Comments on: The Lakers, The Luxury Tax And You http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/06/18/the-lakers-the-luxury-tax-and-you/ A Lakers Blog. Thoughts, reflections, and the odd rant on the Los Angeles Lakers and the NBA (even the Clippers). Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:18:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: . http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/06/18/the-lakers-the-luxury-tax-and-you/comment-page-3/#comment-621738 . Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:07:57 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1670#comment-621738 maybe a phil tends to use lamar on being the point forward for the second unit maybe a phil tends to use lamar on being the point forward for the second unit

]]> By: Benjamin http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/06/18/the-lakers-the-luxury-tax-and-you/comment-page-3/#comment-621696 Benjamin Sun, 21 Jun 2009 01:41:09 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1670#comment-621696 I'm not really seeing where Phil said Odom will play more point guard. I see they told Odom to stay in shape. I thought that was mostly because they had to tell him that because he didn't last offseason. It would seem people are inferring from that comment that Odom will play either PG or SF (or point forward). As we tried Odom at PG and it didn't really work out (06-07) and Phil has never used him as a SF using Pau and Bynum together (even making clear Odom would not start at SF before the season began), it would seem to me that it's not likely Odom is going to play either PG (Point Forward, whatever) or SF. Unless Odom can keep knocking down open shots like he did in the Finals from 3, I'm not seeing SF be his position. I'm interested in being shown that I am wrong. Please show me a link, and not one that requires (for me) a major stretch of logic. I’m not really seeing where Phil said Odom will play more point guard.

I see they told Odom to stay in shape. I thought that was mostly because they had to tell him that because he didn’t last offseason.

It would seem people are inferring from that comment that Odom will play either PG or SF (or point forward).

As we tried Odom at PG and it didn’t really work out (06-07) and Phil has never used him as a SF using Pau and Bynum together (even making clear Odom would not start at SF before the season began), it would seem to me that it’s not likely Odom is going to play either PG (Point Forward, whatever) or SF. Unless Odom can keep knocking down open shots like he did in the Finals from 3, I’m not seeing SF be his position.

I’m interested in being shown that I am wrong. Please show me a link, and not one that requires (for me) a major stretch of logic.

]]> By: DirtySanchez http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/06/18/the-lakers-the-luxury-tax-and-you/comment-page-3/#comment-621584 DirtySanchez Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:57:19 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1670#comment-621584 Defense wins championships. With the addition of two big men for the price of less than one. The Lakers gain a toughness edge that has been missing from the team, they will be able to match any teams toughness in the NBA. Let LO go to Portland and be amongst his favorite candy(trees)LOL Defense wins championships. With the addition of two big men for the price of less than one. The Lakers gain a toughness edge that has been missing from the team, they will be able to match any teams toughness in the NBA. Let LO go to Portland and be amongst his favorite candy(trees)LOL

]]> By: Seanie B http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/06/18/the-lakers-the-luxury-tax-and-you/comment-page-3/#comment-621583 Seanie B Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:55:28 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1670#comment-621583 Someone posted this on a Yahoo Sports blog... Buss needs to bite the bullet for one year, 2009-2010. In 2010-2011 Fisher comes off the books for $5million (probably retires), Sasha Vujacic becomes a $5.4million expiring contract (someone who needs a shooter like Phoenix suns or New York knicks will take him and he might succeed because he'll be able to jack up shots) Adam Morrison goes off for $6.8million (which is an offer not part of the cap but counts as far as staying at the cap area). So that's $10million in 2011 that they can save. So somehow they have to figure out a way for Ariza and Odom to add up to about $10-12 million in two years. I say that Ariza gets a 4-year midlevel 20 million (5 million) and Odom gets a 4-year (32 million) contract backloaded with 6, 7, 8, 9 million increases, so that by the last year of the deal he's a $9 million expiring deal which is coincidently the Team Option year for Andrew Bynum. At that point Odom and Drew can be traded if it doesnt work out and they'll be able to basically grab anybody at that point such as a Kevin Durant, Chris Paul etc. Someone posted this on a Yahoo Sports blog…

