Preview & Chat: The New York Knicks

Kurt —  February 2, 2009

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Records: Lakers 37-9 (1st in the West) Knicks 21-25 (9th in the East, half a game out)
Offensive ratings: Lakers 114.2 (1st in league) Knicks 106.9 (17th in league)
Defensive ratings: Lakers 105.0 (6th in league) Knicks 108.9 (18th in league)
Projected Starting Lineups: Lakers: Derek Fisher, Kobe Bryant, Luke Walton, Lamar Odom, Pau Gasol
Knicks Chris Duhon, Quentin Richardson, David Lee, Al Harrington, Jared Jeffries

Andrew Bynum Out 2-3 Months: He tore his MCL, which means he will be out two to three months, according to reports coming out now.

First, our thoughts have to go out to Drew, who must feel terrible right now. He is a young kid and this must be a blow to his psyche. I hope he bounces back.

This means he will be back sometime in April, the Lakers have games through April 14 so it would be nice to get Bynum back for a couple of those games before the end of the season rolling into the playoffs. But after last season, I think we all understand that Bynum time moves slower than regular time (a line borrowed from Timothy Varner at 48 Minutes of Hell).

Frankly, the Lakers can get through the first couple rounds without Drew but this cracks the door a little for San Antonio, and I certainly want him back for any potential Finals matchup. But all we can do now is wait, which is the hardest part someone once said.

Something to read for fun:I did an interview with about the Lakers, and this blog. Check it out.

Also, just for the record, my favorite moment from the entire Super Bowl was when Bruce tried to do a slide on his knees up to a camera man on the side of the stage and just plowed into the guy.

The Knicks Coming In: Fun week for the Knicks: Lakers tonight, Cavs on Wednesday and Celtics on Friday.

The Knicks are playing well right now, having won seven of their last 10. David Lee has been the man leading the way — the guy D’Antoni didn’t think would fit his system at the start of the year is working out well. In the last 10 games he is averaging 19 points shooting 55% and is grabbing 14 boards a game. Al Harrington and Chris Duhon also have had big games recently.

The question on the Knicks going into this season was how much could Mike D’Antoni really get out of a mis-matched roster. Well, a fair amount, and Mike over at Knickerblogger is pretty happy with what D’Antoni has done:

Some, if not all, of you may not agree about the Knicks playing the best basketball they can play at the moment. I think they are because I can’t see any better production from this roster. Four of the nine players in the rotation – Harrington, Chandler, Richardson and Thomas – are all wildcards on any given night but overall they’re performing at the level I expect offensively. And with the Knicks already jumping up seven spots in defensive efficiency from last season, it’s doubtful that they make any more significant improvements before season’s end. Basically, I think this roster is maxed which is a compliment to Mike D’Antoni. He’s taken this roster to twenty wins and is one spot shy of the eighth seed in the East this early. Before the season, I didn’t think that was possible.

Keys To The Game: This is one game where being without Bynum will not be felt quite as much — not only are the Lakers still considerably longer than the Knicks in the front court but also Lamar Odom was a huge problem for the Knicks when these teams met in December. Having him start is not a bad thing.

Pound the ball inside. Not only are the Lakers taller, their front line is far more skilled than the Knicks. This is not a team going to go physical on the Lakers, so Gasol and Odom (and Kobe, Quinton can’t cover him) need to get the ball on the block and score easy buckets. Get to the line, get a team with a shallow bench in foul trouble.

Transition defense. Transition defense. Transition defense. Transition defense. Transition defense. Transition defense. Transition defense. I don’t think we can say this enough. Not only do the Knicks run you have to pick up a man in transition because they love the PUJIT. Gasol has to run with the Knicks bigs. Transition defense. Transition defense. Transition defense.

One way to slow fast breaking teams is to make them work and punish them on the offensive glass. With the Lakers height advantage they should be able to do this.

Where you can watch: 4:30 p.m.,, KCAL 9 here in Los Angeles and League Pass and the usual spots nationally.

245 responses to Preview & Chat: The New York Knicks

  1. So, how do you adjust your shot when you have one finger that has recently been dislocated, another that is torn with bone attached, to hit 20 FTs in a row as well as shoot nearly 60% from the field?

    And poor Pau, he’s got 31 pts and 14 rebounds, as well as a few blocks and assists, but was outscored by 30. Still, scored more than anyone on the Knicks, I think.

