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		<title>By: Darius</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/07/05/the-gift-and-the-curse/comment-page-3/#comment-624195</link>
		<dc:creator>Darius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#111.  aticodejon,
I am not sure how Ron&#039;s acquisition will affect Pau.  One of the main principles of the Triangle is to make post entries, so I think Pau will get plenty of touches.  On one hand, I could see Ron shooting more than Ariza and those shots have to come at the expense of someone.  However, those shots could be shots at the expense of Kobe or Bynum, not just Pau.  On the other hand, Artest is a much bigger offensive threat than Ariza (or any other SF we have had on our roster).  So, in that sense, this may create more looks for Pau as he may see less double teams and have more space to operate as help defenders stay home on Kobe/Artest/etc more often than they did last season.  In the end, like I said, I do think Pau will remain a focal point of our offense as he is our best post player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#111.  aticodejon,<br />
I am not sure how Ron&#8217;s acquisition will affect Pau.  One of the main principles of the Triangle is to make post entries, so I think Pau will get plenty of touches.  On one hand, I could see Ron shooting more than Ariza and those shots have to come at the expense of someone.  However, those shots could be shots at the expense of Kobe or Bynum, not just Pau.  On the other hand, Artest is a much bigger offensive threat than Ariza (or any other SF we have had on our roster).  So, in that sense, this may create more looks for Pau as he may see less double teams and have more space to operate as help defenders stay home on Kobe/Artest/etc more often than they did last season.  In the end, like I said, I do think Pau will remain a focal point of our offense as he is our best post player.</p>
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		<title>By: aticodejon</title>
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		<dc:creator>aticodejon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any opinion on how this may affect Pau&#039;s game? The guy made the most of the very few shots per game he got last year, no doubt in my mind because PJ brain-washed him into concentrating on proving everyone he&#039;s not soft, and not worrying about offense so much (plus the guy has the talent to make much from little, to be sure). However, now he has a ring and he&#039;s been told repeatedly how everyone was so wrong about him, he&#039;s really not soft at all, etc, etc, so now he&#039;ll probably want to enjoy a bit more his star status &amp; rights, demanding more attention on offense.

The guy actually has a huge ego, only in LA he has shown his best side, I guess due in part to playing with Kobe, and again to PJ&#039;s genius mind games selling him the role of high IQ player -therefore cool &amp; collected-, but he did complain in the middle of the playoffs about the lack of touches. Now Artest will inevitably mean even less of those for Gasol, or will it?

What think you? A source of chemistry problems lurking in an unexpected corner?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any opinion on how this may affect Pau&#8217;s game? The guy made the most of the very few shots per game he got last year, no doubt in my mind because PJ brain-washed him into concentrating on proving everyone he&#8217;s not soft, and not worrying about offense so much (plus the guy has the talent to make much from little, to be sure). However, now he has a ring and he&#8217;s been told repeatedly how everyone was so wrong about him, he&#8217;s really not soft at all, etc, etc, so now he&#8217;ll probably want to enjoy a bit more his star status &amp; rights, demanding more attention on offense.</p>
<p>The guy actually has a huge ego, only in LA he has shown his best side, I guess due in part to playing with Kobe, and again to PJ&#8217;s genius mind games selling him the role of high IQ player -therefore cool &amp; collected-, but he did complain in the middle of the playoffs about the lack of touches. Now Artest will inevitably mean even less of those for Gasol, or will it?</p>
<p>What think you? A source of chemistry problems lurking in an unexpected corner?</p>
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		<title>By: Kaveh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaveh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#90 Kobe Carl, etc.

I remember when i was in highschool my buddy was dating George Carl&#039;s daughter, and we&#039;d be over at the Carl&#039;s house regularly.  Kobe Carl was still half my size back then as he was a little brat, but he always had a basketball in his hand.  I never thought that the kid could possibly play in the NBA.

