Comments on: The Art (and Artest) of Being A Fan http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/07/06/the-art-and-artest-of-being-a-fan/ A Lakers Blog. Thoughts, reflections, and the odd rant on the Los Angeles Lakers and the NBA (even the Clippers). Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:18:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: glove32 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/07/06/the-art-and-artest-of-being-a-fan/comment-page-3/#comment-624331 glove32 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:24:53 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1685#comment-624331 Here is a link of Artest signing his contract with the Lakers followed by a toast after the signing http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/090708lakerssignronartest.html Here is a link of Artest signing his contract with the Lakers followed by a toast after the signing

http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/090708lakerssignronartest.html

]]> By: China Travel Guide http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/07/06/the-art-and-artest-of-being-a-fan/comment-page-3/#comment-624311 China Travel Guide Wed, 08 Jul 2009 11:21:34 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1685#comment-624311 Great news! Artest is the soul of Rocket(but not YAO), his defense and 3 pt shooting will help Lakers much. Great news!
Artest is the soul of Rocket(but not YAO), his defense and 3 pt shooting will help Lakers much.

]]> By: exhelodrvr http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/07/06/the-art-and-artest-of-being-a-fan/comment-page-3/#comment-624302 exhelodrvr Wed, 08 Jul 2009 04:39:32 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1685#comment-624302 Artest is definitely a risk. Artest is definitely a risk.

]]> By: Renato http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/07/06/the-art-and-artest-of-being-a-fan/comment-page-3/#comment-624252 Renato Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:57:59 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1685#comment-624252 We all know Ron Artest is a "S. O. B." but, now He is our :S. O. B." Congratulations to the Lakers GM. Repeat!! We all know Ron Artest is a “S. O. B.” but, now He is our :S. O. B.”

Congratulations to the Lakers GM.

Repeat!!

]]> By: flip http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/07/06/the-art-and-artest-of-being-a-fan/comment-page-3/#comment-624237 flip Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:06:56 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1685#comment-624237 i thought that kurt's concerns were spot on - and don't think that some lakers don't feel the same way. Artest will have to prove that he can handle himself to his teammates. It helps that kobe is in his corner, but I don't think anyone forgot that he got kicked out a crucial time in a very important game. It took a while for Byron Scott to be accepted by Magic and others after Nixon was traded. I know this is not the same thing, but I think (I hope!) Artest realizes the situation he's coming into. I think (I hope!) he makes the best of it. But he's got to show and prove. i thought that kurt’s concerns were spot on – and don’t think that some lakers don’t feel the same way. Artest will have to prove that he can handle himself to his teammates. It helps that kobe is in his corner, but I don’t think anyone forgot that he got kicked out a crucial time in a very important game. It took a while for Byron Scott to be accepted by Magic and others after Nixon was traded. I know this is not the same thing, but I think (I hope!) Artest realizes the situation he’s coming into. I think (I hope!) he makes the best of it. But he’s got to show and prove.

]]> By: steven c http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/07/06/the-art-and-artest-of-being-a-fan/comment-page-3/#comment-624222 steven c Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:55:47 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1685#comment-624222 there appear to be a number of writers above who think the lakers overpaid for brown. uh, so? is it your money? thought not! does it stop them resigning LO? Thought not! As for Ariza/Artest. I too am very sorry to see Lakers lose TA, my favorite role player, but... If Kobe and Phil think (as well as Mr Buss) that Artest can be "handled", it seems to me this "trade" had to be made. Artest played for a mediocre Chicago team, a mediocre Indiana team and a mediocre Kings team, so he took more shots than might be warranted. With Houston, as pointed out above, he took 18% of the shots when McG and Yao played as well. By playoff time, with the two out he became the hub and..guess what, the Lakers enveloped him and he shot poorly! Simply stated, unless he goes rogue, it seems to me it was an upgrade and a deal that should have been done. Even though Ariza did go to that community college in Westwood, I wish him nothing but good fortune. He seems to be a good guy, was an invaluable player and is young enought that he can continue growing. However, he's landed in a bad spot, where without Yao and McG he may be expected to do too much on a poor team and won't be allowed to develop normally. As for standing pat, first that's not so good when the others ARE taking steps to upgrade, and I remind people that the 80s Lakers traded Nixon for Scott and added McAdoo and Mychael Thompson successfully and Spencer Haywood (not so much!). To put it in simple terms I think Jerry West would have made this deal and that's enough for me! But as hack reporters say, ending their pieces "Only time will tell!" there appear to be a number of writers above who think the lakers overpaid for brown. uh, so? is it your money? thought not! does it stop them resigning LO? Thought not!
As for Ariza/Artest. I too am very sorry to see Lakers lose TA, my favorite role player, but…
If Kobe and Phil think (as well as Mr Buss) that Artest can be “handled”, it seems to me this “trade” had to be made.
Artest played for a mediocre Chicago team, a mediocre Indiana team and a mediocre Kings team, so he took more shots than might be warranted. With Houston, as pointed out above, he took 18% of the shots when McG and Yao played as well. By playoff time, with the two out he became the hub and..guess what, the Lakers enveloped him and he shot poorly!
Simply stated, unless he goes rogue, it seems to me it was an upgrade and a deal that should have been done.
Even though Ariza did go to that community college in Westwood, I wish him nothing but good fortune. He seems to be a good guy, was an invaluable player and is young enought that he can continue growing. However, he’s landed in a bad spot, where without Yao and McG he may be expected to do too much on a poor team and won’t be allowed to develop normally.
As for standing pat, first that’s not so good when the others ARE taking steps to upgrade, and I remind people that the 80s Lakers traded Nixon for Scott and added McAdoo and Mychael Thompson successfully and Spencer Haywood (not so much!). To put it in simple terms I think Jerry West would have made this deal and that’s enough for me!
But as hack reporters say, ending their pieces “Only time will tell!”

