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	<title>Comments on: Can&#8217;t Lose Situation &#8211; Part II</title>
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		<title>By: luubi</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/06/22/cant-lose-situation-part-ii/comment-page-4/#comment-622112</link>
		<dc:creator>luubi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>USA just beat #1 Spain 2-0 in Confederations cup to reach the final.  HUGE for US soccer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>USA just beat #1 Spain 2-0 in Confederations cup to reach the final.  HUGE for US soccer.</p>
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		<title>By: wondahbap</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/06/22/cant-lose-situation-part-ii/comment-page-4/#comment-622065</link>
		<dc:creator>wondahbap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Celtics are putting Rondo in his place.  He might be feeling himself too much.  Plus, there&#039;s a chance the bad pub might keep his price down heading into restricted free agency, or they&#039;re trying to build up potential trades.  Stuff like this getting out might put pressure from fans on front offices to implore a trade to make the team better.

It is surprising to hear these stories now.  I wonder where the Bandwagon Bill 3000 word story is?  If this were Laker related, he would have pulled an all nighter typing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Celtics are putting Rondo in his place.  He might be feeling himself too much.  Plus, there&#8217;s a chance the bad pub might keep his price down heading into restricted free agency, or they&#8217;re trying to build up potential trades.  Stuff like this getting out might put pressure from fans on front offices to implore a trade to make the team better.</p>
<p>It is surprising to hear these stories now.  I wonder where the Bandwagon Bill 3000 word story is?  If this were Laker related, he would have pulled an all nighter typing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>new post up</description>
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		<title>By: MannyP13</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/06/22/cant-lose-situation-part-ii/comment-page-4/#comment-622060</link>
		<dc:creator>MannyP13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to speculate on the whole Rondo thing, but the RedsArmy website posted some interesting text from an interview given by Ainge recently.  What caught my eye was that Ainge said (1) he does not believe Rondo is a max type player, (2) Rondo has a problem with discipline, and (3) he specifically mentioned that while the Celtics do not have the money to sign Wade or Lebron for max money, he thinks they *could* entice them to join the Celtics for less money because he thinks Wade and Bron would be interested in pairing up with KG and Pierce.  

The 3rd point is particularly interesting to me based on the recent trade rumors as he only mentions KG and Pierce and leaves out both Rondo and Allen from the discussion.  If this was a slip from Ainge (not the brightest of guys), then it could explain why Rondo is being shopped around.

Frankly, if Ainge spoke from the heart, then I hope Rondo stays put.  Nothing would please me more as a Laker fan than to see the Celtics implode from a lack the &quot;team chemistry&quot; everyone was so quick to credit them with just a year ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to speculate on the whole Rondo thing, but the RedsArmy website posted some interesting text from an interview given by Ainge recently.  What caught my eye was that Ainge said (1) he does not believe Rondo is a max type player, (2) Rondo has a problem with discipline, and (3) he specifically mentioned that while the Celtics do not have the money to sign Wade or Lebron for max money, he thinks they *could* entice them to join the Celtics for less money because he thinks Wade and Bron would be interested in pairing up with KG and Pierce.  </p>
<p>The 3rd point is particularly interesting to me based on the recent trade rumors as he only mentions KG and Pierce and leaves out both Rondo and Allen from the discussion.  If this was a slip from Ainge (not the brightest of guys), then it could explain why Rondo is being shopped around.</p>
<p>Frankly, if Ainge spoke from the heart, then I hope Rondo stays put.  Nothing would please me more as a Laker fan than to see the Celtics implode from a lack the &#8220;team chemistry&#8221; everyone was so quick to credit them with just a year ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*No P before Rondo, sorry...need more coffee!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*No P before Rondo, sorry&#8230;need more coffee!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@141 - I was suprised to hear that the &quot;Vin Scully deal&quot; was a consideration for Phil for the very reason he pointed out in the article...control of the team in the trenches.  I guess we&#039;ll see what happens there, though I always thought if he couldn&#039;t go whole hog he would just go.