I&#039;m rooting for him as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#90 Kobe Carl, etc.</p>
<p>I remember when i was in highschool my buddy was dating George Carl&#8217;s daughter, and we&#8217;d be over at the Carl&#8217;s house regularly.  Kobe Carl was still half my size back then as he was a little brat, but he always had a basketball in his hand.  I never thought that the kid could possibly play in the NBA.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m rooting for him as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaveh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaveh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephan # 70

Your post misses some obvious points.

1) You do not need to knee people in the balls and slice their throats in order to be an &quot;enforcer&quot; in basketball.  You don&#039;t need T&#039;s in order to be so.  Toughness is through being a bruiser.  When the ball is in the air or loose, or when you are boxing someone out.  This is where people are &quot;tough&quot; or &quot;enforcers.&quot;  Especially in playoff basketball.

A true sign of toughness isn&#039;t how many technical or flagrant fouls you get.  The toughness comes out because people simply do not want to go down low and get that rebound against you.  Or they just do want to venture into the paint for that layup.

Artest is 6&#039;7&quot; and listed as 260lb.  I think that he is undoubtedly heavier, but let&#039;s just assume 260.  This is with minimal fat and a hard ass attitude.  This guy is a BEAST.  You will not find a more intimidating linebalker in all of football. Furthremore his attitude is where the toughness comes from.

Carmelo was single handedly DESTROYING us in the playoffs.  Whether going to the basket or getting offensive rebounds.  He was simply too powerful for Kobe and Ariza was like a flee on his back.  Lebron would be the same.  Against Artest, these guys are the flees.  Are they going to push Artest out of the way for a rebound down low?  Are they going to back Artest down?

There are a lot of things you can say regarding Artest.  I just can&#039;t believe that you chose the one thing on which even his detractors agree on ---that he makes his team &quot;tougher.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephan # 70</p>
<p>Your post misses some obvious points.</p>
<p>1) You do not need to knee people in the balls and slice their throats in order to be an &#8220;enforcer&#8221; in basketball.  You don&#8217;t need T&#8217;s in order to be so.  Toughness is through being a bruiser.  When the ball is in the air or loose, or when you are boxing someone out.  This is where people are &#8220;tough&#8221; or &#8220;enforcers.&#8221;  Especially in playoff basketball.</p>
<p>A true sign of toughness isn&#8217;t how many technical or flagrant fouls you get.  The toughness comes out because people simply do not want to go down low and get that rebound against you.  Or they just do want to venture into the paint for that layup.</p>
<p>Artest is 6&#8217;7&#8243; and listed as 260lb.  I think that he is undoubtedly heavier, but let&#8217;s just assume 260.  This is with minimal fat and a hard ass attitude.  This guy is a BEAST.  You will not find a more intimidating linebalker in all of football. Furthremore his attitude is where the toughness comes from.</p>
<p>Carmelo was single handedly DESTROYING us in the playoffs.  Whether going to the basket or getting offensive rebounds.  He was simply too powerful for Kobe and Ariza was like a flee on his back.  Lebron would be the same.  Against Artest, these guys are the flees.  Are they going to push Artest out of the way for a rebound down low?  Are they going to back Artest down?</p>
<p>There are a lot of things you can say regarding Artest.  I just can&#8217;t believe that you chose the one thing on which even his detractors agree on &#8212;that he makes his team &#8220;tougher.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Igor Avidon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Igor Avidon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=25

Look at Ron&#039;s personal foul avg per game and technical fouls.  He got less technicals than Kobe for the season (4 to KB&#039;s 11) and averaged slightly less personal fouls (2.2) than Kobe (2.3) while playing just one minute less on average.  He&#039;s been ejected out of a game ONCE in the last SIX years.  I think it&#039;s safe to say Ron can stay on the court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=25" rel="nofollow">http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=25</a></p>
<p>Look at Ron&#8217;s personal foul avg per game and technical fouls.  He got less technicals than Kobe for the season (4 to KB&#8217;s 11) and averaged slightly less personal fouls (2.2) than Kobe (2.3) while playing just one minute less on average.  He&#8217;s been ejected out of a game ONCE in the last SIX years.  I think it&#8217;s safe to say Ron can stay on the court.</p>
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		<title>By: Burgundy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burgundy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way - I meant for that smiley face to be a #8 - sorry about that.

