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		<title>By: LAHoney</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/03/22/jordan-farmar-tribute/comment-page-2/#comment-602861</link>
		<dc:creator>LAHoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 00:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Zephid. I think people who don&#039;t actually see the Farmar/Parker comparisons aren&#039;t looking at the pre-&#039;06 season for the Spurs. 

Regardless of how TP&#039;s playing now, it took him 4 very long and frustrating seasons to be as good as he is. And that&#039;s a fact. Jordan has the same quickness and athletic abilities, if not more, and he&#039;ll learn to be more consistent. It&#039;s rather questionable, suspicious, and annoying when Laker fans are shooting their players down. 

Yes, it gets frustrating when Farmar commits those dumb turnovers and poor offensive decisions. And it was even more frustrating with LO last season and season before. 

But the potential for the PG spot is there. The coaching staff, Kobe, and Fish are working hard with Jordan, and I think the negative criticism from literally just about everyone is affecting his mental game. It&#039;s obvious he&#039;s trying to get out of his momentary slump; just have faith. He&#039;ll get there. 

To me, it looks like a strong future for the two most important players in LA: Farmar and Bynum. 

As far as the running d&#039;Antoni&#039;s offense, I think that&#039;s debatable. The second unit if suppose to do what the first unit doesn&#039;t, which is accelerate the speed of the game. So I don&#039;t suppose it&#039;s defying the triangle system. 

Farmar&#039;s too hard-headed for his own good. I mean, if Phil can have the patience with him, why can&#039;t we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Zephid. I think people who don&#8217;t actually see the Farmar/Parker comparisons aren&#8217;t looking at the pre-&#8217;06 season for the Spurs. </p>
<p>Regardless of how TP&#8217;s playing now, it took him 4 very long and frustrating seasons to be as good as he is. And that&#8217;s a fact. Jordan has the same quickness and athletic abilities, if not more, and he&#8217;ll learn to be more consistent. It&#8217;s rather questionable, suspicious, and annoying when Laker fans are shooting their players down. </p>
<p>Yes, it gets frustrating when Farmar commits those dumb turnovers and poor offensive decisions. And it was even more frustrating with LO last season and season before. </p>
<p>But the potential for the PG spot is there. The coaching staff, Kobe, and Fish are working hard with Jordan, and I think the negative criticism from literally just about everyone is affecting his mental game. It&#8217;s obvious he&#8217;s trying to get out of his momentary slump; just have faith. He&#8217;ll get there. </p>
<p>To me, it looks like a strong future for the two most important players in LA: Farmar and Bynum. </p>
<p>As far as the running d&#8217;Antoni&#8217;s offense, I think that&#8217;s debatable. The second unit if suppose to do what the first unit doesn&#8217;t, which is accelerate the speed of the game. So I don&#8217;t suppose it&#8217;s defying the triangle system. </p>
<p>Farmar&#8217;s too hard-headed for his own good. I mean, if Phil can have the patience with him, why can&#8217;t we?</p>
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		<title>By: Tolga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tolga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as the Larry Tante/PA announcer thing goes, I don&#039;t think we need a more uptempo or crazy guy.  We&#039;re LA, we have plenty of other kooky and zany things to identify us by.

The Bulls dude was awesome during that era, and is certainly a legend.  Others have since tried to bite his style and it is kind of cheesy and forced.  Maybe it is me being old school, but I don&#039;t go for all the artificial pomp and circumstance.  Our pregame movie-projection thing (do we still do that???) is pretty badass, but beyond that, I say we let the team do the talking on the court (I&#039;m pretty ok with what they&#039;re showing us right now).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as the Larry Tante/PA announcer thing goes, I don&#8217;t think we need a more uptempo or crazy guy.  We&#8217;re LA, we have plenty of other kooky and zany things to identify us by.</p>
<p>The Bulls dude was awesome during that era, and is certainly a legend.  Others have since tried to bite his style and it is kind of cheesy and forced.  Maybe it is me being old school, but I don&#8217;t go for all the artificial pomp and circumstance.  Our pregame movie-projection thing (do we still do that???) is pretty badass, but beyond that, I say we let the team do the talking on the court (I&#8217;m pretty ok with what they&#8217;re showing us right now).</p>
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		<title>By: 81 Witness</title>
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		<dc:creator>81 Witness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snoopy,

Farmar apparently matched up well against Rose and Heinrich. If he plays consistently throughout the remainder of the season (that&#039;s a huge IF), I&#039;d let him play out and finish games off. 

