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		<title>By: Memorable</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/01/08/lessons-in-losing/comment-page-2/#comment-590553</link>
		<dc:creator>Memorable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel,
While I completely agree with your points, I think there is one thing worth mentioning. I don&#039;t want to overlook the possibility, given that the signing was 2 or so days after the email, that there is malicious intent involved on the Grizzlies&#039; behalf. Obviously, it seems unlikely; however, if Portland lawyers somehow get their hands on an email specifically mentioning screwing Portland over, they could  build a case around that, which would be almost as bad for the NBA as the ref scandal during the finals last year.

PS Isn&#039;t it ironic that every time I think of Donagehy (or however you spell the ref who took money), I see an image of the Illinois mayor in my head? Too much SNL....

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel,<br />
While I completely agree with your points, I think there is one thing worth mentioning. I don&#8217;t want to overlook the possibility, given that the signing was 2 or so days after the email, that there is malicious intent involved on the Grizzlies&#8217; behalf. Obviously, it seems unlikely; however, if Portland lawyers somehow get their hands on an email specifically mentioning screwing Portland over, they could  build a case around that, which would be almost as bad for the NBA as the ref scandal during the finals last year.</p>
<p>PS Isn&#8217;t it ironic that every time I think of Donagehy (or however you spell the ref who took money), I see an image of the Illinois mayor in my head? Too much SNL&#8230;.</p>
<p>Alex S</p>
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		<title>By: Chris G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;you can’t have a team play with maximized effort and energy for two straight seasons and 200+ games&quot;

what about the chicago bulls, 141-23 over the first two seasons of their second three-peat? they broke the record for regular season wins with 72, then came back the next year and tied what had been the previous record with 69 (and lost three of the last four regular season games).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you can’t have a team play with maximized effort and energy for two straight seasons and 200+ games&#8221;</p>
<p>what about the chicago bulls, 141-23 over the first two seasons of their second three-peat? they broke the record for regular season wins with 72, then came back the next year and tied what had been the previous record with 69 (and lost three of the last four regular season games).</p>
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		<title>By: rhybread</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhybread</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@84 The first game of the 00/01 Playoffs (Lakers went 15-1 in the post season) Kobe hung over 40 points for sure. I don&#039;t remember the exact number.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@84 The first game of the 00/01 Playoffs (Lakers went 15-1 in the post season) Kobe hung over 40 points for sure. I don&#8217;t remember the exact number.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#80 - No, I understand perfectly the distinctions being made in the Blazers &quot;memo heard &#039;round the world&quot; ... I just find them to be disingenuous and transparent.

Kurt and Snoopy already said it well, but the bottom line is that Portland claimed Miles was medically unable to play basketball (okay, an independent physician made the diagnosis, but you get my point) ... that his injury was career ending and that essentially he was no longer capable of running up and down an NBA basketball court.  Thing is, it turned out that wasn&#039;t the case.

The Blazers signed Miles to that contract, and it&#039;s only fair that they have to wait for it to come off their cap, just like any other team that makes a bad signing.  They are engaging in behavior that is borderline illegal, practically immoral, and altogether devoid of class (and good sense).

