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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Memphis fan, it is refreshing to see an objective look at the Gasol trade. I did take issue with another comment I saw, though.

&quot;That said, nobody could have been so deluded as to think that Memphis received the same quality that it gave up. Lakers got an All-Star, and Memphis got an All-Star’s brother.&quot; 

Maybe he is an All-Star in LA not having to be &quot;the guy,&quot; but he only made the game once while in Memphis, and barely made it at that. I, like most Gizzlies fans are glad that Pau is gone because the ownership took a risk giving him max money before letting the market set his value and it didn&#039;t work out for anyone involved. He is not and will never be a franchise player and his stint in Memphis proved it. Just go back and watch some tape of the 4th quarters of Memphis&#039; 12 straight playoff losses. He faded at the ends of games because he couldn&#039;t carry a team. Pau is a nice enough guy and I know he played as hard as he could. That just wasn&#039;t a role he was able to handle. Unfortunately, his contract became a huge burden to the franchise and a large portion of the fans turned against him, Heisley, and most of all, Jerry West and his quick fixes. I don&#039;t hold anything against Pau, because it wasn&#039;t his fault. It ultimately just didn&#039;t work out. I am glad the Grizz have moved on and, whether you can see it or not, they are in a much better and more flexable position, both on and off the court, now than they were just before the trade. With some good luck in the draft lottery, Memphis could very well have its core players for the future in place. If Conley doesn&#039;t ultimately work out, his recent play will at least make him more attractive in a trade senario. The most critical piece, however, is the continued developement of Gay and Mayo. If they both become All-Star calliber players, Memphis can use that cap room to pay future contracts to its core and buy a decent bench, instead of throwing too much money at bigger name players that don&#039;t really want to go to a small market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Memphis fan, it is refreshing to see an objective look at the Gasol trade. I did take issue with another comment I saw, though.</p>
<p>&#8220;That said, nobody could have been so deluded as to think that Memphis received the same quality that it gave up. Lakers got an All-Star, and Memphis got an All-Star’s brother.&#8221; </p>
<p>Maybe he is an All-Star in LA not having to be &#8220;the guy,&#8221; but he only made the game once while in Memphis, and barely made it at that. I, like most Gizzlies fans are glad that Pau is gone because the ownership took a risk giving him max money before letting the market set his value and it didn&#8217;t work out for anyone involved. He is not and will never be a franchise player and his stint in Memphis proved it. Just go back and watch some tape of the 4th quarters of Memphis&#8217; 12 straight playoff losses. He faded at the ends of games because he couldn&#8217;t carry a team. Pau is a nice enough guy and I know he played as hard as he could. That just wasn&#8217;t a role he was able to handle. Unfortunately, his contract became a huge burden to the franchise and a large portion of the fans turned against him, Heisley, and most of all, Jerry West and his quick fixes. I don&#8217;t hold anything against Pau, because it wasn&#8217;t his fault. It ultimately just didn&#8217;t work out. I am glad the Grizz have moved on and, whether you can see it or not, they are in a much better and more flexable position, both on and off the court, now than they were just before the trade. With some good luck in the draft lottery, Memphis could very well have its core players for the future in place. If Conley doesn&#8217;t ultimately work out, his recent play will at least make him more attractive in a trade senario. The most critical piece, however, is the continued developement of Gay and Mayo. If they both become All-Star calliber players, Memphis can use that cap room to pay future contracts to its core and buy a decent bench, instead of throwing too much money at bigger name players that don&#8217;t really want to go to a small market.</p>
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		<title>By: sT</title>
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		<dc:creator>sT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P. Ami, I never really laid it all out in my mind like you just did about this Lakers squad and the way I even tend to perceive/think about them.  I was on the thought to not want to play Utah in the first round, but that has changed now after reading the comments here at FB&amp;G.  It would be better to play the team on a downside instead of one that seems to be getting better and better every game towards the end of the season.  Dallas does have some pretty good verteran players don&#039;t they?  We may end up playing both Utah and Dallas on the way to bigger and better things, hopefully right.