RE:P Rondo - I have a really hard time believing that if the Celtics were seriously considering shopping Rondo (&amp; even Allen) it would have been made public so early, especially without anything in place.  Potential for too much disaster. Makes no sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@141 &#8211; I was suprised to hear that the &#8220;Vin Scully deal&#8221; was a consideration for Phil for the very reason he pointed out in the article&#8230;control of the team in the trenches.  I guess we&#8217;ll see what happens there, though I always thought if he couldn&#8217;t go whole hog he would just go.</p>
<p>RE:P Rondo &#8211; I have a really hard time believing that if the Celtics were seriously considering shopping Rondo (&amp; even Allen) it would have been made public so early, especially without anything in place.  Potential for too much disaster. Makes no sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Buttas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buttas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with you Travis (#167).  I know Drew is getting knock for the injuries, but they were really freak things IMO.  I just want his attitude to be right.  That comes with maturity and all, but I didn&#039;t like watching him pout at times, especially when he was late on rotations or picking up just silly reach fouls. 

*If* he can stay healthy, watch out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with you Travis (#167).  I know Drew is getting knock for the injuries, but they were really freak things IMO.  I just want his attitude to be right.  That comes with maturity and all, but I didn&#8217;t like watching him pout at times, especially when he was late on rotations or picking up just silly reach fouls. </p>
<p>*If* he can stay healthy, watch out!</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>trade talk and contracts aside, the NBA player I&#039;m looking forward to watching next season, besides Kevin Durant, is Andrew Bynum.  

He&#039;s got finals/playoff experience under his belt, he&#039;s has a 42 pt. game, and the past 2 seasons he&#039;s been injured just as he&#039;s hitting his stride.  If he&#039;s healthy all year, and plays the way he did the week before the injury, the Lakers can repeat with only one of the two LO/TA coming back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>trade talk and contracts aside, the NBA player I&#8217;m looking forward to watching next season, besides Kevin Durant, is Andrew Bynum.  </p>
<p>He&#8217;s got finals/playoff experience under his belt, he&#8217;s has a 42 pt. game, and the past 2 seasons he&#8217;s been injured just as he&#8217;s hitting his stride.  If he&#8217;s healthy all year, and plays the way he did the week before the injury, the Lakers can repeat with only one of the two LO/TA coming back.</p>
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		<title>By: TRad</title>
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		<dc:creator>TRad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Snoopy

Yes, Bucks could trade Oberto, but only sauté. They couldn&#039;t pack him with another player.

@BCR

You&#039;re right about picks values. Kubatko has done a splendid table at b-r blog. It shows the expected WinShares for every pick (basing on history). #2 is &quot;worth&quot; 64 WS. #5 - 47, #6 - 43, #18 - 23. Of course there is this scarcity thing.

Frankly I&#039;d like to have a pick in low tens. Lawson is supposed to be available there and he&#039;s an interesting prospect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Snoopy</p>
<p>Yes, Bucks could trade Oberto, but only sauté. They couldn&#8217;t pack him with another player.</p>
<p>@BCR</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right about picks values. Kubatko has done a splendid table at b-r blog. It shows the expected WinShares for every pick (basing on history). #2 is &#8220;worth&#8221; 64 WS. #5 &#8211; 47, #6 &#8211; 43, #18 &#8211; 23. Of course there is this scarcity thing.</p>
<p>Frankly I&#8217;d like to have a pick in low tens. Lawson is supposed to be available there and he&#8217;s an interesting prospect.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@59

Yep, love TA&#039;s attitude and thinks it matters too.

@154

Heh, funny.  I love the tons of trades too, definitely makes things more interesting.  With the triangle taking so long to learn, trades seem a little less likely with the Lakers.  However, dumping Cook for Ariza, Vlad for S. Brown, and Kwame for Gasol certainly got my attention.  I think the day they got rid of Cook was the happiest day of my life.

@162

I&#039;ve had the same thought myself.  Mamba has lost sensation in his hand in games 5-10 minutes at a time.  In game 5 of this year&#039;s Finals, his hand was hurt badly.  Take a chance it will be funky for a while, but get it stabilized against further exacerbation makes a hell of a lot of sense to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@59</p>
<p>Yep, love TA&#8217;s attitude and thinks it matters too.</p>
<p>@154</p>
<p>Heh, funny.  I love the tons of trades too, definitely makes things more interesting.  With the triangle taking so long to learn, trades seem a little less likely with the Lakers.  However, dumping Cook for Ariza, Vlad for S. Brown, and Kwame for Gasol certainly got my attention.  I think the day they got rid of Cook was the happiest day of my life.</p>
<p>@162</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had the same thought myself.  Mamba has lost sensation in his hand in games 5-10 minutes at a time.  In game 5 of this year&#8217;s Finals, his hand was hurt badly.  Take a chance it will be funky for a while, but get it stabilized against further exacerbation makes a hell of a lot of sense to me.</p>
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