Also, I truly hope Shannon Brown is playing big minutes once the playoffs start because that will mean the Lakers found a worthy successor to Fish. 

In the lineup the Lakers will be trotting out next year, the point guard&#039;s job will be to play hard-nosed on-ball defense, and connect on 40% of the wide-open threes he is afforded.  I think Shannon Brown can deliver on that and throw in a dunk on a break-away each game for good measure!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way &#8211; I meant for that smiley face to be a #8 &#8211; sorry about that.</p>
<p>Also, I truly hope Shannon Brown is playing big minutes once the playoffs start because that will mean the Lakers found a worthy successor to Fish. </p>
<p>In the lineup the Lakers will be trotting out next year, the point guard&#8217;s job will be to play hard-nosed on-ball defense, and connect on 40% of the wide-open threes he is afforded.  I think Shannon Brown can deliver on that and throw in a dunk on a break-away each game for good measure!</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New post up</description>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff here and no need to continue to echo many of the same points.

But I do want to point out that the lack of news about LO is probably a good thing.  Let&#039;s look at this through the prism of the Lee/Ariza situation.

What if LO&#039;s agent is quietly shopping offers.  He probably has an offer in hand from Lakers around the rumored 24/3yr mark.  Mitch probably gave the same scenario to LO&#039;s agent.  Here&#039;s our offer, see what you can get on the open market and come back to us to talk.

LO is probably happy with the Lakers offer but his agent is counseling him to be patient and see if he can drum up a competing offer to drive the Lakers up another mill a year or tack on another year.  Lakers probably are willing to do that but not without some kind of competing offer.

LO and his agent aren&#039;t making waves, LO would probably be happy with the current offer but wouldn&#039;t mind more.  

He and his agent are approaching this the professional way.  Pure guesswork on my part of course.  But I&#039;m trying to be optimistic about the lack of news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff here and no need to continue to echo many of the same points.</p>
<p>But I do want to point out that the lack of news about LO is probably a good thing.  Let&#8217;s look at this through the prism of the Lee/Ariza situation.</p>
<p>What if LO&#8217;s agent is quietly shopping offers.  He probably has an offer in hand from Lakers around the rumored 24/3yr mark.  Mitch probably gave the same scenario to LO&#8217;s agent.  Here&#8217;s our offer, see what you can get on the open market and come back to us to talk.</p>
<p>LO is probably happy with the Lakers offer but his agent is counseling him to be patient and see if he can drum up a competing offer to drive the Lakers up another mill a year or tack on another year.  Lakers probably are willing to do that but not without some kind of competing offer.</p>
<p>LO and his agent aren&#8217;t making waves, LO would probably be happy with the current offer but wouldn&#8217;t mind more.  </p>
<p>He and his agent are approaching this the professional way.  Pure guesswork on my part of course.  But I&#8217;m trying to be optimistic about the lack of news.</p>
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		<title>By: Arizafan21</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arizafan21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not agree with the lakers giving up ariza for artest.. can artest stay in the game... if they make it to the playoffs will he go overboard on t&#039;s? If something isn&#039;t broke don&#039;t fix it.. all that can happen now is the lakers can fall apart.. with ariza they have a solid young team that i do not see falling apart.. with out him and with artest i see a chemical combustion of egos coming.. please prove me wrong!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not agree with the lakers giving up ariza for artest.. can artest stay in the game&#8230; if they make it to the playoffs will he go overboard on t&#8217;s? If something isn&#8217;t broke don&#8217;t fix it.. all that can happen now is the lakers can fall apart.. with ariza they have a solid young team that i do not see falling apart.. with out him and with artest i see a chemical combustion of egos coming.. please prove me wrong!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From RicBucher&#039;s twitter:

Latest on LO and Portland: Blazers not interested, according to a source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From RicBucher&#8217;s twitter:</p>
<p>Latest on LO and Portland: Blazers not interested, according to a source.</p>
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