Comments on: The Economy and the Lakers http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/02/19/the-economy-and-the-lakers/ A Lakers Blog. Thoughts, reflections, and the odd rant on the Los Angeles Lakers and the NBA (even the Clippers). Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:18:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: JONESONTHENBA http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/02/19/the-economy-and-the-lakers/comment-page-3/#comment-597114 JONESONTHENBA Sat, 21 Feb 2009 04:47:22 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1520#comment-597114 112) You're forgetting sign and trade options. There is always leverage from the other side. And teams that might not have cap space now could make trades to free up more room to sign L.O. outright. But beyond that, the Lakers don't want an unhappy L.O. L.O. is a reasonable guy, but he is definitely an $8MM per year player. Heck, we're paying Sasha Vujacic $5.5MM. My sports law class is doing a mock negotiation exercise with Mitch. I didn't get selected for it (they picked names out of a hat), but they are going to be dealing with all of these scenarios. Fun time to be doing such a thing. 112) You’re forgetting sign and trade options. There is always leverage from the other side. And teams that might not have cap space now could make trades to free up more room to sign L.O. outright. But beyond that, the Lakers don’t want an unhappy L.O. L.O. is a reasonable guy, but he is definitely an $8MM per year player. Heck, we’re paying Sasha Vujacic $5.5MM.

My sports law class is doing a mock negotiation exercise with Mitch. I didn’t get selected for it (they picked names out of a hat), but they are going to be dealing with all of these scenarios. Fun time to be doing such a thing.

]]> By: Don W http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/02/19/the-economy-and-the-lakers/comment-page-3/#comment-597055 Don W Sat, 21 Feb 2009 02:33:39 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1520#comment-597055 Ariza shows potential and maturity for a level of consistent play that complements that of the other stars. His month to month 3pt shooting %'s are 20-28-35-42 this year, which tells me he has a strong work ethic and the mental fortitude to knock shots down. Consistency and mental toughness are not words I would use to describe Odom. True, in the past few games he is starting to get it, and he and Gasol play beautifully together. But that is more a result of the triangle offense and the skills of Gasol than Odom's ability to contribute. Thus, I think his role is more replaceable than Ariza’s. Ariza will become a better player who will be worth more than the re-signing contract in a year or two. He just knows how to play basketball. I can’t say the same for Odom, who relies more on natural talent and instinct. The future is with Bynum, and obviously Gasol will be staying pat. So 8 million to me is not worth it for someone not getting significant minutes with Gasol, if you weigh this against the abilities of Ariza as well as the additional money to get another solid role player. Ariza shows potential and maturity for a level of consistent play that complements that of the other stars. His month to month 3pt shooting %’s are 20-28-35-42 this year, which tells me he has a strong work ethic and the mental fortitude to knock shots down. Consistency and mental toughness are not words I would use to describe Odom. True, in the past few games he is starting to get it, and he and Gasol play beautifully together. But that is more a result of the triangle offense and the skills of Gasol than Odom’s ability to contribute. Thus, I think his role is more replaceable than Ariza’s. Ariza will become a better player who will be worth more than the re-signing contract in a year or two. He just knows how to play basketball. I can’t say the same for Odom, who relies more on natural talent and instinct. The future is with Bynum, and obviously Gasol will be staying pat. So 8 million to me is not worth it for someone not getting significant minutes with Gasol, if you weigh this against the abilities of Ariza as well as the additional money to get another solid role player.

]]> By: sT http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/02/19/the-economy-and-the-lakers/comment-page-3/#comment-597034 sT Fri, 20 Feb 2009 23:18:31 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1520#comment-597034 Good to see you back in action Warren, you re-appeared with some great comments about the Lakers economic situation. Just try to get the first comment when the playoffs start, we will be OK during the regular season I think. Good to see you back in action Warren, you re-appeared with some great comments about the Lakers economic situation. Just try to get the first comment when the playoffs start, we will be OK during the regular season I think.

]]> By: chris h http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/02/19/the-economy-and-the-lakers/comment-page-3/#comment-597014 chris h Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:36:33 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1520#comment-597014 does anybody know if it's possible to have Kobe take a reduced salary in exchange for some equity in the team? Magic Johnson is a player with equity in the team. they do it in the movie business all the time, if you can't afford a movie star, or director, etc, you can offer some back end and pay a reduced rate. if anybody deserves a back end, it is Kobe. plus this would fix our luxury tax problem. does anybody know if it’s possible to have Kobe take a reduced salary in exchange for some equity in the team?

Magic Johnson is a player with equity in the team.
they do it in the movie business all the time, if you can’t afford a movie star, or director, etc, you can offer some back end and pay a reduced rate.

if anybody deserves a back end, it is Kobe.
plus this would fix our luxury tax problem.