  2. Disapointing…Kobe was 20 shy of his record…just pitiful. Ok ok ok, even I have to admit…amazing

  3. Also remember for that last 3:00 or so, the Lakers allowed the Knicks to basically score at will, so a 20 pt deficit when to 9 fairly fast. When Kobe went out especially, our guys’ defensive effort when to about zero.

  4. i dont know how ill watch basketball after kobe is gone…. everything else will just be blah

  5. yeah me too. wish i had seen that show. give and take what is due, i appreciate kobe (and pau to an extent) making a statement tonight and i hope he does that thing in the playoffs against the likes of boston and cleveland. i do hope we could have balanced lines every night but come on? kobe will have to deliver at some stretches. just look at this…we won by just 9. a win nonetheless and a 3-0 start is fine. now to rest and show some in cleveland and boston (or is it the other way around?). i do agree that a big man pickup is needed (but who to pick?) and lo need not be traded (for we need his versatility, chemistry with pau and overdue promise right now. a 16-11 line from him night in and out is fine by me). the bench is far more experienced and remains loaded. i have a good feeling surprises are underway. powell can and should shine. so does chris. our points have to do better though. the sun still shines in LA. Go Lakers!

  6. Some of you just have to nit pick. You have to realize that Kobe know when he can have games like this, and when he can’t.

    Tonight was a game he could. It’s a road game against a team they should beat easy (and did). It’s typically games like this where we come out flat. Not to mention, there’s an element to professional basketball (especially at Kobe’s caliber) that we could never fully understand. So, he had 0 rebs and 3 assists. He was still awfully good tonight.

  7. Know what Kobe’s per-48 scoring number is for this game?


  8. Kobe and Pau totals for 92 points. Wow.

  9. The problem with having Kobe on the Lakers, is that a typical LA fan like myself just gets used to this kind of performance. I don’t want to think of watching a Basketball game without seeing him nightly. I guess the bad fingers are not slowing him down, huh.

  10. Kobe’s performance tonight was merely AVG= Another Vintage Game.

  11. The Lakers savior until Bynum comes back: Chris Mihm!

    I think Kobe was trying to send a message to the rest of the league today by going supernova. He wants everyone to know that number 8 can come back anytime he wants. Seriously, how insane is 61 pts in 37 minutes?!?! I can’t even do that in NBA 2k9.

  12. I think a few (handful) of players in NBA can score 40 points in one game if they got enough shots and was in a zone. The difference with Kobe, MJ, Lebron, Wilt, and Elgin were that they can score 40 points a night if they choose to. Of course, it doesn’t translate into winning games. What’s so amazing about Kobe is that he can turn it on or off whenever he wants to. You know that he wanted to make a statement to the league and the team tonight. By scoring 61 at the garden, he’s declaring that HE WILL NOT LET THEM FALTER with Bynum gone with injury. He’s being the LEADER the team needs him to be. It’s also nice to have a sidekick who can also chip in 31 points. I know that we’ll have tougher time, but the Lakers will not allow Bynum’s injury as an excuse if they don’t win it all this year. They will use it as battle horn signifying the beginning of the crusade to the top of NBA!

  13. i was at this game. it was insane. i don’t know if it was a referendum on the state of the knicks or the state of the lakers that there were easily more kobe fans in the building than there were knicks fans…

  14. the suns are ripping the kings 103 – 55 with a minute left in the 3rd wow

  15. 212,

    Marc Stein was right. The Kings are the NBA’s “feel good” team. If you’re on a losing streak, have chemistry problems, or whatever, you face the Kings, crush them, and get back to business. Good thing for the Suns after they had their closed door meeting about the makeup of the team.

    That said, I don’t think this rule applies to us, as our games against the Kings earlier this season demonstrated 🙁

  16. well the kings no matter how bad they are doing seem to play the lakers hard all the time, sigh

  17. Whoo! I love it when Kobe refuses to pass the ball! What a player! Greatest player ever!

  18. See comment #61. Kinda prophetic, huh? 🙂

    Watching Kobe on nights like tonight is like watching a Baryshnikov ballet, reading Things Fall Apart and watching Denzel Washington in “Training Day” at the SAME TIME. Beautiful, deep yet cutthroat…

  19. PB – Can we not put Lebron in that category of -scorers- yet? Not saying he won’t get there but he doesn’t have any real body of work in that department yet.