Buss needs to bite the bullet for one year, 2009-2010. In 2010-2011 Fisher comes off the books for $5million (probably retires), Sasha Vujacic becomes a $5.4million expiring contract (someone who needs a shooter like Phoenix suns or New York knicks will take him and he might succeed because he’ll be able to jack up shots) Adam Morrison goes off for $6.8million (which is an offer not part of the cap but counts as far as staying at the cap area). So that’s $10million in 2011 that they can save. So somehow they have to figure out a way for Ariza and Odom to add up to about $10-12 million in two years. I say that Ariza gets a 4-year midlevel 20 million (5 million) and Odom gets a 4-year (32 million) contract backloaded with 6, 7, 8, 9 million increases, so that by the last year of the deal he’s a $9 million expiring deal which is coincidently the Team Option year for Andrew Bynum. At that point Odom and Drew can be traded if it doesnt work out and they’ll be able to basically grab anybody at that point such as a Kevin Durant, Chris Paul etc.

]]> By: Seanie B http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/06/18/the-lakers-the-luxury-tax-and-you/comment-page-3/#comment-621580 Seanie B Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:45:47 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1670#comment-621580 I really can't see Ariza leaving. He is a hometown kid, who just won a championship, knows the players, can win more championships, and thrives in this system. There is a reason he was our top 3 point shooter in the finals/playoffs... because he was wide open! (Except for the 3 pointer near the end of the 4th quarter in Game 4 of the Finals). This was because of the triangle offense and Kobe/Pau drawing triple teams. He will not get those kind of looks on other teams. Kobe taught him how to shoot, and just imagine how much better he can become under Kobe's wing. Look how he performed in NY and Orlando... Then after less than a season with LAL, he becomes an intrecal part to a championship team. Portland has Outlaw and Batum who are very similar to Trevor... I can't see them offering twice their salaries when they have 2 guys like him. I can't see him going to Detroit either with the uncertainty of the team and the fact that they already have a SF in Prince, when Detroit needs help in so many other areas. Ariza has it good where he is now and will be offered more in LAL. I really can’t see Ariza leaving. He is a hometown kid, who just won a championship, knows the players, can win more championships, and thrives in this system. There is a reason he was our top 3 point shooter in the finals/playoffs… because he was wide open! (Except for the 3 pointer near the end of the 4th quarter in Game 4 of the Finals). This was because of the triangle offense and Kobe/Pau drawing triple teams. He will not get those kind of looks on other teams. Kobe taught him how to shoot, and just imagine how much better he can become under Kobe’s wing.

Look how he performed in NY and Orlando… Then after less than a season with LAL, he becomes an intrecal part to a championship team.

Portland has Outlaw and Batum who are very similar to Trevor… I can’t see them offering twice their salaries when they have 2 guys like him. I can’t see him going to Detroit either with the uncertainty of the team and the fact that they already have a SF in Prince, when Detroit needs help in so many other areas. Ariza has it good where he is now and will be offered more in LAL.

]]> By: Mike http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/06/18/the-lakers-the-luxury-tax-and-you/comment-page-3/#comment-621577 Mike Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:28:17 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1670#comment-621577 One think I haven't seen mentioned yet is that the cap is likely to go DOWN, not stay the same, so the penalty will be more severe that what is listed here. Also, like the article said, they could sign Brown and hope that they could find a way to trade Morrison (though I think Kobe might object to Vujacic being traded for nothing) then choose not to bring back DJ. One think I haven’t seen mentioned yet is that the cap is likely to go DOWN, not stay the same, so the penalty will be more severe that what is listed here.

Also, like the article said, they could sign Brown and hope that they could find a way to trade Morrison (though I think Kobe might object to Vujacic being traded for nothing) then choose not to bring back DJ.

]]> By: DirtySanchez http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/06/18/the-lakers-the-luxury-tax-and-you/comment-page-3/#comment-621576 DirtySanchez Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:21:10 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1670#comment-621576 To me LO is a good player but is to inconsistent to get 7 to 8 mil a year for a 30 year old player. Keep Ariza, go out get Birdman(2 mil) and Mcdyess(1.5 mil). Thats your big man insurance policy, combine both bigs numbers and you match LO#. Give more ballhanding responsibility to Ariza next year less money problem solved. To me LO is a good player but is to inconsistent to get 7 to 8 mil a year for a 30 year old player. Keep Ariza, go out get Birdman(2 mil) and Mcdyess(1.5 mil). Thats your big man insurance policy, combine both bigs numbers and you match LO#. Give more ballhanding responsibility to Ariza next year less money problem solved.

