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		<title>By: drrayeye</title>
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		<dc:creator>drrayeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 10:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darius,

I&#039;m a late read.  I like your analysis very much.  

A factor that you might have emphasized more is experience.  Other than Derek, Luke is the only Laker who has transitioned all the way from the Shaq-Kobe to the Gasol-Kobe era.  He has earned the confidence of the Laker organization to provide leadership and to facilitate.  

I believe that Trevor is, in fact, the starting 3 already--coming off the bench like Manu--but for a completely different purpose.  Luke&#039;s purpose is to keep the Lakers playing as a team from the start--making it easier for Derek, Kobe, Pau and (especially) Andrew to score--providing a reliable defender when it is time to rotate and switch.  As the season progresses, Luke&#039;s shooting will improve--and he&#039;ll hit the clutch 3 when the Lakers need it.  

Luke&#039;s apparent problems on defense may not always be his fault.  Some critics seem to ignore the amount of unnecessary free lancing that leads to missed rotations and easy layups.  Luke may sometimes look wrong because he adheres to a team concept being violated  by his teammates.

I believe that Renato&#039;s suggestion is worth considering:  more situational lineups.  It may well be the case that VladRad will be more appropriate against some opponents--and Luke for others.  

There is still plenty of time to find out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darius,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a late read.  I like your analysis very much.  </p>
<p>A factor that you might have emphasized more is experience.  Other than Derek, Luke is the only Laker who has transitioned all the way from the Shaq-Kobe to the Gasol-Kobe era.  He has earned the confidence of the Laker organization to provide leadership and to facilitate.  </p>
<p>I believe that Trevor is, in fact, the starting 3 already&#8211;coming off the bench like Manu&#8211;but for a completely different purpose.  Luke&#8217;s purpose is to keep the Lakers playing as a team from the start&#8211;making it easier for Derek, Kobe, Pau and (especially) Andrew to score&#8211;providing a reliable defender when it is time to rotate and switch.  As the season progresses, Luke&#8217;s shooting will improve&#8211;and he&#8217;ll hit the clutch 3 when the Lakers need it.  </p>
<p>Luke&#8217;s apparent problems on defense may not always be his fault.  Some critics seem to ignore the amount of unnecessary free lancing that leads to missed rotations and easy layups.  Luke may sometimes look wrong because he adheres to a team concept being violated  by his teammates.</p>
<p>I believe that Renato&#8217;s suggestion is worth considering:  more situational lineups.  It may well be the case that VladRad will be more appropriate against some opponents&#8211;and Luke for others.  </p>
<p>There is still plenty of time to find out.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 04:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>60. I don&#039;t care that he starts Walton because he finishes in games that matter with Ariza. 

