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	<title>Comments on: Odom, Summer League Notes, Part Deux</title>
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		<title>By: amyfieldadams</title>
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		<dc:creator>amyfieldadams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 02:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The new season is going to be great.</description>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 04:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just throwing it out their but I don&#039;t think too many fans want to see Odom leave us. BUT would you want to stick around and be the number six? Exactly the guy has almost got his hands tied!

Ben from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://idigibuzz.com/how-to-jump-higher-increase-your-vertical/increase-your-vertical/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;increase my vertical&lt;/a&gt; hub.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just throwing it out their but I don&#8217;t think too many fans want to see Odom leave us. BUT would you want to stick around and be the number six? Exactly the guy has almost got his hands tied!</p>
<p>Ben from the <a href="http://idigibuzz.com/how-to-jump-higher-increase-your-vertical/increase-your-vertical/" rel="nofollow">increase my vertical</a> hub.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ammo = Adam Morrison</description>
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		<title>By: Lorenzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorenzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is AMMO?</description>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>amen regarding Pau staying in LA.  The $$$ he is generating in Europe now that he is an NBA champ must make him one of the most valuable players to a franchise in the league.  He&#039;s worth max money for a long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amen regarding Pau staying in LA.  The $$$ he is generating in Europe now that he is an NBA champ must make him one of the most valuable players to a franchise in the league.  He&#8217;s worth max money for a long time.</p>
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		<title>By: kaveh</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaveh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anonymous

Kobe and Pau will remain lakers for the rest of their lives.  Odom, i don&#039;t care what his contract is, cannot possibly affect this reality.  Both are currently at max contracts, and raises won&#039;t be much.  Not to mention that Buss can and will pay whatever to keep those two.  

One conversation has nothing to do with the other.  Also remember that the lakers have a 3-4 year window and that is it.  Without Kobe, it will take time to rebuild.  Kobe is the top player in the NBA --no team can stay in championship contention when they lose the best player in the league.  

So of importance is the next 3-4 years ---that looks great when you have Odom back, whether for 8 or 10 mil per year.  Without Odom or a player of his caliber, a championship is not possible in my book.  The lakers do have options even with Odom.  But with Odom, it&#039;s just so much easier.

In my opinion i don&#039;t think Odom wants to be in LA.  He wants to be a starter and a major player, like he was this year.  As we go forward, his role will shrink to strictly a 6th man.  I don&#039;t think Odom wants this.  He wants to be 2-3 option.</description>
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<p>Kobe and Pau will remain lakers for the rest of their lives.  Odom, i don&#8217;t care what his contract is, cannot possibly affect this reality.  Both are currently at max contracts, and raises won&#8217;t be much.  Not to mention that Buss can and will pay whatever to keep those two.  </p>
<p>One conversation has nothing to do with the other.  Also remember that the lakers have a 3-4 year window and that is it.  Without Kobe, it will take time to rebuild.  Kobe is the top player in the NBA &#8211;no team can stay in championship contention when they lose the best player in the league.  </p>
<p>So of importance is the next 3-4 years &#8212;that looks great when you have Odom back, whether for 8 or 10 mil per year.  Without Odom or a player of his caliber, a championship is not possible in my book.  The lakers do have options even with Odom.  But with Odom, it&#8217;s just so much easier.</p>
<p>In my opinion i don&#8217;t think Odom wants to be in LA.  He wants to be a starter and a major player, like he was this year.  As we go forward, his role will shrink to strictly a 6th man.  I don&#8217;t think Odom wants this.  He wants to be 2-3 option.</p>
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		<title>By: drrayeye</title>
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		<dc:creator>drrayeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at the immediate and near financial future, both of the Lakers and the NBA, I&#039;d be forced to be pessimistic.  Looking at this year&#039;s Laker NBA championship, I&#039;d find it difficult not to be optimistic about the immediate future.

It creates some contradictory expectations in salary negotiations--especially as team salaries rise into the range of luxury tax hell--where busness decisions begin to distort basketball decisions.

For next year, having Lamar back even at a luxury tax busting level seems reasonable.  For each year that follows, the apparent risk rises and the reward goes down.

Given the realities and proven contract agreements for this year, the value of individual players as free agents has dropped precipitously.  Lamar Odom is currently worth no more than the MLE on today&#039;s market for this year--and maybe not even that much.  However, to keep him part of the Laker team next year, we might be willing to offer Lamar as much as $10 million for one year--though we would prefer less.

Now there is year 2, 3, 4, etc. . . . . .

These are not so clear as the risk goes up and the reward goes down.  In the Lakers case, there are structural issues which are not in Lamar&#039;s favor downstream.  Under those circumstances, the MLE for five years may be too risky.

