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		<title>By: Pedro1976</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pedro1976</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 04:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lamar Odom for Baron Davis it makes sense because there is friction between Davis and Dunlevy so the clippers  would get out of the contract and get cap releif  and the Lakers would get  Al Star pg .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lamar Odom for Baron Davis it makes sense because there is friction between Davis and Dunlevy so the clippers  would get out of the contract and get cap releif  and the Lakers would get  Al Star pg .</p>
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		<title>By: lakerjoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>lakerjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 04:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Along the same thoughts of binging JCritt back from Washington why could we simply call-up say Joe Crawford from the D-L rather than giving up one of our bigs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Along the same thoughts of binging JCritt back from Washington why could we simply call-up say Joe Crawford from the D-L rather than giving up one of our bigs?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2008/12/29/lets-talk-trade/comment-page-3/#comment-588933</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we can get both Felton and Wallace from Charlotte for Odom, then we&#039;d be hard-pressed not to take it. That&#039;s two borderline all-stars for a player we&#039;re certainly not going to have next year. The thing is also that with the team under Larry Brown&#039;s stewardship, he&#039;d probably do it (as Larry loves to trade his whole roster).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we can get both Felton and Wallace from Charlotte for Odom, then we&#8217;d be hard-pressed not to take it. That&#8217;s two borderline all-stars for a player we&#8217;re certainly not going to have next year. The thing is also that with the team under Larry Brown&#8217;s stewardship, he&#8217;d probably do it (as Larry loves to trade his whole roster).</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ideally I&#039;d favor only making minor adjustments at the end of the bench. The team as presently constructed has a strong chance at the title and has the highest ceiling of any team in the league. There is no reason with repsect to this year that the Lakers should feel forced to make a trade. Consistency and chemistry are too often overlooked at key factors in a team&#039;s success. 

However, the Lakers must also position themselves for title runs over the next three or four years. And Lamar is not coming back. I appreciate his intentions when he states he&#039;d take less money, but he&#039;ll also be turning down a starting position, more playing time and the certainty of finishing games. As this year progresses and Bynum finishes more  games, Lamar will most likely play the good teammate and accept his role but also increasingly look ahead to other options during the summer. Lamar will not turn down a deal with more money, playing time and prominence (e.g., what if New York offered him even the same money as the Lakers but a starting position and a chance to move home...). With this possibility in mind, and the Lakers championship window open for the next three or four years, the Lakers should be at least seriously considering major trades involving Odom. But... 
The only major deal that makes sense is Odom for Wallace and Felton. The Lakers may be forced to include Farmar, but it would be worth it. The Lakers would get a tough, young, pass first point guard and a versatile forward both with reasonable contracts. The Bobcats are willing to move both these players and would probably accept significant cap space and a young backup point guard. I love Lamar and would be pained to see him leave at any time. But Wallace provides defense, rebounding, athleticism, some inside scoring and constant energy. It fills in many of the gaps left by the loss of Odom and also protects the Lakers if they lose Ariza (in terms of playing time, trading Ariza, Odom and Farmar for Wallace, Powell and Felton makes reasonable sense to me). Also Felton has proven himself as a borderline all star point guard whose passing would fit well within the triangle and whose defense is superior to Farmar&#039;s, and whose contract runs longer (if Farmar asks for starter money, could we/would we keep him?). The Lakers would have a championship nucleus intact and under contract for the length of their current championship window.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ideally I&#8217;d favor only making minor adjustments at the end of the bench. The team as presently constructed has a strong chance at the title and has the highest ceiling of any team in the league. There is no reason with repsect to this year that the Lakers should feel forced to make a trade. Consistency and chemistry are too often overlooked at key factors in a team&#8217;s success. </p>
<p>However, the Lakers must also position themselves for title runs over the next three or four years. And Lamar is not coming back. I appreciate his intentions when he states he&#8217;d take less money, but he&#8217;ll also be turning down a starting position, more playing time and the certainty of finishing games. As this year progresses and Bynum finishes more  games, Lamar will most likely play the good teammate and accept his role but also increasingly look ahead to other options during the summer. Lamar will not turn down a deal with more money, playing time and prominence (e.g., what if New York offered him even the same money as the Lakers but a starting position and a chance to move home&#8230;). With this possibility in mind, and the Lakers championship window open for the next three or four years, the Lakers should be at least seriously considering major trades involving Odom. But&#8230;<br />
The only major deal that makes sense is Odom for Wallace and Felton. The Lakers may be forced to include Farmar, but it would be worth it. The Lakers would get a tough, young, pass first point guard and a versatile forward both with reasonable contracts. The Bobcats are willing to move both these players and would probably accept significant cap space and a young backup point guard. I love Lamar and would be pained to see him leave at any time. But Wallace provides defense, rebounding, athleticism, some inside scoring and constant energy. It fills in many of the gaps left by the loss of Odom and also protects the Lakers if they lose Ariza (in terms of playing time, trading Ariza, Odom and Farmar for Wallace, Powell and Felton makes reasonable sense to me). Also Felton has proven himself as a borderline all star point guard whose passing would fit well within the triangle and whose defense is superior to Farmar&#8217;s, and whose contract runs longer (if Farmar asks for starter money, could we/would we keep him?). The Lakers would have a championship nucleus intact and under contract for the length of their current championship window.</p>
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		<title>By: drrayeye</title>
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		<dc:creator>drrayeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the Lakers acquired Pau Gasol, Lamar&#039;s business value has, unfortunately for him, far surpassed his athletic value.  He&#039;s a &quot;big bucks expiring contract&quot; this year--both to the Lakers and to other teams in the league.