]]> By: Swinton http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/06/18/the-lakers-the-luxury-tax-and-you/comment-page-3/#comment-621572 Swinton Fri, 19 Jun 2009 21:33:10 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1670#comment-621572 i dont understand how resigning LO, ariza, and wow for a combined 16 million would make our total jump over 20 million. I understand that the luxery tax requires u to pay double but if LO made 14 mil last year, Ariza mad 3, and Shannon made even the minimum thats about 17.5 right there so wouldnt them signing for 16 mil total, contribute to lowering it ? Actually wait i just remembered....Bynum's extension kicks in next year Answered my own question lol i dont understand how resigning LO, ariza, and wow for a combined 16 million would make our total jump over 20 million. I understand that the luxery tax requires u to pay double but if LO made 14 mil last year, Ariza mad 3, and Shannon made even the minimum thats about 17.5 right there
so wouldnt them signing for 16 mil total, contribute to lowering it ?

Actually wait i just remembered….Bynum’s extension kicks in next year
Answered my own question lol

]]> By: barbara http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/06/18/the-lakers-the-luxury-tax-and-you/comment-page-3/#comment-621566 barbara Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:50:33 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1670#comment-621566 TO WHOMEVER IT MIGHT CONCERN: Please do not break up this team, we need both Odom and Ariza to return next season; do not allow another team to get our players; I know you will do what is best for our team. The Magic didn't win, but they are willing to pay whatever they need to pay to keep Hedo; we won and I know that we can do the same; if a losing team does not want anyone to get one of tits best players, we should do the same!THE LAKERS WILL BE GREAT FOR MANY YEARS IF WE KEEP OUR TEAM IN TACT! go lakers! TO WHOMEVER IT MIGHT CONCERN:
Please do not break up this team, we need both Odom and Ariza to return next season; do not allow another team to get our players; I know you will do what is best for our team.
The Magic didn’t win, but they are willing to pay whatever they need to pay to keep Hedo; we won and I know that we can do the same; if a losing team does not want anyone to get one of tits best players, we should do the same!THE LAKERS WILL BE GREAT FOR MANY YEARS IF WE KEEP OUR TEAM IN TACT! go lakers!

]]> By: steven c http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/06/18/the-lakers-the-luxury-tax-and-you/comment-page-3/#comment-621547 steven c Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:47:03 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1670#comment-621547 darius has it right, @101. this is a one year deal. after next year morrison and fish could come off the payroll. to put it simply, obviously, like every other poster, i don't want to lose lo, ta or wow. but clearly we don't know the financial health of the lakers, and can't accurately predict p and l for next year. and as stated, what ary buss's priorities? how much is he willing to spend? it's the Busses', Mitch's and bean-counters who have to make the calculations. ps: re: the PG question, we actually had 11/2 unofficial point guards, lo and kb! pps: ok -you forced me! lo gave the lakers their unique attributes. trevor, and he was my favorite playoff guy (other than kb and pg) was great and could continue growing, but is more replaceable, though i really don't want to find out! darius has it right, @101. this is a one year deal. after next year morrison and fish could come off the payroll. to put it simply, obviously, like every other poster, i don’t want to lose lo, ta or wow. but clearly we don’t know the financial health of the lakers, and can’t accurately predict p and l for next year.
and as stated, what ary buss’s priorities? how much is he willing to spend?
it’s the Busses’, Mitch’s and bean-counters
who have to make the calculations.
ps: re: the PG question, we actually had 11/2 unofficial point guards, lo and kb!
pps: ok -you forced me! lo gave the lakers their unique attributes. trevor, and he was my favorite playoff guy (other than kb and pg) was great and could continue growing, but is more replaceable, though i really don’t want to find out!

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