When you change the way you look at things, the things themselves change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P. Ami, I never really laid it all out in my mind like you just did about this Lakers squad and the way I even tend to perceive/think about them.  I was on the thought to not want to play Utah in the first round, but that has changed now after reading the comments here at FB&amp;G.  It would be better to play the team on a downside instead of one that seems to be getting better and better every game towards the end of the season.  Dallas does have some pretty good verteran players don&#8217;t they?  We may end up playing both Utah and Dallas on the way to bigger and better things, hopefully right.</p>
<p>When you change the way you look at things, the things themselves change.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>new post up</description>
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		<title>By: Chris J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still firmly in Farmar&#039;s corner long term, but I&#039;m getting more into the idea of Shannon getting some extended time on the floor should the Lakers play Utah in Round 1. His size is a better match for Williams, despite whatever experience Jordan has over Brown from last year&#039;s playoffs.

Not to go all &quot;bash the officials&quot; again, but having two backup points who can get some things done in a series in which Utah&#039;s best player is a PG may have benefits we&#039;ve not yet touched upon. 

We know Williams is going to get some calls; he&#039;s an All-Star, and All-Stars get touch fouls called that a bench player would not. Multiply this by five for games in Salt Lake, where the refs tend to forget that there are two teams playing, hence Utah&#039;s solid home court advantage.

I like having 12 fouls available to back up Fish, rather than six. If history shows us anything, I&#039;m expecting to see Derek on the pine three, maybe four minutes into Game 3 with two really questionable calls on Williams. That&#039;s just life in the NBA.

(And, yes, Jazz fans, I know Kobe gets the same star treatment. My point isn&#039;t that the refs won&#039;t even things out over the series. It&#039;s that we know the Lakers guards are destined for foul trouble, and it&#039;s nice to have options when that issue arises.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still firmly in Farmar&#8217;s corner long term, but I&#8217;m getting more into the idea of Shannon getting some extended time on the floor should the Lakers play Utah in Round 1. His size is a better match for Williams, despite whatever experience Jordan has over Brown from last year&#8217;s playoffs.</p>
<p>Not to go all &#8220;bash the officials&#8221; again, but having two backup points who can get some things done in a series in which Utah&#8217;s best player is a PG may have benefits we&#8217;ve not yet touched upon. </p>
<p>We know Williams is going to get some calls; he&#8217;s an All-Star, and All-Stars get touch fouls called that a bench player would not. Multiply this by five for games in Salt Lake, where the refs tend to forget that there are two teams playing, hence Utah&#8217;s solid home court advantage.</p>
<p>I like having 12 fouls available to back up Fish, rather than six. If history shows us anything, I&#8217;m expecting to see Derek on the pine three, maybe four minutes into Game 3 with two really questionable calls on Williams. That&#8217;s just life in the NBA.</p>
<p>(And, yes, Jazz fans, I know Kobe gets the same star treatment. My point isn&#8217;t that the refs won&#8217;t even things out over the series. It&#8217;s that we know the Lakers guards are destined for foul trouble, and it&#8217;s nice to have options when that issue arises.)</p>
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		<title>By: P. Ami</title>
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		<dc:creator>P. Ami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FTL,
Well, nobody has won anything in the playoffs yet so I guess Cleveland, Boston and Orlando fans are riding as big a sugar rush as any of us who think the Lakers are strong title contenders. I mean, since when has the regular season been any indication of playoff success? When has beating the top two teams in the other conference, both home and away, given anybody any confidence in a team&#039;s ability? When has having one of the top 3 or 4 players in the NBA coupled with two excellent big men whose skill set complement each other ever indicated playoff success? Since when has having the best 6th man in the league indicated any sort of playoff success? Since when has having one of the great coaches of all times as the head coach of your team been any indication of possible playoff success? Since when has a large pool of useful role players been any help in winning a few playoff series? When has winning your conference by 10 games ever given anybody any sense that their team is pretty darn good? I&#039;m telling you Snoopy, switch to the purple. That red stain you&#039;ve had around your lips (with only 8 titles since 1980) is getting a little tired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FTL,<br />
Well, nobody has won anything in the playoffs yet so I guess Cleveland, Boston and Orlando fans are riding as big a sugar rush as any of us who think the Lakers are strong title contenders. I mean, since when has the regular season been any indication of playoff success? When has beating the top two teams in the other conference, both home and away, given anybody any confidence in a team&#8217;s ability? When has having one of the top 3 or 4 players in the NBA coupled with two excellent big men whose skill set complement each other ever indicated playoff success? Since when has having the best 6th man in the league indicated any sort of playoff success? Since when has having one of the great coaches of all times as the head coach of your team been any indication of possible playoff success? Since when has a large pool of useful role players been any help in winning a few playoff series? When has winning your conference by 10 games ever given anybody any sense that their team is pretty darn good? I&#8217;m telling you Snoopy, switch to the purple. That red stain you&#8217;ve had around your lips (with only 8 titles since 1980) is getting a little tired.</p>
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		<title>By: SVB</title>
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		<dc:creator>SVB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m clearly late to the party, and apologize in the event I parrot what&#039;s said above.