    Being put in with Elgin etc you really need to have demonstrated more than Lebron has yet. Agent Zero, Tmac etc all have similar or better -scoring- resumes.

    This isn’t an argument Kobe v Lebron, I couldn’t care less, but its just a statement that Kobe, Elgin, MJ etc did what they did over a long period of time. Let Lebron get there himself, like we all know he will, before we throw him around with those names. Lebron himself wouldn’t feel comfortable with that kind of praise.

  20. The scary part about Kobe to me is that after watching him for so long, its not difficult to tell that he’s going to explode. For other guys, they get hot and you think “oh man, he could go for 50!” But with Kobe, you see his face in the first minute, after only one shot, and you just know he’s having a big night.

  21. Kobe was just reminding the rest of the league that he is still Kobe.

    No one is safe when he is feeling it.

    He is one of the few players in the history of the league that cannot be stopped. Single high with help. Doubles, Pressing, Fouling, Tripling… he is relentless and precise and fearless.

    The Laker fans are blessed to have had a handful of players like that (Mikan, Kareem, Magic, Shaq, Wilt) but no one, no one, is on par with Kobe.

    He has almost limitless moves, and angles, and shots.

    He can penetrate, shoot off of screens, create of the dribble, finish strong in traffic, fade away, spins and up and unders.

    Short of tackling him, forget it.

    And if you tackle him, he hits both and comes right back at you.

    Love to watch him play…

  22. harold wrote “Kobe’s the best scorer ever with 8 good fingers on their shooting hand.”

    ahhhh…. I think I know what you meant, but wow! Actually this brought up thoughts of “The Princes Bride” for me and the six fingered man. Do you think that gave him an advantage in sword fighting? extra leverage perhaps? anyway…

    They said this was the record for points at THIS MSG (Garden IV apparently). The record for any was Baylor’s 71. So we now have 2 Lakers with the highest point games on a Knicks court (Fantastic!)

    I believe we will be ok with Bynum out. I hope for him a speedy (and full) recovery. I’m not sure I trust the 8-12 weeks though. I think it might be longer since he took longer than expected last year and with the injury during his senior year of HS. Unless the 8-12 weeks already includes his personally longer recovery time. That would be interesting to find out.

  23. Personally, I think Kobe read Kurt’s interview at and got a little po’ed. Kurt needs to do more interviews where he calls Lebron the MVP so Lakers get more treats like tonight.

  24. Hrm, yeah, didn’t mean that he had 8 fingers on his right hand. That would not be right.

    The thing with Kobe is that he can shoot. As he gets older, he can still be successful becoming a Reggie Miller type shooter, and if he decides to milk his career, become somebody like Steve Kerr. He could probably play THAT role well into his 40s, even.

    It’s sometimes mindboggling to realize that his highlights are mostly body-controlled jumpshots – who else has as many J highlights, really? Sure he has his share of alley oops and dunks (I still remember one where he soared to get the ball from Fisher or Luke) but this guy’s game is built to last a while, built on a solid jumper that has range.

  25. Yea, I just read the 5 on 5 interview also just now, and Kurt you say it how you feel, that’s good, go ahead and piss us off. Keep it up and maybe Kobe will beat his 81 this year or have a quadruple double.

    “Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.” – Helen Keller

  26. Paul Forrester bashed kobe’s 61 point performance as some ominous me-first sign that Kobe is taking this on himself and ignores open teammates while only having a puny 3 assists (which apparently is puny only when scores 60 or points and when one is in the 20’s its ok…). He also mentioned a couple of completely untrue and unfair comments about how the celtics as well as lebron showed that a little defense makes kobe completely useless.

    First off on the lebron comment. He said that lebron showed last week that good individual defense makes kobe useless and that only the saving graces of kobe’s teammates made the lakers win.

    1. Lebron barely guarded kobe. So this alone makes Forrester a poor journalist.

    2. Kobe way outplayed lebron when it came to offensive stats (points, assists, fg%: ). This is despite the fact that this doesn’t take into account fast break situations where beating individual defense gives out to team defense and speed so therefore such an analysis doesn’t apply.

