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		<title>By: Alessio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alessio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t count out the Iverson deal yet.  They are finally fielding the best lineup which they should have done from day one, moving A.I. to the 2 spot, starting Stuckey and playing a small ball lineup with Sheed at the 5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t count out the Iverson deal yet.  They are finally fielding the best lineup which they should have done from day one, moving A.I. to the 2 spot, starting Stuckey and playing a small ball lineup with Sheed at the 5.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Sacramento preview post is up</description>
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		<title>By: Craig W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of interesting links on Kobe:

Kobe and clutch: http://www.respectkobe.com/?p=54#comment-5875

An older series of articles on Kobe&#039;s shooting patterns over a year. Noted before, but still worth a look if you haven&#039;t seen it before (lots of statistics).
http://www.littlewhitestatistics.com/?cat=7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of interesting links on Kobe:</p>
<p>Kobe and clutch: <a href="http://www.respectkobe.com/?p=54#comment-5875" rel="nofollow">http://www.respectkobe.com/?p=54#comment-5875</a></p>
<p>An older series of articles on Kobe&#8217;s shooting patterns over a year. Noted before, but still worth a look if you haven&#8217;t seen it before (lots of statistics).<br />
<a href="http://www.littlewhitestatistics.com/?cat=7" rel="nofollow">http://www.littlewhitestatistics.com/?cat=7</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wagner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wagner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>53. Tried to look that up, and only found this so far:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RxFRMfn8Vw

I have to admit though that I haven&#039;t noticed this one yet. I&#039;ll have to check out this pattern in some other games they play in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>53. Tried to look that up, and only found this so far:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RxFRMfn8Vw" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RxFRMfn8Vw</a></p>
<p>I have to admit though that I haven&#8217;t noticed this one yet. I&#8217;ll have to check out this pattern in some other games they play in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Garnett: I don&#039;t get what everybody suddenly sees in him that&#039;s so bad. He&#039;s always been like this. I guess when you do it for a perennial loser it makes everybody empathize but when you do it as a champion it&#039;s classless. Why does the crawling on all fours thing get everybody mad? It confuses me more than anything else and makes me see KG more as mentally deranged than a jerk. Apparently he was asked about it once and said he doesn&#039;t even remember doing it. One thing I do know is that I definitely don&#039;t want the refs T&#039;ing him up for this. Every time he does it, the guy he&#039;s guarding scores. Turns out playing defense on your knees isn&#039;t terribly effective.

On the HOF: Pierce and Allen were well on their way to getting in before the championship in Boston and if Pau retired today, he&#039;d be in too. Pierce and Allen both have career numbers that put them on pace for the Hall and were making the All-Star game pretty much every year. Seems like a silly thing to measure Hall of Fame likeliness by, but 8 All Star games pretty much makes you a lock and they had both been in a conference Finals previously. Plus Allen might go down as the best three point shooter ever. The precedent for scorers like them would be someone Wilkins or English. Nique never even got out of the second round, actually. Somebody already mentioned Pau&#039;s international credentials that will get him in (just like Manu). Another guy that people don&#039;t realize is likely Hall of Fame bound is McGrady. He&#039;s made 7 All NBA teams and led the league in scoring multiple times. Even without a first round victory, every player that&#039;s reached those benchmarks has been inducted and it doesn&#039;t hurt that when people look back, McGrady&#039;s playoff numbers are actually some of the best of all time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Garnett: I don&#8217;t get what everybody suddenly sees in him that&#8217;s so bad. He&#8217;s always been like this. I guess when you do it for a perennial loser it makes everybody empathize but when you do it as a champion it&#8217;s classless. Why does the crawling on all fours thing get everybody mad? It confuses me more than anything else and makes me see KG more as mentally deranged than a jerk. Apparently he was asked about it once and said he doesn&#8217;t even remember doing it. One thing I do know is that I definitely don&#8217;t want the refs T&#8217;ing him up for this. Every time he does it, the guy he&#8217;s guarding scores. Turns out playing defense on your knees isn&#8217;t terribly effective.</p>
<p>On the HOF: Pierce and Allen were well on their way to getting in before the championship in Boston and if Pau retired today, he&#8217;d be in too. Pierce and Allen both have career numbers that put them on pace for the Hall and were making the All-Star game pretty much every year. Seems like a silly thing to measure Hall of Fame likeliness by, but 8 All Star games pretty much makes you a lock and they had both been in a conference Finals previously. Plus Allen might go down as the best three point shooter ever. The precedent for scorers like them would be someone Wilkins or English. Nique never even got out of the second round, actually. Somebody already mentioned Pau&#8217;s international credentials that will get him in (just like Manu). Another guy that people don&#8217;t realize is likely Hall of Fame bound is McGrady. He&#8217;s made 7 All NBA teams and led the league in scoring multiple times. Even without a first round victory, every player that&#8217;s reached those benchmarks has been inducted and it doesn&#8217;t hurt that when people look back, McGrady&#8217;s playoff numbers are actually some of the best of all time.</p>
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		<title>By: MannyP13</title>
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		<dc:creator>MannyP13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darius - Like yourself, I&#039;m torn with what I see in Garnett.  On the one hand, I see a tough competitor but on the other I see a bully who seems to act up only when he knows the game is out of the other side&#039;s reach.

I personally cannot understand why the league has not issued him a warning or at least come out and at least stated that they are monitoring the situation.  
hard-pressed then to police his antics.  

