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		<title>By: Liam</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/05/29/time-to-celebrate/comment-page-3/#comment-616606</link>
		<dc:creator>Liam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My top 15 alltime right now is this

1. Jordan

2. Magic
3. Bird
4. Wilt
5. Shaq
6. Duncan
7. Russell
8. Oscar
9. Dr J
10. Hakeem
11. West
12. Elgin Baylor
13. Isiah
14. Havlicek
15. Barkley


I  never put active players on my list (unless theyre already at the near-enhd of careeer like shaq or duncan, kobe aint there yet, still has alot left to solidify a legacy, KG too)

Kobe jumps up to 8 on that list if we win this title and he gets finals mvp. 

Allen Iverson is a tough case to figure out, huh? So is Clyde Drexler.

PS: there are alot of active players that could end up being alltime greats, including Dwight Howard, Chris Paul and alot of other real youngsters (Melo, Brandon Roy, Chris Bosh, Kevin Durant, DWill, etc) that have another decade-plus of ball left to go and are far from their prime, all have the TALENT to be great, alltime great, it&#039;ll be fun to see how it plays out



Lebron and Wade are the two that could end up in the top-10 of alltime if they play at the level they did this year for another decade (Wade at 26 years old, lebron 24, neither are in their prime yet) and win championships</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My top 15 alltime right now is this</p>
<p>1. Jordan</p>
<p>2. Magic<br />
3. Bird<br />
4. Wilt<br />
5. Shaq<br />
6. Duncan<br />
7. Russell<br />
8. Oscar<br />
9. Dr J<br />
10. Hakeem<br />
11. West<br />
12. Elgin Baylor<br />
13. Isiah<br />
14. Havlicek<br />
15. Barkley</p>
<p>I  never put active players on my list (unless theyre already at the near-enhd of careeer like shaq or duncan, kobe aint there yet, still has alot left to solidify a legacy, KG too)</p>
<p>Kobe jumps up to 8 on that list if we win this title and he gets finals mvp. </p>
<p>Allen Iverson is a tough case to figure out, huh? So is Clyde Drexler.</p>
<p>PS: there are alot of active players that could end up being alltime greats, including Dwight Howard, Chris Paul and alot of other real youngsters (Melo, Brandon Roy, Chris Bosh, Kevin Durant, DWill, etc) that have another decade-plus of ball left to go and are far from their prime, all have the TALENT to be great, alltime great, it&#8217;ll be fun to see how it plays out</p>
<p>Lebron and Wade are the two that could end up in the top-10 of alltime if they play at the level they did this year for another decade (Wade at 26 years old, lebron 24, neither are in their prime yet) and win championships</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 02:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL, Bynum will contain howard.  He can&#039;t put up consistent defensive efforts against Utah Jazz, Rockets, and Denver.  All  teams will centers considerably under 7 feet.  Don&#039;t count Yao, when 5 of those games he was out.

Howard will destroy Gasol and Bynum and put each one in foul trouble more than you have seen the entire playoffs.  The question is how much Gasol and Bynum will make Howard work on the defensive end and get in foul trouble.  Gasol and Bynum are very talented offensive players.  But they are HORRIBLE defensive players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, Bynum will contain howard.  He can&#8217;t put up consistent defensive efforts against Utah Jazz, Rockets, and Denver.  All  teams will centers considerably under 7 feet.  Don&#8217;t count Yao, when 5 of those games he was out.</p>
<p>Howard will destroy Gasol and Bynum and put each one in foul trouble more than you have seen the entire playoffs.  The question is how much Gasol and Bynum will make Howard work on the defensive end and get in foul trouble.  Gasol and Bynum are very talented offensive players.  But they are HORRIBLE defensive players.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia889</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia889</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 00:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While Bynum has trouble on P&amp;R defense and help assignments, he is a pretty solid 1-1 defender and one of the few centers that can size-up Howard. 

