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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/12/20/preview-chat-the-orlando-magic/comment-page-3/#comment-587956</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>new post up</description>
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		<title>By: clutch824</title>
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		<dc:creator>clutch824</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Kurt&#039;s recent posts &amp; 106 - Kurt don&#039;t get frustrated. Some of the recent posts are because of the the last 2 games, but others are because we aren&#039;t playing well enough to win.  Forget the record, we haven&#039;t been for  few weeks.  IMHO, more losses are coming.  People keep saying they won&#039;t be worried until April.  Well, this is how that happens, there&#039;s no magic.  If they&#039;re going to fix the issues, they&#039;re probably going to take some losses now.

Concerning the new defense - I think it&#039;s a gimmick and I don&#039;t like it.  After last year (and I mean the WHOLE season), we needed to play better, harder on D, not create a fake new scheme.  Last year we gave up loads of open Js, but mostly locked down the paint for stretches.  This season, it&#039;s a party, basically any shot you want, because guys are uncomfortable, lazy, and noncommittal on D. 

And on O, who can deny that they haven&#039;t really been effective running triangle this year?  They were effective running and I was worried what would happen when teams took that away.  Now I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Kurt&#8217;s recent posts &amp; 106 &#8211; Kurt don&#8217;t get frustrated. Some of the recent posts are because of the the last 2 games, but others are because we aren&#8217;t playing well enough to win.  Forget the record, we haven&#8217;t been for  few weeks.  IMHO, more losses are coming.  People keep saying they won&#8217;t be worried until April.  Well, this is how that happens, there&#8217;s no magic.  If they&#8217;re going to fix the issues, they&#8217;re probably going to take some losses now.</p>
<p>Concerning the new defense &#8211; I think it&#8217;s a gimmick and I don&#8217;t like it.  After last year (and I mean the WHOLE season), we needed to play better, harder on D, not create a fake new scheme.  Last year we gave up loads of open Js, but mostly locked down the paint for stretches.  This season, it&#8217;s a party, basically any shot you want, because guys are uncomfortable, lazy, and noncommittal on D. </p>
<p>And on O, who can deny that they haven&#8217;t really been effective running triangle this year?  They were effective running and I was worried what would happen when teams took that away.  Now I know.</p>
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		<title>By: MannyP13</title>
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		<dc:creator>MannyP13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Rob L and Kurt.

The problems our Lakers are facing will be dealt with changes in the defensive scheme and, perhaps, with player rotations - not with trades.  This team is, and has always been deep, and this will play to our advantage during this long NBA season.   Demanding player/coaching changes this early in the season is premature and imprudent. 

I&#039;m as frustrated as all of the fans that come to this site, but I think that part of the frustration is that people have completely unrealistic expectations of some of the players on the team.  

For example, some people unfairly expect Andrew Bynum to be this &quot;intimidating beast&quot; merely because of his size.  I&#039;m not sure where this expectation came from as the Andrew Bynum I watch in games and seen at Staples Center has a style more reminissant of David Robinson or Kareeem than that of &quot;physical&quot; guys like Shaq or D. Howard.  This does not mean that Bynum is &quot;soft&quot;, it just means that he plays a different style of basketball.   I also think Bynum lacks the foundation that guys like Howard, Kareem and Shaq had, so his basketball instincts will develop a bit slower than some of us may hope (hence some of the &quot;dumb&quot; fouls and defensive decisions)- but they will develop.

The same goes for Lamar.  We all know by now what to expect from Lamar.  Some nights he will be hot, others stone cold.  But that does not mean that his versatily has no place in this team.  Quite the oppossite, his versatility is what makes the Lakers contenders, even if we are having a hard time right now.  

So let&#039;s ground our expectations and quit yapping about trades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Rob L and Kurt.</p>
<p>The problems our Lakers are facing will be dealt with changes in the defensive scheme and, perhaps, with player rotations &#8211; not with trades.  This team is, and has always been deep, and this will play to our advantage during this long NBA season.   Demanding player/coaching changes this early in the season is premature and imprudent. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m as frustrated as all of the fans that come to this site, but I think that part of the frustration is that people have completely unrealistic expectations of some of the players on the team.  </p>
<p>For example, some people unfairly expect Andrew Bynum to be this &#8220;intimidating beast&#8221; merely because of his size.  I&#8217;m not sure where this expectation came from as the Andrew Bynum I watch in games and seen at Staples Center has a style more reminissant of David Robinson or Kareeem than that of &#8220;physical&#8221; guys like Shaq or D. Howard.  This does not mean that Bynum is &#8220;soft&#8221;, it just means that he plays a different style of basketball.   I also think Bynum lacks the foundation that guys like Howard, Kareem and Shaq had, so his basketball instincts will develop a bit slower than some of us may hope (hence some of the &#8220;dumb&#8221; fouls and defensive decisions)- but they will develop.</p>
<p>The same goes for Lamar.  We all know by now what to expect from Lamar.  Some nights he will be hot, others stone cold.  But that does not mean that his versatily has no place in this team.  Quite the oppossite, his versatility is what makes the Lakers contenders, even if we are having a hard time right now.  </p>
<p>So let&#8217;s ground our expectations and quit yapping about trades.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the doom and gloom around here, I&#039;ll repeat a previous comment:

It is too soon to say the Lakers need to scrap the defensive scheme or bench players.  This is a brand new system for the team.  Out of the gate opponents hadn&#039;t seen the Lakers play it and the Lakers dominated.  Teams adjusted to it and now the Lakers need to execute the system better.  That is a process that will take time, just like learning the triangle offense takes time.  There is a good chance the team will get there by playoff time.  On paper it is a good system to shoot for as it capitalizes on the Lakers&#039; strengths:  length and quickness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the doom and gloom around here, I&#8217;ll repeat a previous comment:</p>
<p>It is too soon to say the Lakers need to scrap the defensive scheme or bench players.  This is a brand new system for the team.  Out of the gate opponents hadn&#8217;t seen the Lakers play it and the Lakers dominated.  Teams adjusted to it and now the Lakers need to execute the system better.  That is a process that will take time, just like learning the triangle offense takes time.  There is a good chance the team will get there by playoff time.  On paper it is a good system to shoot for as it capitalizes on the Lakers&#8217; strengths:  length and quickness.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can certainly disagree with me. I have no problem with that.