1. On the Gasol trade...
I think it&#039;s way too speculative to say that Memphis got O.J. Mayo because of this deal.  Better draft position tends to happen in one-sided trades.  I don&#039;t think you give a GM extra credit when the ping pong ball bounces his way after giving up all star in a lopsided trade.  I do think it&#039;s a good point to make that trades involving young players just can&#039;t be judged the moment they happen.  That said, nobody could have been so deluded as to think that Memphis received the same quality that it gave up.  Lakers got an All-Star, and Memphis got an All-Star&#039;s brother.  

Not to mention the fact that pretty much any fantasy GM would STILL do that same trade today.  And next year.


2. On the Lakers in general...
I predict that there will be no shortage of conspiracy theories that will start to simmer in round 2, and boil over by the start of the Cavs-Lakers finals, surrounding the league&#039;s so-called plan to get its two most marketable stars in seven games.

Except I cannot imagine who&#039;ll beat the Lakers.  I can see the Rockets beating your team once or twice, and maybe the Jazz threatening to do the same.  But over a seven game series?  No freaking way.  

For as critical as some of you all are on here, I think it would take a catastrophic meltdown or injury to knock the Lakers off their game enough to fail to make the playoffs.  Defensively, they&#039;re peaking.  Odom seems to be done being upset about his role.  And all the guys who played soft last year are behaving like they&#039;re the baddest bullies on the playground.  

I guess my biggest concern would be in your guard play, and specifically your point guard play, on both sides of the ball.  But it&#039;s not a huge concern.  It&#039;s not like you&#039;re throwing Matt Maloney out there.

And the Cavs - they won&#039;t be losing at home.  Not until the Finals, at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m clearly late to the party, and apologize in the event I parrot what&#8217;s said above.</p>
<p>1. On the Gasol trade&#8230;<br />
I think it&#8217;s way too speculative to say that Memphis got O.J. Mayo because of this deal.  Better draft position tends to happen in one-sided trades.  I don&#8217;t think you give a GM extra credit when the ping pong ball bounces his way after giving up all star in a lopsided trade.  I do think it&#8217;s a good point to make that trades involving young players just can&#8217;t be judged the moment they happen.  That said, nobody could have been so deluded as to think that Memphis received the same quality that it gave up.  Lakers got an All-Star, and Memphis got an All-Star&#8217;s brother.  </p>
<p>Not to mention the fact that pretty much any fantasy GM would STILL do that same trade today.  And next year.</p>
<p>2. On the Lakers in general&#8230;<br />
I predict that there will be no shortage of conspiracy theories that will start to simmer in round 2, and boil over by the start of the Cavs-Lakers finals, surrounding the league&#8217;s so-called plan to get its two most marketable stars in seven games.</p>
<p>Except I cannot imagine who&#8217;ll beat the Lakers.  I can see the Rockets beating your team once or twice, and maybe the Jazz threatening to do the same.  But over a seven game series?  No freaking way.  </p>
<p>For as critical as some of you all are on here, I think it would take a catastrophic meltdown or injury to knock the Lakers off their game enough to fail to make the playoffs.  Defensively, they&#8217;re peaking.  Odom seems to be done being upset about his role.  And all the guys who played soft last year are behaving like they&#8217;re the baddest bullies on the playground.  </p>
<p>I guess my biggest concern would be in your guard play, and specifically your point guard play, on both sides of the ball.  But it&#8217;s not a huge concern.  It&#8217;s not like you&#8217;re throwing Matt Maloney out there.</p>
<p>And the Cavs &#8211; they won&#8217;t be losing at home.  Not until the Finals, at least.</p>
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		<title>By: T34</title>
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		<dc:creator>T34</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Brown&#039;s play the last few games has warranted more minutes, but I think I&#039;d feel more comfortable w/ Farmar after Tuesday. Playoffs are a different beast altogether, and Farmar has been there and played fairly decent from what I can recall. 