    3. It was completely apparent to any reasonable basketball analyzer that kobe was far more efficient and effective in the half court offense using his teammates, setting them up as well as creating good opportunities for himself. Lebron on the other hand was (and is) a more effective rebounder and fast break player (due to his shear size combined with length and linear speed).

    4. The fact that lebron leads the league in fast break points is a double edge sword when it comes to his half court efficiency. It signifies that his rather comparable offensive numbers lose shooting % and point totals when it comes to a pure half court pick-you-apart game. (note: this is not to diminish the value of lebron as a player but merely highlight the different positive and negative attributes of his game, which is outstanding, compared to another outstanding player).

    5. The point is that Forrester is completely wrong and both a poor basketball analyst as well as a poor journalist.

    Now about the finals…

    How bout turning the whole passing thing on its head and having a couple useful teammates (such as the clevand game or many others where kobe racked up assists) makes attempting smothering defense on one to be unnamed superstar useless. Its easy to triple team someone when his teammates can’t make squat. It doesn’t work so well when they are hitting open threes at a 40% clip.

  27. bynum only has a partial tear(grade II) and not a complete tear (grade III)

  28. #218 – I read your comment earlier and couldn’t help but think “he may be right”…

    MVP!!! MVP!!! MVP!!!!

    I love a comment I heard that begged the question of whether or not the number of Kobe fans in attendance was a credit to the Lakers and Kobe’s popularity, or due to a lack of NY Knicks support because of their current position. I like to think Kobe’s greatness is the reason…

  29. 227. I saw that tonight in further reserach, and meant to say something. Sorry for the mistake earlier.

    228. Say what you will about them, but I think Knicks fans are some of the smartest basketball fans out there. (Notice I said fans, not ownership or management.) They have a real passion and understanding of the game. And they like to be entertained. Kobe brought all that to the table, and they thanked him for it.

  30. @ 225, if only there was a precedent of a star SG who later in his career relied more on his jump shot and eventually the fade away in the low post and helped his team win a few championships. 😉

    With Bynum out, time for Kobe to spend more time down low as well?

  31. Aren’t the hardcore fans priced out in MSG just like in Staples though? Everyone in the first 5 rows outside of Spike Lee was a trophy wife or a wall streeter putting his bailout money to good use

    ..and I’ll still put up LA against other city in terms of basketball passion. 90% of the commenters at FBG more or less prove it

  32. woohoo, that was vintage kobe. he is still as good as he was 3/4 years ago. maybe he is even better. at the beginning of the season, people started writing him off a bit. hollinger did it, some hoopsworld dudes did it. mostly they said he could not go to the rack as explosive anymore. simmons said kobe needs to develope a fadeawy jay (as if he could not stroke it off-balanced) or he would decline rapidly. they are simply wrong. i think we will see the same kobe, as we saw last year and he has even more gas in the tank, because he had some rest in the first 30 games. he will climb up the mvp ranks again, because he is still better than lebron, he just is, come on, we know it.

    i think he feels guilty for crashing into drew and he will carry the load from now on. throw in a little pau, lamar, mihm and ariza and you can see that we are heading to the finals again!
    i personaly think that andrew will be back come playoff time. i am a believer!

    keep smiling guys. andrew bynum will be around for the next 15 years, propably. so lets just focus on the now!

  33. 226

    Someone always trots out the same cliches and BS whenever Kobe has a big scoring night. (Lakers win more when Kobe shoots less, yadda, yadda, yadda…) It’s amazing how a 3-time champion who has been to the finals 5 times and missed the playoffs once still needs to ‘prove’ to some random journalist that he can trust his teammates. You can still get easy fodder for a story using that tired angle.

    With that being said, saying LeBron ‘neutralized’ Kobe isn’t even a cliche, it’s a blatant lie and shows how lazy Forrester was in writing that column.

  34. I think we just have to accept that Kobe is the most polarising figure in sports today. As many people love to see him win as they do see him lose. We just have to enjoy watching him play while we have the chance and hope he gets a few more championships!

    Anyway like Kurt said, the Knicks fans are great, they wouldn’t lie about what they saw last night and they clearly enjoyed it. Personally haven’t seen the game yet but am looking forward to it…

  35. The gloom and doom in Lakerdom surrounding Andrew’s injury is premature and misplaced–just as it was last year.

    Rather than a disaster, we may come to see Andrew’s injury as an unfortunate detour. This event may even have increased the prospects of a Laker championship this year. At the very least, it might be an opportunity to appreciate the Laker team and organization in a deeper way.