The worst part is, they don&#039;t need to resort to such desperate actions!  They may have to pay some luxury taxes as a result of this, sure, but Portland is already loaded with young talent and set up for the future with or without the additional salary flexibility.  They ... and their fans ... should have been happy with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#80 &#8211; No, I understand perfectly the distinctions being made in the Blazers &#8220;memo heard &#8217;round the world&#8221; &#8230; I just find them to be disingenuous and transparent.</p>
<p>Kurt and Snoopy already said it well, but the bottom line is that Portland claimed Miles was medically unable to play basketball (okay, an independent physician made the diagnosis, but you get my point) &#8230; that his injury was career ending and that essentially he was no longer capable of running up and down an NBA basketball court.  Thing is, it turned out that wasn&#8217;t the case.</p>
<p>The Blazers signed Miles to that contract, and it&#8217;s only fair that they have to wait for it to come off their cap, just like any other team that makes a bad signing.  They are engaging in behavior that is borderline illegal, practically immoral, and altogether devoid of class (and good sense).</p>
<p>The worst part is, they don&#8217;t need to resort to such desperate actions!  They may have to pay some luxury taxes as a result of this, sure, but Portland is already loaded with young talent and set up for the future with or without the additional salary flexibility.  They &#8230; and their fans &#8230; should have been happy with that.</p>
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		<title>By: wondahbap</title>
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		<dc:creator>wondahbap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw Miles in person in the preseason , and I don&#039;t see how he could help any team.  I felt bad for him.  I don&#039;t agree with the Blazers&#039; tactic, but I can understand how they feel there&#039;s no way he can make an NBA team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw Miles in person in the preseason , and I don&#8217;t see how he could help any team.  I felt bad for him.  I don&#8217;t agree with the Blazers&#8217; tactic, but I can understand how they feel there&#8217;s no way he can make an NBA team.</p>
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		<title>By: wondahbap</title>
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		<dc:creator>wondahbap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chibi,

Regarding your counter points.

1.  The reason the Celtics are struggling now is because House and Cassell aren&#039;t viable options.  House is NOT a PG and Cassell is washed up.

3.  The fact that the Celtics had those players under Doc and were that bad just goes to show that Doc didn&#039;t do a good job coaching or developing youth.  West is a vital player for Cleveland and supposedly Jefferson was good enough to validate trading KG for (not really). 

Two other thoughts.  

Jefferson is merely offensively superior to Perk.  That&#039;s it.

We&#039;ll see Doc&#039;s tutelage with how or if he can bring along Gabe Pruitt.  The Celtics have no other option right now, but to use him.  Popovich has worked George Hill into the line-up nicely.  Can Doc?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chibi,</p>
<p>Regarding your counter points.</p>
<p>1.  The reason the Celtics are struggling now is because House and Cassell aren&#8217;t viable options.  House is NOT a PG and Cassell is washed up.</p>
<p>3.  The fact that the Celtics had those players under Doc and were that bad just goes to show that Doc didn&#8217;t do a good job coaching or developing youth.  West is a vital player for Cleveland and supposedly Jefferson was good enough to validate trading KG for (not really). </p>
<p>Two other thoughts.  </p>
<p>Jefferson is merely offensively superior to Perk.  That&#8217;s it.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see Doc&#8217;s tutelage with how or if he can bring along Gabe Pruitt.  The Celtics have no other option right now, but to use him.  Popovich has worked George Hill into the line-up nicely.  Can Doc?</p>
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		<title>By: Snoopy2006</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snoopy2006</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>84 - That&#039;s awful, I had no idea people could get this serious. I remember going to a Bulls game during the Jordan era (I was only 10) and hearing curse words being thrown around I had never heard before. Paying a certain amount of money for a ticket doesn&#039;t give you the right to act how you want to act. Fanhood is one thing, but taking it to the point of cursing your child or throwing beer is insane. Keep on fighting the good fight. 

82 - I have to admit, I&#039;m puzzled. Portland has a savvy FO, and they&#039;d know they couldn&#039;t prove intent, and they should also have known that email wouldn&#039;t deter anyone. I&#039;m wondering if there&#039;s a hidden motive, something we&#039;re not seeing. Or they simply got greedy and made a colossal mistake. 