As for Kwame and Smush, at the time he didn&#039;t have better options. He didn&#039;t love Kwame, but when he could get Kwame to just rebound and be a big body in the paint, he was useful. There were focus issues that no coach could correct, but Bynum was not ready to start, that was not the Bynum we have now. And, that was not the Farmar we have now either, Smush had the skills to be a good PG but he also had mental issues. When he stayed within the system he could have been a functional backup PG. He just couldn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>60. I don&#8217;t care that he starts Walton because he finishes in games that matter with Ariza. </p>
<p>As for Kwame and Smush, at the time he didn&#8217;t have better options. He didn&#8217;t love Kwame, but when he could get Kwame to just rebound and be a big body in the paint, he was useful. There were focus issues that no coach could correct, but Bynum was not ready to start, that was not the Bynum we have now. And, that was not the Farmar we have now either, Smush had the skills to be a good PG but he also had mental issues. When he stayed within the system he could have been a functional backup PG. He just couldn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 01:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Luke Walton... and besides for offense and defense I think he is a very good player in this league.  But if I have to listen to another announcer wet they&#039;re pants over a simple Luke Walton bounce pass to an open teammate I will swallow a whole bottle of Phil Jackson&#039;s magic mushrooms.  Either Phil  is smart and knows the only way to keep this Lakers team together next year is by trying to trade away Luke&#039;s ludicrous contract by starting him... or maybe coach Jackson is having some acid flashbacks.  After all, this is a coach with 9 rings but its also the coach who started Smush Parker ahead of Jordan Farmar and Sasha Vujacic.  Its the same coach who played Brian Cook heavy minutes off the bench.  Its the same coach who loved Kwame Brown.  Its the same coach who started Luke Walton in the past.  Its the same coach who played Walton over Trevor Ariza in the finals.. even after Ariza dominated the first half of game 4 only to see him not get off the bench in the 2nd half as the Lakers blew a big lead and ultimately the series.  I don&#039;t dislike Luke.  Just like i don&#039;t dislike George W. Bush... I dislike the american people for voting for him.  The media has an obligation to the fans and the franchise to report the facts.  The facts are the Lakers record as well as their offensive efficiency has taken a big hit since Luke has been inserted into the starting lineup.  So until the stats backup your thoughts on how Luke helps the offense I can&#039;t do more then laugh at Walton starting for the most glamorous team in the NBA. And if you think starting one of the worst SF&#039;s in the entire league doesn&#039;t hurt your team because he is only playing in the 1st and 3rd quarters I would like you to please stick to watching the WNBA.  Luke Walton is a awful NBA basketball player in ever facet of the game except passing where he is only a couple notches above solid.  The problem is nobody guards him so the only passes he can make are just to keep the ball moving or to change sides of the floor.  The media needs to hold coach Jackson accountable for his decisions just like Phil holds his players accountable for their performances using the media.  The only way I&#039;m letting Jackson off the hook is if the Lakers are trying to trade Walton (and that will be very hard because nobody would want him in their rotation even if he was making 10 bucks a year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Luke Walton&#8230; and besides for offense and defense I think he is a very good player in this league.  But if I have to listen to another announcer wet they&#8217;re pants over a simple Luke Walton bounce pass to an open teammate I will swallow a whole bottle of Phil Jackson&#8217;s magic mushrooms.  Either Phil  is smart and knows the only way to keep this Lakers team together next year is by trying to trade away Luke&#8217;s ludicrous contract by starting him&#8230; or maybe coach Jackson is having some acid flashbacks.  After all, this is a coach with 9 rings but its also the coach who started Smush Parker ahead of Jordan Farmar and Sasha Vujacic.  Its the same coach who played Brian Cook heavy minutes off the bench.  Its the same coach who loved Kwame Brown.  Its the same coach who started Luke Walton in the past.  Its the same coach who played Walton over Trevor Ariza in the finals.. even after Ariza dominated the first half of game 4 only to see him not get off the bench in the 2nd half as the Lakers blew a big lead and ultimately the series.  I don&#8217;t dislike Luke.  Just like i don&#8217;t dislike George W. Bush&#8230; I dislike the american people for voting for him.  The media has an obligation to the fans and the franchise to report the facts.  The facts are the Lakers record as well as their offensive efficiency has taken a big hit since Luke has been inserted into the starting lineup.  So until the stats backup your thoughts on how Luke helps the offense I can&#8217;t do more then laugh at Walton starting for the most glamorous team in the NBA. And if you think starting one of the worst SF&#8217;s in the entire league doesn&#8217;t hurt your team because he is only playing in the 1st and 3rd quarters I would like you to please stick to watching the WNBA.  Luke Walton is a awful NBA basketball player in ever facet of the game except passing where he is only a couple notches above solid.  The problem is nobody guards him so the only passes he can make are just to keep the ball moving or to change sides of the floor.  The media needs to hold coach Jackson accountable for his decisions just like Phil holds his players accountable for their performances using the media.  The only way I&#8217;m letting Jackson off the hook is if the Lakers are trying to trade Walton (and that will be very hard because nobody would want him in their rotation even if he was making 10 bucks a year.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jazz preview up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jazz preview up.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God bless fanhouse for that KG piece. He&#039;s totally annoying, plays for the cameras and has the &quot;We&#039;ll believe anything&quot; Boston crowd eating out of his hands with the bogus &quot;I&#039;ll will my team to victory by yelling and mugging for the camera&quot; crap.

How&#039;d that work out for you in Minnesota, big guy? No wonder Ainge likes KG so much -- they&#039;re both overrated whiners who only won titles because they were surrounded by better players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God bless fanhouse for that KG piece. He&#8217;s totally annoying, plays for the cameras and has the &#8220;We&#8217;ll believe anything&#8221; Boston crowd eating out of his hands with the bogus &#8220;I&#8217;ll will my team to victory by yelling and mugging for the camera&#8221; crap.</p>
<p>How&#8217;d that work out for you in Minnesota, big guy? No wonder Ainge likes KG so much &#8212; they&#8217;re both overrated whiners who only won titles because they were surrounded by better players.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone else see lots of holes in the ESPN story on Marbury? Lots of unnamed sources and assumptions - if this was as far along as the story claims, wouldn&#039;t there be a bit more meat to the details?