Not sure how much Odom helped Farmar with this game. Farmar was just aggressive. He took his man off the dribble and shot well from the outside. He communicated on defense and used his quickness to jump passing lanes.

Farmar still needs to work on closing out on switches, (pick and roll leaves a SF or SG near Farmar open for 3) boxing out on switches, and yes his FT mechanics. Do you see a trend here? 

He needs to be more aggressive on the switches and not rely on his athleticism.

Darius,
Farmar played triangle in high school, grew up a Lakers fan, and played man SS zone in college under Howland. Any lapses in not being a good offensive/defensive player in PJs system is all on Farmar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snoopy,</p>
<p>Farmar apparently matched up well against Rose and Heinrich. If he plays consistently throughout the remainder of the season (that&#8217;s a huge IF), I&#8217;d let him play out and finish games off. </p>
<p>Not sure how much Odom helped Farmar with this game. Farmar was just aggressive. He took his man off the dribble and shot well from the outside. He communicated on defense and used his quickness to jump passing lanes.</p>
<p>Farmar still needs to work on closing out on switches, (pick and roll leaves a SF or SG near Farmar open for 3) boxing out on switches, and yes his FT mechanics. Do you see a trend here? </p>
<p>He needs to be more aggressive on the switches and not rely on his athleticism.</p>
<p>Darius,<br />
Farmar played triangle in high school, grew up a Lakers fan, and played man SS zone in college under Howland. Any lapses in not being a good offensive/defensive player in PJs system is all on Farmar.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Fast Break Thoughts post up for a slow day.</description>
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		<title>By: Snoopy2006</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snoopy2006</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To elaborate, stats when extended on a per minute basis tend to get skewed. I think someone pointed out that if you extended some rookie big man (JJ Hickson?)&#039;s stats on a per 40 minute basis, you suddenly had found the next Karl Malone/Duncan hybrid. 

Darius, I think you&#039;re dead on with the mental lapses part. But the interesting thing is that I think many of Farmar&#039;s lapses come from his stubbornness (which we do admire as moxy to some degree), we&#039;ve all read about how the coaches have trouble getting him to fit in to the system. Whereas Lamar just has lapses in focus. Although Farmar&#039;s FT% does indicate some focus problems too. 

I also agree Farmar is useful to buy Fish rest in the early rounds, but in the later rounds I&#039;d like to see more of Fish and Sasha at the point unless against a particular matchup Farmar plays well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To elaborate, stats when extended on a per minute basis tend to get skewed. I think someone pointed out that if you extended some rookie big man (JJ Hickson?)&#8217;s stats on a per 40 minute basis, you suddenly had found the next Karl Malone/Duncan hybrid. </p>
<p>Darius, I think you&#8217;re dead on with the mental lapses part. But the interesting thing is that I think many of Farmar&#8217;s lapses come from his stubbornness (which we do admire as moxy to some degree), we&#8217;ve all read about how the coaches have trouble getting him to fit in to the system. Whereas Lamar just has lapses in focus. Although Farmar&#8217;s FT% does indicate some focus problems too. </p>
<p>I also agree Farmar is useful to buy Fish rest in the early rounds, but in the later rounds I&#8217;d like to see more of Fish and Sasha at the point unless against a particular matchup Farmar plays well.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Bridges,
Comparing Farmar to LO is just not the same. Lamar is 29, with 10 yrs in the league. He is very most probably (nothing is 100%) the player he will always be. Farmar is 3 years in, after 2 yrs in collage, and he doesn&#039;t have the height advantage LO does when handling the ball. Also, he has played 2nd string his entire career here, while Lamar played 1st string until this year - that means more minutes to develop with better players.

Farmar deserves more time to develop, but I would see what Brown has and even draft another PG, if the talent is there, to back up my assumption. We are near the end for Fish and we need another PG anyway.