Henry at Truehoop said it best. Miles can play. He should not be medically retired. He should be on Portland&#039;s cap. It&#039;s that simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>84 &#8211; That&#8217;s awful, I had no idea people could get this serious. I remember going to a Bulls game during the Jordan era (I was only 10) and hearing curse words being thrown around I had never heard before. Paying a certain amount of money for a ticket doesn&#8217;t give you the right to act how you want to act. Fanhood is one thing, but taking it to the point of cursing your child or throwing beer is insane. Keep on fighting the good fight. </p>
<p>82 &#8211; I have to admit, I&#8217;m puzzled. Portland has a savvy FO, and they&#8217;d know they couldn&#8217;t prove intent, and they should also have known that email wouldn&#8217;t deter anyone. I&#8217;m wondering if there&#8217;s a hidden motive, something we&#8217;re not seeing. Or they simply got greedy and made a colossal mistake. </p>
<p>Henry at Truehoop said it best. Miles can play. He should not be medically retired. He should be on Portland&#8217;s cap. It&#8217;s that simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I don&#039;t think SA is at our level, I don&#039;t begrudge anyone who points out that Manu was hurt, just like I point out that we didn&#039;t have AB or Ariza. SA is a significant threat with their three mainstays healthy. I just think we&#039;re better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I don&#8217;t think SA is at our level, I don&#8217;t begrudge anyone who points out that Manu was hurt, just like I point out that we didn&#8217;t have AB or Ariza. SA is a significant threat with their three mainstays healthy. I just think we&#8217;re better.</p>
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		<title>By: Gr8 Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gr8 Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>83 

I agree completely. The fans hate Fish because he&#039;s ripped their hearts out twice. The animosity towards our Lakers, though, is unreal - only Cowtown comes close. I&#039;ve had people throw beer on me, curse my son, ushers don&#039;t acknowledge you, etc. Most of the time, I don&#039;t have a problem with it, but it always help when we win. I&#039;d love to see Kobe drop 40 and we roll to victory of the Spurs. The Spurs are the ONLY team he&#039;s never hit up for 40 - ever. I&#039;ve seen every Laker visit here in SA for the past 10 years and it just hasn&#039;t been the same since the Spurs moved into the AT&amp;T center. Kobe &amp; Co. used to love playing in front of crowds of 40,000+, but the current arena is a concrete dump.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>83 </p>
<p>I agree completely. The fans hate Fish because he&#8217;s ripped their hearts out twice. The animosity towards our Lakers, though, is unreal &#8211; only Cowtown comes close. I&#8217;ve had people throw beer on me, curse my son, ushers don&#8217;t acknowledge you, etc. Most of the time, I don&#8217;t have a problem with it, but it always help when we win. I&#8217;d love to see Kobe drop 40 and we roll to victory of the Spurs. The Spurs are the ONLY team he&#8217;s never hit up for 40 &#8211; ever. I&#8217;ve seen every Laker visit here in SA for the past 10 years and it just hasn&#8217;t been the same since the Spurs moved into the AT&amp;T center. Kobe &amp; Co. used to love playing in front of crowds of 40,000+, but the current arena is a concrete dump.</p>
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		<title>By: Snoopy2006</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snoopy2006</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sasha is almost as hated as Kobe, by every basketball fan I know. There&#039;s something about him that irritates everyone. Of course, he shoots off his mouth a decent amount and has a tendency to pound his chest after hitting a simple jumpshot, so to be honest I can see why he grates people the wrong way. 

Fish isn&#039;t that maligned, most of the league respects him. In SA it seems like he&#039;s most hated for basketball-related heroics, not personality issues. That always happens in close losses. And the fans in Utah (the ones who booed him, not all of them), we don&#039;t even need to get into. 


Looks like Dan Gilbert fired back at the Blazers. I&#039;d have to say I&#039;m surprised Cuban hasn&#039;t spoken up yet. Unless he&#039;s picking Miles up from the airport...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sasha is almost as hated as Kobe, by every basketball fan I know. There&#8217;s something about him that irritates everyone. Of course, he shoots off his mouth a decent amount and has a tendency to pound his chest after hitting a simple jumpshot, so to be honest I can see why he grates people the wrong way. </p>
<p>Fish isn&#8217;t that maligned, most of the league respects him. In SA it seems like he&#8217;s most hated for basketball-related heroics, not personality issues. That always happens in close losses. And the fans in Utah (the ones who booed him, not all of them), we don&#8217;t even need to get into. </p>
<p>Looks like Dan Gilbert fired back at the Blazers. I&#8217;d have to say I&#8217;m surprised Cuban hasn&#8217;t spoken up yet. Unless he&#8217;s picking Miles up from the airport&#8230;?</p>
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