]]> By: LakerPauer http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/07/06/the-art-and-artest-of-being-a-fan/comment-page-3/#comment-624215 LakerPauer Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:06:53 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1685#comment-624215 Man... Since when did signing a superstar that averaged 17, 5, and 3 over a semi-proven kid that averaged 8 and 4 become such a heart rending issue. I enjoyed watching Trevor as well, but I understand that when the opportunity to sign a better overall player comes along, you have to take it. I'm going to describe a player we're all familiar with: He played on awful teams for several years, often railed his teammates for their lack of production, got into problems with the FO, had horrendous incident caused enormous fallout, and was largely blamed for the explosion of a good team. That's right, Kobe. Artest, like Kobe, wants to win more than anything, wants to compete on every play. The primary difference is that Artest has never been on ultra competitive teams. If Kobe had played for Indie, Sac, or Huston things might have played out similarly. Artest gets fed up with mediocrity, enraged at all aspects of the lethargic. Are the Lakers lazy and mediocre? Man… Since when did signing a superstar that averaged 17, 5, and 3 over a semi-proven kid that averaged 8 and 4 become such a heart rending issue. I enjoyed watching Trevor as well, but I understand that when the opportunity to sign a better overall player comes along, you have to take it.

I’m going to describe a player we’re all familiar with:

He played on awful teams for several years, often railed his teammates for their lack of production, got into problems with the FO, had horrendous incident caused enormous fallout, and was largely blamed for the explosion of a good team.

That’s right, Kobe.

Artest, like Kobe, wants to win more than anything, wants to compete on every play. The primary difference is that Artest has never been on ultra competitive teams. If Kobe had played for Indie, Sac, or Huston things might have played out similarly. Artest gets fed up with mediocrity, enraged at all aspects of the lethargic. Are the Lakers lazy and mediocre?

]]> By: Jeremy http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/07/06/the-art-and-artest-of-being-a-fan/comment-page-3/#comment-624210 Jeremy Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:21:45 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1685#comment-624210 What constitutes a black hole on offense? I looked at the games in which Mcgrady, Yao and Artest played together last season (14) During that time the Rockets averaged 79 field goals and 17 3pts with Artest accounting for 18% of fg's and 28% of 3pts (14 & 5). This does not seem abnormally high. What constitutes a black hole on offense?

I looked at the games in which Mcgrady, Yao and Artest played together last season (14)

During that time the Rockets averaged 79 field goals and 17 3pts with Artest accounting for 18% of fg’s and 28% of 3pts (14 & 5). This does not seem abnormally high.

]]> By: Zephid http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/07/06/the-art-and-artest-of-being-a-fan/comment-page-3/#comment-624182 Zephid Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:56:42 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1685#comment-624182 ^^, math major pursuing advanced degree... ^^, math major pursuing advanced degree…

]]> By: Benjamin http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/07/06/the-art-and-artest-of-being-a-fan/comment-page-3/#comment-624173 Benjamin Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:56:44 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=1685#comment-624173 @74 Math majors are generally nuts, especially those that pursue advanced degrees. Well known at most academic institutions, including the institution that consistently has the highest rated math program in the United States. Still feeling good about Artest? Liked by coaches and teammates (except when he wanted to bail Indiana after teammates went into the stands to help him--they did feel a little betrayed) makes me a lot more comfortable with the guy. Mitch, Phil, Kobe and Lamar all signed off on him. I think we're going to be okay. @74

Math majors are generally nuts, especially those that pursue advanced degrees.

Well known at most academic institutions, including the institution that consistently has the highest rated math program in the United States.

Still feeling good about Artest?

Liked by coaches and teammates (except when he wanted to bail Indiana after teammates went into the stands to help him–they did feel a little betrayed) makes me a lot more comfortable with the guy.

Mitch, Phil, Kobe and Lamar all signed off on him. I think we’re going to be okay.

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