LO I would like to see remain with the team, but feel he will be on the 2nd team and should be paid like that next year - probably meaning he will not be here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Bridges,<br />
Comparing Farmar to LO is just not the same. Lamar is 29, with 10 yrs in the league. He is very most probably (nothing is 100%) the player he will always be. Farmar is 3 years in, after 2 yrs in collage, and he doesn&#8217;t have the height advantage LO does when handling the ball. Also, he has played 2nd string his entire career here, while Lamar played 1st string until this year &#8211; that means more minutes to develop with better players.</p>
<p>Farmar deserves more time to develop, but I would see what Brown has and even draft another PG, if the talent is there, to back up my assumption. We are near the end for Fish and we need another PG anyway.</p>
<p>LO I would like to see remain with the team, but feel he will be on the 2nd team and should be paid like that next year &#8211; probably meaning he will not be here.</p>
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		<title>By: Snoopy2006</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snoopy2006</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But we are ready to throw Odom under the bus if he 2 off games out of 20. Whereas Farmar gets his own tribute post when he has 1 good game out of 20.&quot;

Perfect. Nothing to add there. 

Zephid, I think you&#039;re looking a bit too much at stats. I agree with Kwame, I wasn&#039;t looking at Finals MVP Parker when I made my claims. Parker even when he was inconsistent showed flashes of brilliance at everything he does well now except jumpshooting - he was always lightning quick and showed glimpses of deceptive shifts in speed and direction, and most importantly at all, finished well often at the rim. Farmar simply does not. He&#039;s shown similarities to many other small guards that struggle to finish at the rim, that don&#039;t have a variety of moves once they get into the paint. Quite unlike Parker. 

Again, this isn&#039;t meant to knock Farmar on All Hail Farmar day, but there are better comparisons than to Tony Parker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But we are ready to throw Odom under the bus if he 2 off games out of 20. Whereas Farmar gets his own tribute post when he has 1 good game out of 20.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perfect. Nothing to add there. </p>
<p>Zephid, I think you&#8217;re looking a bit too much at stats. I agree with Kwame, I wasn&#8217;t looking at Finals MVP Parker when I made my claims. Parker even when he was inconsistent showed flashes of brilliance at everything he does well now except jumpshooting &#8211; he was always lightning quick and showed glimpses of deceptive shifts in speed and direction, and most importantly at all, finished well often at the rim. Farmar simply does not. He&#8217;s shown similarities to many other small guards that struggle to finish at the rim, that don&#8217;t have a variety of moves once they get into the paint. Quite unlike Parker. </p>
<p>Again, this isn&#8217;t meant to knock Farmar on All Hail Farmar day, but there are better comparisons than to Tony Parker.</p>
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		<title>By: Darius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill,
I&#039;m with you 100%.  Like I said, Farmar is a guy I like but I&#039;m not married to him as anything more than our backup PG.  But to me, he is a guy we need just because, over the long haul I don&#039;t want Fish playing 40 minutes a night and would rather Kobe and Sasha play the roles that the coaches want them in (which based off everything is not the main facilitator of our offense).  I am the conductor on the LO bandwagon though.  I&#039;ve always felt that we do not want to lose this guy and think his game and personality is the bridge that connects the players on the team.  Over the long haul, I think he&#039;s right behind Kobe and Gasol as the important player to the team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,<br />
I&#8217;m with you 100%.  Like I said, Farmar is a guy I like but I&#8217;m not married to him as anything more than our backup PG.  But to me, he is a guy we need just because, over the long haul I don&#8217;t want Fish playing 40 minutes a night and would rather Kobe and Sasha play the roles that the coaches want them in (which based off everything is not the main facilitator of our offense).  I am the conductor on the LO bandwagon though.  I&#8217;ve always felt that we do not want to lose this guy and think his game and personality is the bridge that connects the players on the team.  Over the long haul, I think he&#8217;s right behind Kobe and Gasol as the important player to the team.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this guys a little undersized.. but i think i&#039;d be okay with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htwkRYa0gOk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this guys a little undersized.. but i think i&#8217;d be okay with it.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htwkRYa0gOk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htwkRYa0gOk</a></p>
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		<title>By: wiseolgoat</title>
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		<dc:creator>wiseolgoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always felt that Kobe outdid himself in Game 6 of that year - throwing in 50 points including clutch, clutch buckets over the Matrix to give us that 3 point lead at the end of regulation. Alas, it was not to be...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always felt that Kobe outdid himself in Game 6 of that year &#8211; throwing in 50 points including clutch, clutch buckets over the Matrix to give us that 3 point lead at the end of regulation. Alas, it was not to be&#8230;</p>
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