Many people forget that Bynum is 3-4 inches taller than Howard. While Howard certainly makes up most of his deficit with his upper body strength, going straight into the defenders chest, Bynum isn&#039;t exactly Ilgauskus in terms of strength.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Bynum has trouble on P&amp;R defense and help assignments, he is a pretty solid 1-1 defender and one of the few centers that can size-up Howard. </p>
<p>Many people forget that Bynum is 3-4 inches taller than Howard. While Howard certainly makes up most of his deficit with his upper body strength, going straight into the defenders chest, Bynum isn&#8217;t exactly Ilgauskus in terms of strength.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia889</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia889</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 00:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Orlando is a tough matchup for LA, but no reason for doom and gloom. While Alston has filled the void nicely he is NO J. Nelson who (more than Howard) has been the one giving the Lakers headaches. 

The hot outside shooting of R. Lewis is certainly a cause for concern, but Pau can make him more than pay for it on the defensive end in the post, so I think we have a slight advantage there. 

Pietrus is an excellent defender but nowhere near the caliber of Battier/Artest. 

Bynum can somewhat contain Howard straight up. The Lakers will be successful if they can quickly double team when he puts the ball on the floor to disrupt his rhythm or go for the steal and recover on the outside with quick rotations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Orlando is a tough matchup for LA, but no reason for doom and gloom. While Alston has filled the void nicely he is NO J. Nelson who (more than Howard) has been the one giving the Lakers headaches. </p>
<p>The hot outside shooting of R. Lewis is certainly a cause for concern, but Pau can make him more than pay for it on the defensive end in the post, so I think we have a slight advantage there. </p>
<p>Pietrus is an excellent defender but nowhere near the caliber of Battier/Artest. </p>
<p>Bynum can somewhat contain Howard straight up. The Lakers will be successful if they can quickly double team when he puts the ball on the floor to disrupt his rhythm or go for the steal and recover on the outside with quick rotations.</p>
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		<title>By: Mimsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mimsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 00:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Argh! I just missed the new post!

Would it be very rude and wrong of me to repost my long question in the new thread?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Argh! I just missed the new post!</p>
<p>Would it be very rude and wrong of me to repost my long question in the new thread?</p>
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		<title>By: Snoopy2006</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snoopy2006</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 00:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol @ 95

Although I hope the media takes more of 93&#039;s approach. I&#039;m tired of being the favorite. Being the underdog, having that edge, is more fun. To me, at least. 

So apparently Barkley has driven drunk &quot;hundreds of times&quot; and it took him the one time he got caught to realize how &quot;stupid&quot; it is. You, good sir, are a f***** idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol @ 95</p>
<p>Although I hope the media takes more of 93&#8217;s approach. I&#8217;m tired of being the favorite. Being the underdog, having that edge, is more fun. To me, at least. </p>
<p>So apparently Barkley has driven drunk &#8220;hundreds of times&#8221; and it took him the one time he got caught to realize how &#8220;stupid&#8221; it is. You, good sir, are a f***** idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Mimsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mimsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 00:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know, we are supposed to be celebrating, so I will try to lead this back to the Lakers at the end of my question. Please bear with me, because I would really like some feedback on this.

Here it is:

I was just watching the pre-game show for tonight&#039;s Cavs-Magic game, and of course they have an interview with Mo Williams there. Strangely, most of the questions seem to be about how great and amazing Lebron is, and very few are actually about Mo. I thought that was weird.

And then something occurred to me as I was listening to Mo&#039;s answers: He completely agrees with the hype. He talks about Lebron the way I talk about Kobe... He sounds like a devoted fan-boy!

All Mo&#039;s answers to questions about Lebron were all about &quot;he&#039;s real, he&#039;s the real deal&quot; we have to get him the ball more often&quot;, and about how everything on their team is about their biggest star. According to Mo, the most important question after each game should be &quot;did we go to him enough?&quot;

Mo Williams in the second guy on the Cavs, an all-star in his own right, and he is as completely in awe of The Chosen One as the most rabid Cavs fans are?

As I saide, please bear with me, this will lead back to the Lakers.

Remember recent interviews with Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom, with Trevor Ariza and Luke Walton? Pau wants the ball, in fact, he calls out his team mates for not giving it to him more often because &quot;we have to go with what works&quot;. Trevor Ariza and Luke Walton talks about spacing the floor and making 3-point shots, to give us multiple scoring options, because we want to punish our opponents for doubling or tripling Kobe. Lamar Odom says in pretty much every interview that he knows he has to show up ready to play and play hard, that he knows the team needs him to do his part.