    The race for “best record” is far from over, even considering the many road games and the loss of Andrew for the Lakers. Injuries and matchups are issues both in the Western and the Eastern Conference. The Lakers have an advantage in that it is easier to win in the West. In addition, the Lakers only need to face Boston, Orlando, and Cleveland twice (they’re 2-2 so far); the Eastern Conference leaders must face each other 4 times.

    We must consider that all teams have injuries–not just the Lakers. The Leprechaun swoon coincided with shoulder injuries to Perkins. Cleveland is without their center. Orlando just lost Jameer Nelson.

    The key concept we must appreciate with the Lakers is “redundancy”–the team has selected, developed and financially supported unusual depth: more outstanding players than available playing time. Compared to last year, Lamar has been playing reduced minutes, Luke and Vladimir have been playing reduced minutes. Mihm virtually none, and Mbenga has been rarely even able to suit up. Turiaff has been replaced by Powell, who has gone from a starter with the Clippers to spectator with the Lakers.

    The price of diminished minutes is rusty performance. With injuries, though, redundancy can reveal a different team that actually outperforms the “healthy” team as forgotten players with renewed playing time take on new roles.

    The clearest example of this last year was the Houston Rockets, who went on a WINNING streak after they lost Yao Ming for the season. This year, with a healthy Yao, the Rockets seem unable to recapture that chemistry with apparently much better players.

    The Lakers were similar to last year’s Rockets–but they found their redundant player through a trade for Pau Gasol. Unlike the Rockets, however, the Lakers were able to reestablish chemistry with the return of Andrew (and Trevor).

    With the loss of Andrew for much of the remaining season (at least), the Lakers will become a different team. Scouting plans by opponents will have to be rethought. How different and in what way remains to be seen.

    If the Lakers “stand pat,” they are likely to use Lamar at the power forward and Pau at Center. Presumably, Mihm could back up Pau, and Powell could back up Lamar.

    The Lakers might look for another “big.”

    I’m not aware of any veteran “bigs” available as free agents, but I could imagine several potentially available in trade that could step right in. The most interesting (to me) would be Marc Gasol, with the Grizz. Given the Grizz season record, they may be looking for salary dumps. If Marc came to the Lakers, brother Pau might be available to remain at power forward under more circumstances. I don’t think anyone thinks Marc is “soft.”

    This new/old Laker team might not be as offensive without Drew, so they would have to do better switching and better transition defense. We got a glimpse of that when the Laker D (with Chris Mihm and no Bynum) only gave up 38 points in the second half.

    Whatever happens–the journey just got more interesting.

  36. drrayeye, do we really need more bigs? I think the depth you just mentioned shows that we don’t need to make any moves. I’m actually keen to see what Mihm can do given some time.

    Imo this is a pretty big setback because I’ve never thought we have looked -really- comfortable in our roles this season. Our team is still feeling eachother and their roles out, as evidenced by Bynum’s scoring explosion. I genuinely feel we needed at least a little bit of time to settle Bynum and the team back down into his new confidence.

    With Bynum out the team looks way more comfortable, because the roles are more defined. There is less clash in the post between Bynum, Gasol and Kobe. I think we needed more time to get this level of comfort with Bynum.

  37. If Bynum’s injury is only a grade II torn MCL than he could be back as early as 3-4 weeks which would give him plenty of time to get his confidence back. If its only a grade II than why is everyone reporting 8-12 weeks?

  38. 234 – Because of last season.

    233 – Right, Bynum’s injury is a definite setback. Over the last 3 weeks or so the team was starting to get comfortable with his increasing role. You could see the transformation from the coaching staff & the players. He was slowly moving into the 2nd option, which IMO is the best thing for this team.

    Now that’s all over. If he comes back in April (and that’s a big if after last year) he’ll come off the bench with no conditioning, having to regain confidence in his knee. Basically starting from scratch. At best he may bring some rebounding, post defense, and catch some lobs with the 2nd unit in limited minutes. How can anyone think this is ideal vs SA and the East winner?

  39. Bynum’s injury always happens at the worst time – when everyone is just getting used to (Bynum included) playing with Bynum.