While we are on the same subject, has anyone else also noticed how the Celtics bench routinely disrupts players who are trying to shoot jumpers/3&#039;s right in front of them?  This was common place in the finals and, as now, the league did nothing.

I tell ya, the league&#039;s lack of action is going to lead to one of these high profile players getting decked or hurt in retaliation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darius &#8211; Like yourself, I&#8217;m torn with what I see in Garnett.  On the one hand, I see a tough competitor but on the other I see a bully who seems to act up only when he knows the game is out of the other side&#8217;s reach.</p>
<p>I personally cannot understand why the league has not issued him a warning or at least come out and at least stated that they are monitoring the situation.<br />
hard-pressed then to police his antics.  </p>
<p>While we are on the same subject, has anyone else also noticed how the Celtics bench routinely disrupts players who are trying to shoot jumpers/3&#8242;s right in front of them?  This was common place in the finals and, as now, the league did nothing.</p>
<p>I tell ya, the league&#8217;s lack of action is going to lead to one of these high profile players getting decked or hurt in retaliation.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan O.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>49. Joel - You&#039;re right, Laker fans really aren&#039;t in the best position to be taken seriously when calling KG classless, but I think FB&amp;G commenters are self-aware enough as a group to avoid the knee-jerk sour grapes reaction.  I know I cringe every time Kobe busts out the fake pistols after drilling a jumper (too reminiscent of Shooter McGavin from Happy Gilmore)--I&#039;d be mortified if my favorite player was down on all fours barking at an opposing player after a relatively mundane play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>49. Joel &#8211; You&#8217;re right, Laker fans really aren&#8217;t in the best position to be taken seriously when calling KG classless, but I think FB&amp;G commenters are self-aware enough as a group to avoid the knee-jerk sour grapes reaction.  I know I cringe every time Kobe busts out the fake pistols after drilling a jumper (too reminiscent of Shooter McGavin from Happy Gilmore)&#8211;I&#8217;d be mortified if my favorite player was down on all fours barking at an opposing player after a relatively mundane play.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intensity is one thing - but barking at rookie in an early season game that is basically over? Getting down on all fours against him? What is that all about? It just smacks of bullying and extreme arrogance to me, as well as an overall lack of class. 

People knock Kobe for his arrogance, but he would *never* denigrate another player like that. He&#039;s content with knocking down a big shot when it counts and wagging his finger at the crowd. We don&#039;t know what KG&#039;s reaction would be to knocking down a big shot because, well, the next time he hits one will be the first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intensity is one thing &#8211; but barking at rookie in an early season game that is basically over? Getting down on all fours against him? What is that all about? It just smacks of bullying and extreme arrogance to me, as well as an overall lack of class. </p>
<p>People knock Kobe for his arrogance, but he would *never* denigrate another player like that. He&#8217;s content with knocking down a big shot when it counts and wagging his finger at the crowd. We don&#8217;t know what KG&#8217;s reaction would be to knocking down a big shot because, well, the next time he hits one will be the first.</p>
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		<title>By: Darius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll defend KG.  While I think he&#039;s a bully and needs to be put back in his place by someone that he tries to intimidate, I think his leadership is inavaluable to the Celtics.  I know for a fact that if we had acquired him when he was available and was doing this type of stuff for us (while also helping lead *us* to a title) that it wouldn&#039;t seem so overboard.

For years we admired Shaq and his physicality while every single fan base of our opponents thought that he got away with entirely too much and that he got special treatment from the refs.  For over a decade most of us have defended Kobe as a player and a teammate when half the fans of the league think we&#039;re delusional.

So, while I can see why KG&#039;s on court persona would upset people, I think the best way to end that stuff is to beat his team or intimidate him right back (or preferrably both).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll defend KG.  While I think he&#8217;s a bully and needs to be put back in his place by someone that he tries to intimidate, I think his leadership is inavaluable to the Celtics.  I know for a fact that if we had acquired him when he was available and was doing this type of stuff for us (while also helping lead *us* to a title) that it wouldn&#8217;t seem so overboard.</p>
<p>For years we admired Shaq and his physicality while every single fan base of our opponents thought that he got away with entirely too much and that he got special treatment from the refs.  For over a decade most of us have defended Kobe as a player and a teammate when half the fans of the league think we&#8217;re delusional.</p>
<p>So, while I can see why KG&#8217;s on court persona would upset people, I think the best way to end that stuff is to beat his team or intimidate him right back (or preferrably both).</p>
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		<title>By: Joel R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KG&#039;s antics have, of late, bothered me as well.

However, just to play devil&#039;s advocate, I wonder how perturbed we&#039;d all be if he HADN&#039;T become a member of our hated rivals and defeated us in last year&#039;s Finals.

All that &quot;intensity&quot; was something to be admired when KG was perceived as a lovable loser, but I can&#039;t help thinking our taking umbrage at this late stage smacks of sour grapes.

Then again, he is coming across like a total dick lately ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KG&#8217;s antics have, of late, bothered me as well.</p>
<p>However, just to play devil&#8217;s advocate, I wonder how perturbed we&#8217;d all be if he HADN&#8217;T become a member of our hated rivals and defeated us in last year&#8217;s Finals.</p>
<p>All that &#8220;intensity&#8221; was something to be admired when KG was perceived as a lovable loser, but I can&#8217;t help thinking our taking umbrage at this late stage smacks of sour grapes.</p>
<p>Then again, he is coming across like a total dick lately &#8230;</p>
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