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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/09/30/second-verse-same-as-the-first/comment-page-2/#comment-629212</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To echo Craig and pickandroll, I&#039;m quite fine with Kobe the way he is. You can&#039;t accept the supreme confidence and competitiveness that makes him who is if you&#039;re not going to accept a few (not as many as some people may think) bad shots here and there. For the most part he plays the game intelligently and adjusts his approach to suit the needs of the team.

Besides, LeBron is a bigger ballhog and I&#039;m sure Cleveland fans are satisfied with him so far...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To echo Craig and pickandroll, I&#8217;m quite fine with Kobe the way he is. You can&#8217;t accept the supreme confidence and competitiveness that makes him who is if you&#8217;re not going to accept a few (not as many as some people may think) bad shots here and there. For the most part he plays the game intelligently and adjusts his approach to suit the needs of the team.</p>
<p>Besides, LeBron is a bigger ballhog and I&#8217;m sure Cleveland fans are satisfied with him so far&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: domz</title>
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		<dc:creator>domz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 01:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kamla and Reggie: Lakers can beat the 72 win record of 96 Bulls but will lose against the celdicks in the finals? wtf?!

reggie also said &quot;when the lakers TRADED for Ron artest&quot; when talking with mitch. oh please reggie. you fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kamla and Reggie: Lakers can beat the 72 win record of 96 Bulls but will lose against the celdicks in the finals? wtf?!</p>
<p>reggie also said &#8220;when the lakers TRADED for Ron artest&#8221; when talking with mitch. oh please reggie. you fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Darius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 05:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking to P Ami&#039;s comment (#30) and drrayeye&#039;s post (#42)...

I agree that the team that we&#039;ll see this upcoming season will still run and will not play a slow down game at all costs.  We have smart players that will pick their spots and run where it makes sense.  No team can be successful without getting some easy buckets and we have the talent to take advantage of those chances.  

Also, I agree that strong defense can fuel fast breaks, much like we saw with the 90&#039;s Bulls and the early 2000&#039;s Lakers.  Stops lead to running opportunities and, hopefully, we&#039;ll be getting plenty of stops.  Speaking about those Bulls teams specifically, they had the type of team (from a personnel standpoint) that was built on running off of stops.  In their first 3peat, they had Jordan and Pippen who were two of the best perimeter defenders in the league while also having Grant and some solid guards (Paxon, Armstrong) that were real pros and just knew how to play the game.  All of that strength in the backcourt and wings will lead to a team that can run and control the pace in the manner that they see fit on any given possession.  Our current roster is different than theirs (as you, P Ami describe) with the strength of our frontcourt and the shakiness of our guards outside of Kobe.  But, as I said earlier, I do think that the overall talent and smarts of our team will lead to us making the most of all our opportunities - both in fast break, secondary break, and half court situations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking to P Ami&#8217;s comment (#30) and drrayeye&#8217;s post (#42)&#8230;</p>
<p>I agree that the team that we&#8217;ll see this upcoming season will still run and will not play a slow down game at all costs.  We have smart players that will pick their spots and run where it makes sense.  No team can be successful without getting some easy buckets and we have the talent to take advantage of those chances.  </p>
<p>Also, I agree that strong defense can fuel fast breaks, much like we saw with the 90&#8242;s Bulls and the early 2000&#8242;s Lakers.  Stops lead to running opportunities and, hopefully, we&#8217;ll be getting plenty of stops.  Speaking about those Bulls teams specifically, they had the type of team (from a personnel standpoint) that was built on running off of stops.  In their first 3peat, they had Jordan and Pippen who were two of the best perimeter defenders in the league while also having Grant and some solid guards (Paxon, Armstrong) that were real pros and just knew how to play the game.  All of that strength in the backcourt and wings will lead to a team that can run and control the pace in the manner that they see fit on any given possession.  Our current roster is different than theirs (as you, P Ami describe) with the strength of our frontcourt and the shakiness of our guards outside of Kobe.  But, as I said earlier, I do think that the overall talent and smarts of our team will lead to us making the most of all our opportunities &#8211; both in fast break, secondary break, and half court situations.</p>
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		<title>By: sT</title>
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		<dc:creator>sT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 04:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darius, nice work on your post, especially the W-O-W videos.  I am really looking forward to seeing Shannon play this year with a full training camp with the team to learn the Triangle to perfection.  He is always an exciting player to watch, I hope he takes the starting PG spot by the end of the season. 