    We will do fine without him, maybe even better since this is the system we’ve used for a while and because it plays to everyone’s strength – being relatively lithe and coordinated for their position, if a little undersized.

    Without Bynum, we have multi-talented, multi-positional players who can create mismatches while not granting much the other way around.

    With Bynum, everyone’s role must be more defined, which tends to weaken our versatile and free-flowing, no-look-passing, showtime game.

    Until Bynum gets back, I think we’ll have the team of D’Antoni’s dreams.

  40. Ryan – From what someone else said I think they are being cautious because it took so long last time which seems fair.

    Also there was some talk that Bynum’s doctor may not have been so good because he took so long. I might go the other way, the doctor may have been protecting Bynum’s career from a medical standpoint as best he could and thus held him back longer. I’m no orthopod though so its just a theory…

  41. While Bynum’s absence hurts the team overall, the Lakers will be able to compensate for most of what Bynum provided. They have a number of players that, so far this season, have not had to contribute what they are capable of. Odom, Kobe, Gasol, Mihm, Powell can all provide more; now it becomes a question of figuring out the best mix. (Which will also be an issue when Bynum comes back, since he will likely be at some reduced capability for awhile.)

  42. For all those who fear Bynum will be lost for longer than 10-12 wks and won’t be able to fit into the team when he comes back…

    1) Bynum is 21 and this means he is probably learning faster the other players.
    2) Bynum has experience with coming back from a much more serious injury last year and knows what to do better.
    3) Since he recovered, he probably won’t be as afraid of things when he steps on the court.
    4) Since he really was starting to mesh, he will want to reach that point again, faster. He will push himself more.

    While I am concerned, I wouldn’t put last year’s experience on this year’s expectations.

  43. Have not read the thread yet, so may be repeating.

    Based on the nature of the injury and last year’s rehab, I think we have to assume that Bynum will not be back. Also, I think it is fairly clear that the Lakers cannot win the title without Ariza and Bynum. This is last year’s team again right now, so it can make the finals, but I see beating Boston, Cleveland (or perhaps Orlando) as highly unlikely. If they have Ariza and everybody else but not Bynum at playoff time, that will probably not be enough, either.

    Equally problematic, of course, is what this means for Bynum’s future, leaving the 2009 playoffs out of it. Two serious knee injuries before age 22 is a long-term issue that seems certain to affect the man’s entire career arc.

  44. RE: trades
    We already have Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, Chris Mihm and DJ Mbenga. Do we really need another big guy in the middle?

    RE: polarizing Kobe
    Let me be the first one to confess that I am a relentless and hopeless Kobe Bryant fangirl in every way.

    I moved to the US in August of 2004, and after watching my husband follow the pre-season and training camp I sat down to watch the first game of the season with him. He obviously cared a lot about this team, so showing interest seemed like a good wife-thing to do. Of course he had no objections and instead told me to pay special attention to Laker player number 8.

    “That short scrawny guy?”

    My husband gave me one of those looks and told me to just watch number 8. So I watched, without understanding what was he so special about him. Until he drove into the lane for a lay-up and shot a beautiful free throw, and that was that. I was hooked on basketbll.

    Here’s the thing: People like me rub the ones who dislike Kobe the wrong way. Whatever criticism you present, I am going to have an argument against it, very often one that includes assuming that at least half the reason you criticize is because you just don’t like him so your criticism really isn’t valid. You point out a flaw, be it on or off the court, and I will point out a virtue that outweighs and outshines it, and I will keep doing it because unlike you, I like this guy. Judging by the number of enthusiastic comments about Kobe’s 61 points yesterday, there are at least two or three others like me out there as well.

    In addition to people like us, NBA announcers have a tendency to go on long tangents about Kobe’s greatness whenever he plays well, and if that annoys me when they do that about other super-stars that I like, I can only imagine the nausea when someone is forced to listen to never-ending adulation for a player they dislike already.

    Throw in the feud with Shaq, the trade demands last summer and that Colorado thing, add on the small but important fact that he’s playing for a team that is defeating most other teams in the league this season, and there just isn’t much reason to start liking Kobe Bryant if you don’t like him already.

    Not that that is going to change my mind, but then, I’m just a hopeless fangirl… you can’t expect me to see reason 😉