I think Brown has earned a spot on this team from here on out, and I think he could turn into an absolute steal for us, however he is young, inexperienced, and I&#039;m not sure he&#039;s ready for the big stage...yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Brown&#8217;s play the last few games has warranted more minutes, but I think I&#8217;d feel more comfortable w/ Farmar after Tuesday. Playoffs are a different beast altogether, and Farmar has been there and played fairly decent from what I can recall. </p>
<p>I think Brown has earned a spot on this team from here on out, and I think he could turn into an absolute steal for us, however he is young, inexperienced, and I&#8217;m not sure he&#8217;s ready for the big stage&#8230;yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;d rather play Utah, if only for style of play reasons. Wounded or not, playing like crap or not, they play a hard-nosed, fairly rough style of ball, and that&#039;s what playoff basketball is all about. So we might as well get in that mindset from the get-go. They also play a somewhat methodical style of ball, which is what everyone else in the West plays, aside from Dallas (and us, of course). Again, might as well get used to it.

I don&#039;t fear Dallas by any means - although they are the one team that could possibly match us basket-for-basket if they got hot - but I do fear what playing them and their no-defense, no-banging, run-and-gun style of play could possibly set us up for in the second round. 

If we&#039;re going to get our nose or lip bloodied, I&#039;d rather it be early on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;d rather play Utah, if only for style of play reasons. Wounded or not, playing like crap or not, they play a hard-nosed, fairly rough style of ball, and that&#8217;s what playoff basketball is all about. So we might as well get in that mindset from the get-go. They also play a somewhat methodical style of ball, which is what everyone else in the West plays, aside from Dallas (and us, of course). Again, might as well get used to it.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t fear Dallas by any means &#8211; although they are the one team that could possibly match us basket-for-basket if they got hot &#8211; but I do fear what playing them and their no-defense, no-banging, run-and-gun style of play could possibly set us up for in the second round. </p>
<p>If we&#8217;re going to get our nose or lip bloodied, I&#8217;d rather it be early on.</p>
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		<title>By: MannyP13</title>
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		<dc:creator>MannyP13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks - any thoughts on whether we have seen enough of Brown to merit continued minutes during this upcoming playoff round?  I know Farmar has been everyone&#039;s whipping boy, but he is a known risk.  Just curious what everyone thinks at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks &#8211; any thoughts on whether we have seen enough of Brown to merit continued minutes during this upcoming playoff round?  I know Farmar has been everyone&#8217;s whipping boy, but he is a known risk.  Just curious what everyone thinks at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve noticed the past few games Kobe has removed the tape from his Index finger and his shooting seems to be getting better I see Kobe getting Into playoff mode don&#039;t worry I have a feeling will be at a the parade In June</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve noticed the past few games Kobe has removed the tape from his Index finger and his shooting seems to be getting better I see Kobe getting Into playoff mode don&#8217;t worry I have a feeling will be at a the parade In June</p>
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