For argument&#039;s sake, if he does go to Boston, I don&#039;t think he makes much of an improvement. The J.R. Rider example given earlier was a good one. I&#039;d have been more upset had they landed a big man, such as Deke or P.J. Brown again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone else see lots of holes in the ESPN story on Marbury? Lots of unnamed sources and assumptions &#8211; if this was as far along as the story claims, wouldn&#8217;t there be a bit more meat to the details?</p>
<p>For argument&#8217;s sake, if he does go to Boston, I don&#8217;t think he makes much of an improvement. The J.R. Rider example given earlier was a good one. I&#8217;d have been more upset had they landed a big man, such as Deke or P.J. Brown again.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off topic, but if you want something to watch while I&#039;m finishing the Jazz preview, check this out:

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/01/02/kevin-garnett-profile-in-courage/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic, but if you want something to watch while I&#8217;m finishing the Jazz preview, check this out:</p>
<p><a href="http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/01/02/kevin-garnett-profile-in-courage/" rel="nofollow">http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/01/02/kevin-garnett-profile-in-courage/</a></p>
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		<title>By: exhelodrvr</title>
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		<dc:creator>exhelodrvr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>51, Gerrit,

The difference is that he is older now, and knows that this gig won&#039;t last forever. I think that will overpower his ego for a few months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>51, Gerrit,</p>
<p>The difference is that he is older now, and knows that this gig won&#8217;t last forever. I think that will overpower his ego for a few months.</p>
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		<title>By: the other Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>the other Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>9.  &quot;Luke’s contributions are subtle and not conducive to sportscenter highlights, so we often overlook them.&quot;

on the contrary, i think his passes lead to the best of sportscenter highlights.  i still shiver when i think of that one fastbreak last season against miami.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>9.  &#8220;Luke’s contributions are subtle and not conducive to sportscenter highlights, so we often overlook them.&#8221;</p>
<p>on the contrary, i think his passes lead to the best of sportscenter highlights.  i still shiver when i think of that one fastbreak last season against miami.</p>
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		<title>By: TRad</title>
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		<dc:creator>TRad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@50

Gerrit, Berry doesn&#039;t say Rodman was better than Jordan. He could at most say that Rodman was more productive. Which, probably, isn&#039;t true. But is this enough to call Barri&#039;s ideas &quot;utter nonsense&quot;? I disagree.

Re: Marbury in Celtics. I&#039;d love it. It&#039;s not that Marbury is a cancer (which is true). It&#039;s that Marbury isn&#039;t a good basketball player anymore. His FG% for the last two seasons: .415, .419.

FT% for the last four seasons: .834, .755, .769, .716.

His assists/per36 for the last five seasons: 8.0, 7.3, 6.3, 5.3, 5.1 (do we see a trend or what?).

He&#039;s rebounding and blocking is non-existant. For the last three seasons his ORtg is lower than DRtg.

&quot;Accomplished&quot;??? What did he accomplish in the NBA? He was and is overhyped and overpaid. I&#039;d love to see Marbury in Celtics - it&#039;d be a great example of subtraction by addition.

On the second thought: I&#039;d rather play in the finals against Celtics instead of Cavaliers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@50</p>
<p>Gerrit, Berry doesn&#8217;t say Rodman was better than Jordan. He could at most say that Rodman was more productive. Which, probably, isn&#8217;t true. But is this enough to call Barri&#8217;s ideas &#8220;utter nonsense&#8221;? I disagree.</p>
<p>Re: Marbury in Celtics. I&#8217;d love it. It&#8217;s not that Marbury is a cancer (which is true). It&#8217;s that Marbury isn&#8217;t a good basketball player anymore. His FG% for the last two seasons: .415, .419.</p>
<p>FT% for the last four seasons: .834, .755, .769, .716.</p>
<p>His assists/per36 for the last five seasons: 8.0, 7.3, 6.3, 5.3, 5.1 (do we see a trend or what?).</p>
<p>He&#8217;s rebounding and blocking is non-existant. For the last three seasons his ORtg is lower than DRtg.</p>
<p>&#8220;Accomplished&#8221;??? What did he accomplish in the NBA? He was and is overhyped and overpaid. I&#8217;d love to see Marbury in Celtics &#8211; it&#8217;d be a great example of subtraction by addition.</p>
<p>On the second thought: I&#8217;d rather play in the finals against Celtics instead of Cavaliers.</p>
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