dribble and shoot. Will keep shooting , hot or not.</p>
<p>3. Bynum&#8217;s a low post player. Best initiation point is low left block. </p>
<p>4. Pau&#8217;s best initiation point is low left block. but also right high post.</p>
<p>5. Vlad &#8230; Not good  without the ball except like Fisher sliding on the perimeter for open 3&#8242;s . Very unreliable finisher at the rim.</p>
<p>The starting 5 then has 3 players who like playing with the ball in Kobe, Pau, and Fish. Nobody who really plays well off-the ball. And no slasher other than Kobe. As Kobe has basically decided not to slash this year, there is no slasher in the starting 5. (In the 1st quarter, Kobe is playing &#8220;facilitator&#8221;, and in the 4th, he seems to be relying almost exclusively on jump shots &#8211; blame it on the long season, or his age&#8230; but that he is taking it to the hole less is obvious)</p>
<p>This composition creates a few problems. The triangle requires players to catch, read, pass, and move. All 5 players rotate around until one has a good shot. Both Pau and Kobe&#8217;s natural inclination is to catch and hold the ball and look for cutters. Fisher and Vlad are drifting on the perimeter (and if they were to cut , you wouldn&#8217;t want to pass it them). Bynum has not been establishing deep low post position to be a position to receive the ball.</p>
<p>The result, stagnation, short shot clock, shots out of rhythm.</p>
<p>Time to change the mix.</p>
<p>1. Ariza for Vlad. You get excellent movement off the ball. A slashing finisher to receive Pau and Kobe and as good a 3 pointer as Vlad &#8211; at least from the corner.</p>
<p>2. Sasha for Vlad. Kobe moves over to 3. This is the line up I believe to be the best against Boston. Sasha runs around covering Ray, Kobe plays Pierce. Sasha is much more aggressive than Vlad and much more consistent. Kobe initiates much more from an attacking position.</p>
<p>3. Luke for Vlad. Can&#8217;t be any worse . Remember the start of the 3rd against NOH? Vlad had a sequence of ignomy &#8211; turnover on first possession, foul, missed 3 etc&#8230;<br />
At least Luke would keep the ball moving in the triangle.</p>
<p>4. LO for Vlad. LO became quite proficient at slashing to the rim and receiving passes from Pau. </p>
<p>I would also replace Fish, but JAckson would never do this. In vlad and fish we have two inconsistent perimeter shooters who are not good finishers and only average at best moving with out the ball. In Pau and Kobe we have two play makers looking to find non-existing cutting teammates. </p>
<p>Time for the second phase of the experiment&#8230;.</p>
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