So when Mo Williams talks about Lebron, he sounds like a fan in awe of the amazing talent of a generation. When various Laker players talk about Kobe, their answers are centered on team work, how to contribute along side Kobe, and what the team as a whole needs to do. In other words, they don&#039;t sound like devoted fans at all, but a lot more like team mates, working together to defeat a common enemy.

Here it finally is, my question: Assuming the Cavs win their series, how will this difference in mentality and mindset from the role players and second and third bananas on the respective teams affect them going into the Finals? Or am I just reading way too much into one single interview and it won&#039;t matter in the end? What do you think?

Like I said, that interview was fascinating to watch, and I would love to hear your thoughts on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know, we are supposed to be celebrating, so I will try to lead this back to the Lakers at the end of my question. Please bear with me, because I would really like some feedback on this.</p>
<p>Here it is:</p>
<p>I was just watching the pre-game show for tonight&#8217;s Cavs-Magic game, and of course they have an interview with Mo Williams there. Strangely, most of the questions seem to be about how great and amazing Lebron is, and very few are actually about Mo. I thought that was weird.</p>
<p>And then something occurred to me as I was listening to Mo&#8217;s answers: He completely agrees with the hype. He talks about Lebron the way I talk about Kobe&#8230; He sounds like a devoted fan-boy!</p>
<p>All Mo&#8217;s answers to questions about Lebron were all about &#8220;he&#8217;s real, he&#8217;s the real deal&#8221; we have to get him the ball more often&#8221;, and about how everything on their team is about their biggest star. According to Mo, the most important question after each game should be &#8220;did we go to him enough?&#8221;</p>
<p>Mo Williams in the second guy on the Cavs, an all-star in his own right, and he is as completely in awe of The Chosen One as the most rabid Cavs fans are?</p>
<p>As I saide, please bear with me, this will lead back to the Lakers.</p>
<p>Remember recent interviews with Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom, with Trevor Ariza and Luke Walton? Pau wants the ball, in fact, he calls out his team mates for not giving it to him more often because &#8220;we have to go with what works&#8221;. Trevor Ariza and Luke Walton talks about spacing the floor and making 3-point shots, to give us multiple scoring options, because we want to punish our opponents for doubling or tripling Kobe. Lamar Odom says in pretty much every interview that he knows he has to show up ready to play and play hard, that he knows the team needs him to do his part.</p>
<p>So when Mo Williams talks about Lebron, he sounds like a fan in awe of the amazing talent of a generation. When various Laker players talk about Kobe, their answers are centered on team work, how to contribute along side Kobe, and what the team as a whole needs to do. In other words, they don&#8217;t sound like devoted fans at all, but a lot more like team mates, working together to defeat a common enemy.</p>
<p>Here it finally is, my question: Assuming the Cavs win their series, how will this difference in mentality and mindset from the role players and second and third bananas on the respective teams affect them going into the Finals? Or am I just reading way too much into one single interview and it won&#8217;t matter in the end? What do you think?</p>
<p>Like I said, that interview was fascinating to watch, and I would love to hear your thoughts on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 00:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>new post up for tonight&#039;s game discussion, and looking forward to the finals.</description>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 00:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>96. exactly, people forget that we lost two very close games to orlando, the one in orlando i believe with a sasha 3 that was half-way down and would have given us a 2 point lead and the guy who killed us what jameer nelson who averaged 27 points per game.  Put simply,  if we can get away with single coverage defense of howard and defend the pick and roll we will be fine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>96. exactly, people forget that we lost two very close games to orlando, the one in orlando i believe with a sasha 3 that was half-way down and would have given us a 2 point lead and the guy who killed us what jameer nelson who averaged 27 points per game.  Put simply,  if we can get away with single coverage defense of howard and defend the pick and roll we will be fine</p>
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		<title>By: j. d. hastings</title>
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		<dc:creator>j. d. hastings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 00:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>88- who is the magic&#039;s penetrating PG?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>88- who is the magic&#8217;s penetrating PG?</p>
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