]]> By: Sean P. http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/02/19/the-economy-and-the-lakers/comment-page-3/#comment-596999 Sean P. Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:18:43 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1520#comment-596999 112. To follow upon this point: If the '09-10 cap matches the current estimate of $57.3 mil, then the only teams who would be able to sign LO to an initial salary of >$8 mil are: Pistons: $33,093,746 commited (7 players) Grizzlies: $36,274,350 commited (8 players) Thunder: $39,006,888 commited (11 players) Hawks: $40,865,197 commited (7 players) Raptors: $45,753,371 commited (7 players) So, the question is do any of these teams make sense for LO and vice-versa? Maybe Detroit, as both McDyess (34) and Wallace (34) are UFAs who are significantly older than LO (30). And with only $11,148,760 committed to '10-11, they could easily sign LO and have room to pick up another banner FA at that time. Maybe Ok City, as they lack quality veterans to help guide their young players and have nobody who can play in much less facilitate from the post on their roster. Plus, they don't have to spend any big money on their kids until '11-12 (Durant and Green) and '12-13 (Westbrook). As for Memphis- they're terrible and are going to be for a while. I don't see Lo signing there for a couple of extra mil. Atlanta has big money already committed to one tweener (Josh Smith) and has several key rotation players who are UFAs (Bibby, Marvin Williams, & Pachulia). I don't see where LO would fit into their plans. Toronto's current roster precludes the need for LO. But with so of their players statuses up in the air, it's hard to know what direction they might go in. Also, Toronto seems to a location where NBA players would rather not live. 112.

To follow upon this point:

If the ’09-10 cap matches the current estimate of $57.3 mil, then the only teams who would be able to sign LO to an initial salary of >$8 mil are:

Pistons: $33,093,746 commited (7 players)
Grizzlies: $36,274,350 commited (8 players)
Thunder: $39,006,888 commited (11 players)
Hawks: $40,865,197 commited (7 players)
Raptors: $45,753,371 commited (7 players)

So, the question is do any of these teams make sense for LO and vice-versa?

Maybe Detroit, as both McDyess (34) and Wallace (34) are UFAs who are significantly older than LO (30). And with only $11,148,760 committed to ’10-11, they could easily sign LO and have room to pick up another banner FA at that time.

Maybe Ok City, as they lack quality veterans to help guide their young players and have nobody who can play in much less facilitate from the post on their roster. Plus, they don’t have to spend any big money on their kids until ’11-12 (Durant and Green) and ’12-13 (Westbrook).

As for Memphis- they’re terrible and are going to be for a while. I don’t see Lo signing there for a couple of extra mil.

Atlanta has big money already committed to one tweener (Josh Smith) and has several key rotation players who are UFAs (Bibby, Marvin Williams, & Pachulia). I don’t see where LO would fit into their plans.

Toronto’s current roster precludes the need for LO. But with so of their players statuses up in the air, it’s hard to know what direction they might go in. Also, Toronto seems to a location where NBA players would rather not live.

]]> By: KurkPeterman http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/02/19/the-economy-and-the-lakers/comment-page-3/#comment-596996 KurkPeterman Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:07:47 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1520#comment-596996 103: I second the motion that Warren should post first (I know it's late over there, but we need to keep our streak going! =) 103: I second the motion that Warren should post first (I know it’s late over there, but we need to keep our streak going! =)

]]> By: Kurt http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/02/19/the-economy-and-the-lakers/comment-page-3/#comment-596995 Kurt Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:57:12 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1520#comment-596995 new post up new post up

]]> By: Uwe Blab http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/02/19/the-economy-and-the-lakers/comment-page-3/#comment-596993 Uwe Blab Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:49:22 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1520#comment-596993 Hornets are moving to St. Louis in 2011 apparently. Hornets are moving to St. Louis in 2011 apparently.

]]> By: the other Stephen http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/02/19/the-economy-and-the-lakers/comment-page-3/#comment-596991 the other Stephen Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:38:35 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1520#comment-596991 what a strange season it's been for big men: elton brand, al jefferson, andrew bynum, michael bogut, tyson chandler, and now amare... what a strange season it’s been for big men: elton brand, al jefferson, andrew bynum, michael bogut, tyson chandler, and now amare…

]]> By: kwame a. http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/02/19/the-economy-and-the-lakers/comment-page-3/#comment-596990 kwame a. Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:35:29 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1520#comment-596990 Ex-I agree with you re: Farmar. The reason I ask is if we keep Phil going forward, it makes more sense to me to keep LO (who can play the lead guard role on offense) and Trevor and work from there. Fish may want to re-sign for a lot less and ride it out with the Lakers, plus Luke and Sasha could also help initiate offense. I only think we would have to worry about getting a more traditional PG if Phil leaves. Ex-I agree with you re: Farmar. The reason I ask is if we keep Phil going forward, it makes more sense to me to keep LO (who can play the lead guard role on offense) and Trevor and work from there. Fish may want to re-sign for a lot less and ride it out with the Lakers, plus Luke and Sasha could also help initiate offense. I only think we would have to worry about getting a more traditional PG if Phil leaves.

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