However, to me the argument that Phil Jackson has never been a good defensive coach or doesn&#039;t know how to do rotations or build a championship team are ludicrous. Those are exactly the things the guy has done to win nine rings. He has always been willing to take some losses in December or even March to teach a team and get them to grow. He has always mucked with rotations. This is what he does, but the results bear out he can coach. If you think he just rolls the ball out and gets lucky, I think you are really missing the picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can certainly disagree with me. I have no problem with that.</p>
<p>However, to me the argument that Phil Jackson has never been a good defensive coach or doesn&#8217;t know how to do rotations or build a championship team are ludicrous. Those are exactly the things the guy has done to win nine rings. He has always been willing to take some losses in December or even March to teach a team and get them to grow. He has always mucked with rotations. This is what he does, but the results bear out he can coach. If you think he just rolls the ball out and gets lucky, I think you are really missing the picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Costa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Kurt, allow me to disagree with you, if this is not a reason for cutting me out.(previously anonymous)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Kurt, allow me to disagree with you, if this is not a reason for cutting me out.(previously anonymous)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This can all be traced back to the coaches inability to teach defense to offensive minded players. I wrote something about that earlier today but it was sencored by Kurt although i was just giving my point of view  for the current state of the team and how it might be fixed.Maybe it is because i am writting as &#039;&#039;anonymous&#039;&#039; my comment was left out,so from now on i will use a name so that the mods can identify that i am a true LA fan and not somekind of troll lurking around.Cheers. From now on Costa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This can all be traced back to the coaches inability to teach defense to offensive minded players. I wrote something about that earlier today but it was sencored by Kurt although i was just giving my point of view  for the current state of the team and how it might be fixed.Maybe it is because i am writting as &#8221;anonymous&#8221; my comment was left out,so from now on i will use a name so that the mods can identify that i am a true LA fan and not somekind of troll lurking around.Cheers. From now on Costa.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Second, as this has come up a couple times recently. If you comment does not appear, that means it was held for moderation. I will approve it (if it doesn&#039;t cuss or involve trade talk), but that only happens when I&#039;m at a computer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Second, as this has come up a couple times recently. If you comment does not appear, that means it was held for moderation. I will approve it (if it doesn&#8217;t cuss or involve trade talk), but that only happens when I&#8217;m at a computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, two losses and people go back to their old, worn out, useless theories around here. Really, this site at times is starting to really frustrate me.

Odom is coming off the bench, he is part of a three big rotation that the Lakers can&#039;t break up, he&#039;s playing nine fewer minutes a game, but people want to throw him under the bus because they need to scapegoat someone for the problems.

And, to be simple, if you think Phil Jackson can&#039;t coach basketball, you don&#039;t know basketball. He is a defense-first coach, HAD TO change how he did things because of changes in the rules, but it comes down to players in the end. 

The problems with the Lakers right now are not going to be solved with a coaching change or a trade. These are internal problems, not ones to be solved externally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, two losses and people go back to their old, worn out, useless theories around here. Really, this site at times is starting to really frustrate me.</p>
<p>Odom is coming off the bench, he is part of a three big rotation that the Lakers can&#8217;t break up, he&#8217;s playing nine fewer minutes a game, but people want to throw him under the bus because they need to scapegoat someone for the problems.</p>
<p>And, to be simple, if you think Phil Jackson can&#8217;t coach basketball, you don&#8217;t know basketball. He is a defense-first coach, HAD TO change how he did things because of changes in the rules, but it comes down to players in the end. </p>
<p>The problems with the Lakers right now are not going to be solved with a coaching change or a trade. These are internal problems, not ones to be solved externally.</p>
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		<title>By: hagsst</title>
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		<dc:creator>hagsst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think his teammates respect his game, but not him as a leader.  There is a difference there.  And it doesn&#039;t matter how much money they make - people have to be managed in the workplace.  It doesn&#039;t matter if they are insurance salesmen or NBA basketball players that make millions.  Like it or not, Kobe is a middle manager of sorts, and I don&#039;t think his management style gets the best out of his guys.

I&#039;m not advocating trading Kobe, or blowing the whole thing up.  The team came so close and I think we can get back there again.  But I&#039;m just trying to get my head around the fact that this team looks lifeless after such an energetic  start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think his teammates respect his game, but not him as a leader.  There is a difference there.  And it doesn&#8217;t matter how much money they make &#8211; people have to be managed in the workplace.  It doesn&#8217;t matter if they are insurance salesmen or NBA basketball players that make millions.  Like it or not, Kobe is a middle manager of sorts, and I don&#8217;t think his management style gets the best out of his guys.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not advocating trading Kobe, or blowing the whole thing up.  The team came so close and I think we can get back there again.  But I&#8217;m just trying to get my head around the fact that this team looks lifeless after such an energetic  start.</p>
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