If it were me, I would not offer more than 3 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at the immediate and near financial future, both of the Lakers and the NBA, I&#8217;d be forced to be pessimistic.  Looking at this year&#8217;s Laker NBA championship, I&#8217;d find it difficult not to be optimistic about the immediate future.</p>
<p>It creates some contradictory expectations in salary negotiations&#8211;especially as team salaries rise into the range of luxury tax hell&#8211;where busness decisions begin to distort basketball decisions.</p>
<p>For next year, having Lamar back even at a luxury tax busting level seems reasonable.  For each year that follows, the apparent risk rises and the reward goes down.</p>
<p>Given the realities and proven contract agreements for this year, the value of individual players as free agents has dropped precipitously.  Lamar Odom is currently worth no more than the MLE on today&#8217;s market for this year&#8211;and maybe not even that much.  However, to keep him part of the Laker team next year, we might be willing to offer Lamar as much as $10 million for one year&#8211;though we would prefer less.</p>
<p>Now there is year 2, 3, 4, etc. . . . . .</p>
<p>These are not so clear as the risk goes up and the reward goes down.  In the Lakers case, there are structural issues which are not in Lamar&#8217;s favor downstream.  Under those circumstances, the MLE for five years may be too risky.</p>
<p>If it were me, I would not offer more than 3 years.</p>
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		<title>By: boywona5</title>
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		<dc:creator>boywona5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh candyman!! he knows we probably dont win w/o him next yr if he leaves, he also knows we repeats if he stays. sign n trade is perfect. if he wants 2 get paid go 4 it,miami only wants em cuz iverson wont sit &amp; utahs jacking up the price on boozer. im not crazy we dont beat houston or denver w/o LO but he&#039;s been MIA for real at times as well. keep it lo key n ask 24 if he&#039;s willing to restucture his deal. so if we give LO his 8-9 mil. &amp; agree to ship em for some laker pieces heres where i go 1.miami (of course) - we basically gave em a ring w/ the shaq trade we need some love in return they get LO &amp; morrison or we get moon or oneal &amp; haslem or beasley any combo you perfer (no chalmers we dont need more guards) 2.new york - we get lee the most athletic big we can get (darius miles,hmm) &amp; hughes they get LO &amp; luke (wont hurt as bad as it seems). 3.chicago - we get hinrich &amp; ty thomas they get LO &amp; farmar. there is life after LO believe it or not just gotta get younger. REPEAT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh candyman!! he knows we probably dont win w/o him next yr if he leaves, he also knows we repeats if he stays. sign n trade is perfect. if he wants 2 get paid go 4 it,miami only wants em cuz iverson wont sit &amp; utahs jacking up the price on boozer. im not crazy we dont beat houston or denver w/o LO but he&#8217;s been MIA for real at times as well. keep it lo key n ask 24 if he&#8217;s willing to restucture his deal. so if we give LO his 8-9 mil. &amp; agree to ship em for some laker pieces heres where i go 1.miami (of course) &#8211; we basically gave em a ring w/ the shaq trade we need some love in return they get LO &amp; morrison or we get moon or oneal &amp; haslem or beasley any combo you perfer (no chalmers we dont need more guards) 2.new york &#8211; we get lee the most athletic big we can get (darius miles,hmm) &amp; hughes they get LO &amp; luke (wont hurt as bad as it seems). 3.chicago &#8211; we get hinrich &amp; ty thomas they get LO &amp; farmar. there is life after LO believe it or not just gotta get younger. REPEAT</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>new post up</description>
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		<title>By: Gr8dunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gr8dunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s next for Odom?
By Elliott Teaford 
We know two teams are bidding for the services of Lamar Odom, the Lakers and the Miami Heat. What we don&#039;t know, as of this morning, is which team has the best shot at signing Odom. My guess is that he will spend the weekend deciding whether to take the Lakers&#039; offer of either $30 million over three years or $36 million over four or the Heat&#039;s offer of the full mid-level exception ($34 million or so over five years). There&#039;s no third option as far as I know. Portland isn&#039;t in the picture at present, although the Trail Blazers could jump into the fray after losing out on signing Hedo Turkoglu and Paul Millsap. Dallas apparently isn&#039;t in the mix despite Mavericks owner Mark Cuban&#039;s expressed interest in Odom. So, it&#039;s an either or situation for Odom, who must decide between the Lakers and Heat.</description>
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By Elliott Teaford<br />
We know two teams are bidding for the services of Lamar Odom, the Lakers and the Miami Heat. What we don&#8217;t know, as of this morning, is which team has the best shot at signing Odom. My guess is that he will spend the weekend deciding whether to take the Lakers&#8217; offer of either $30 million over three years or $36 million over four or the Heat&#8217;s offer of the full mid-level exception ($34 million or so over five years). There&#8217;s no third option as far as I know. Portland isn&#8217;t in the picture at present, although the Trail Blazers could jump into the fray after losing out on signing Hedo Turkoglu and Paul Millsap. Dallas apparently isn&#8217;t in the mix despite Mavericks owner Mark Cuban&#8217;s expressed interest in Odom. So, it&#8217;s an either or situation for Odom, who must decide between the Lakers and Heat.</p>
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