The Lakers big money commitment is to Kobe and Pau, and Laker future big money commitment has already been made to Bynum.  Even though they have made long term commitments to Walton and VladRad, they very much want to resign Trevor.  They&#039;ve signed Sasha long term in the back court, and Fisher is a key veteran.  Just keeping all of these players next year would use up Lamar&#039;s expiring salary--and the Lakers are already 10 million over the cap.

If the Lakers don&#039;t do a salary dump this year for Lamar, they simply can&#039;t afford him next year unless they are willing to start eliminating a number of other players.  Ariza and Mihm, the only other expiring contracts, are a chump change down payment on players the Lakers would give up in exchange for a serious Odom salary next year.

Trades for VladRad or Walton do little or nothing to address this business problem, since it just amounts to trading salaries.

It is almost impossible to imagine Lamar with the Lakers next year.  It makes sense to continue reducing his playing role/time this year as the season progresses in favor of Trevor, Bynum, and others--and that is not good for Lamar&#039;s future in the NBA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the Lakers acquired Pau Gasol, Lamar&#8217;s business value has, unfortunately for him, far surpassed his athletic value.  He&#8217;s a &#8220;big bucks expiring contract&#8221; this year&#8211;both to the Lakers and to other teams in the league.</p>
<p>The Lakers big money commitment is to Kobe and Pau, and Laker future big money commitment has already been made to Bynum.  Even though they have made long term commitments to Walton and VladRad, they very much want to resign Trevor.  They&#8217;ve signed Sasha long term in the back court, and Fisher is a key veteran.  Just keeping all of these players next year would use up Lamar&#8217;s expiring salary&#8211;and the Lakers are already 10 million over the cap.</p>
<p>If the Lakers don&#8217;t do a salary dump this year for Lamar, they simply can&#8217;t afford him next year unless they are willing to start eliminating a number of other players.  Ariza and Mihm, the only other expiring contracts, are a chump change down payment on players the Lakers would give up in exchange for a serious Odom salary next year.</p>
<p>Trades for VladRad or Walton do little or nothing to address this business problem, since it just amounts to trading salaries.</p>
<p>It is almost impossible to imagine Lamar with the Lakers next year.  It makes sense to continue reducing his playing role/time this year as the season progresses in favor of Trevor, Bynum, and others&#8211;and that is not good for Lamar&#8217;s future in the NBA.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New post up, breaking down Odom.</description>
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		<title>By: Swen Nater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swen Nater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see why Kurt asked for people to post trade scenarios - most of what I read here is absurd. 1) who would want Radmanovic? 2) you can&#039;t trade Odom without getting a big in return, and 3) the most desirable type of player for the Lakers, in my opinion, is a grizzled veteran who can put in spot minutes, provide leadership and toughness. I don&#039;t think the Lakers could find PT for Stackhouse, as proposed in comment 98, but I think the idea is good.

The only organization crazy enough to take on Radmanovic might by the Knicks. D&#039;Antoni&#039;s system might make Vlad&#039;s game look respectable again, but I don&#039;t see anything there worth having. WTF is Malik Rose doing these days? A veteran hustle player like him might be good for these young Lakers, but his lack of PT makes me think he is done. 

Also, economic realities are going to really set in by summer. Odom may not play for the Lakers after this season, but no matter where he plays he won&#039;t get a pay raise. The best idea I&#039;ve read here is the prospect of Kobe opting out and taking a paycut so the Lakers have some cap flexibility. No, I don&#039;t suspect he is likely to do so, but with the Lakers&#039; cap situation, it might be the best option for them to retain personnel or attract quality teammates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see why Kurt asked for people to post trade scenarios &#8211; most of what I read here is absurd. 1) who would want Radmanovic? 2) you can&#8217;t trade Odom without getting a big in return, and 3) the most desirable type of player for the Lakers, in my opinion, is a grizzled veteran who can put in spot minutes, provide leadership and toughness. I don&#8217;t think the Lakers could find PT for Stackhouse, as proposed in comment 98, but I think the idea is good.</p>
<p>The only organization crazy enough to take on Radmanovic might by the Knicks. D&#8217;Antoni&#8217;s system might make Vlad&#8217;s game look respectable again, but I don&#8217;t see anything there worth having. WTF is Malik Rose doing these days? A veteran hustle player like him might be good for these young Lakers, but his lack of PT makes me think he is done. </p>
<p>Also, economic realities are going to really set in by summer. Odom may not play for the Lakers after this season, but no matter where he plays he won&#8217;t get a pay raise. The best idea I&#8217;ve read here is the prospect of Kobe opting out and taking a paycut so the Lakers have some cap flexibility. No, I don&#8217;t suspect he is likely to do so, but with the Lakers&#8217; cap situation, it might be the best option for them to retain personnel or attract quality teammates.</p>
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		<title>By: k</title>
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		<dc:creator>k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>east and west all-star starters?</description>
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		<title>By: Craig W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Farmar is not the solution then the time to act is this summer, not now. If the Lakers act now they risk the chemistry that is making the team a title contender. While we fans may want our answers as soon as possible, the team - fortunately - does not operate under the same demands. Sasha may work out well and, if he does, the team will be that much stronger and that much more flexible next summer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Farmar is not the solution then the time to act is this summer, not now. If the Lakers act now they risk the chemistry that is making the team a title contender. While we fans may want our answers as soon as possible, the team &#8211; fortunately &#8211; does not operate under the same demands. Sasha may work out well and, if he does, the team will be that much stronger and that much more flexible next summer.</p>
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		<title>By: k</title>
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		<dc:creator>k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yawwwwn, lets talk something else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yawwwwn, lets talk something else.</p>
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