&quot;Sometimes old things need to go away. That way, we have room for the new things that come into our lives.” – Randy K. Milholand</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darius, nice work on your post, especially the W-O-W videos.  I am really looking forward to seeing Shannon play this year with a full training camp with the team to learn the Triangle to perfection.  He is always an exciting player to watch, I hope he takes the starting PG spot by the end of the season. </p>
<p>&#8220;Sometimes old things need to go away. That way, we have room for the new things that come into our lives.” – Randy K. Milholand</p>
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		<title>By: pickandroll8</title>
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		<dc:creator>pickandroll8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 04:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Craig, people are entitled to their opinions and thats what makes these forums so interesting. I guess we all see what we want to see at times and people cant ever get away from that... but i know who&#039;s hands I would want the ball in come the last few moments of a close game... people who say Kobe is still a ball hog just don&#039;t recognise what an awesome team playmaker he has become. 

How many times did we see, during the Finals, Kobe catching the ball within 16 feet of the basket on the wing, waiting for the help defender to slide over and hit the open man for a pass? Not forgetting the pass that led to the assist on Fish&#039;s game tying 3 and the assist to Fish for the overtime dagger? What about the beautiful drive past 4 defenders and the over the shoulder flip pass to a trailing Gasol? For Christ&#039;s sake, people need to be open at least to the idea that a player can change!

*ahem* thats my whinging done =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Craig, people are entitled to their opinions and thats what makes these forums so interesting. I guess we all see what we want to see at times and people cant ever get away from that&#8230; but i know who&#8217;s hands I would want the ball in come the last few moments of a close game&#8230; people who say Kobe is still a ball hog just don&#8217;t recognise what an awesome team playmaker he has become. </p>
<p>How many times did we see, during the Finals, Kobe catching the ball within 16 feet of the basket on the wing, waiting for the help defender to slide over and hit the open man for a pass? Not forgetting the pass that led to the assist on Fish&#8217;s game tying 3 and the assist to Fish for the overtime dagger? What about the beautiful drive past 4 defenders and the over the shoulder flip pass to a trailing Gasol? For Christ&#8217;s sake, people need to be open at least to the idea that a player can change!</p>
<p>*ahem* thats my whinging done =)</p>
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		<title>By: Craig W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 03:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Zephid, not all of us wish Kobe would change. Many of us like him just the way he is. He is our leader -- and a darn good one at that. He is our assassin -- and a darn good one at that. He keeps the voltage high - and thank goodness for that on this team.

I wish people would stop making statements about Kobe and assume we all share the same negative view of his personality.

Outstanding champions will always rub some people the wrong way -- that is the price you pay for an ego large enough to drive teams to difficult to reach heights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Zephid, not all of us wish Kobe would change. Many of us like him just the way he is. He is our leader &#8212; and a darn good one at that. He is our assassin &#8212; and a darn good one at that. He keeps the voltage high &#8211; and thank goodness for that on this team.</p>
<p>I wish people would stop making statements about Kobe and assume we all share the same negative view of his personality.</p>
<p>Outstanding champions will always rub some people the wrong way &#8212; that is the price you pay for an ego large enough to drive teams to difficult to reach heights.</p>
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		<title>By: DirtySanchez</title>
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		<dc:creator>DirtySanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 03:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The label of cant win without( you know who) is finally gone. The only thing to prove is the fact that he can truly be a great teamate and actually seem like he cares about them. Why you think he did that Spike Lee thing last year? It didnt seem like he could really crack a joke,  almost seemed staged at some points, but it showed that he could interact with his teamates on a regular basis. Made him look more personable and approachable than years in the past, instead of looking like a self absorbed ego maniac. He wants to come across as your next door neighbor who so happens can play a little ball. 

KB is an intelligent dude and he knows that the only way he will stay ahead of LeBron as the best player in the league is to keep winning those rings. He cant do it by himself, he has to have the right pieces to supplement his game and make him look great in the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The label of cant win without( you know who) is finally gone. The only thing to prove is the fact that he can truly be a great teamate and actually seem like he cares about them. Why you think he did that Spike Lee thing last year? It didnt seem like he could really crack a joke,  almost seemed staged at some points, but it showed that he could interact with his teamates on a regular basis. Made him look more personable and approachable than years in the past, instead of looking like a self absorbed ego maniac. He wants to come across as your next door neighbor who so happens can play a little ball. </p>
<p>KB is an intelligent dude and he knows that the only way he will stay ahead of LeBron as the best player in the league is to keep winning those rings. He cant do it by himself, he has to have the right pieces to supplement his game and make him look great in the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Zephid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zephid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 02:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>55, I&#039;d be willing to bet that Kobe will be just as ball-hoggish as he&#039;s ever been.  I don&#039;t think just because his game has changed that his personality will as well.  He will still try to take over any game that&#039;s close late, and he will still jack up terrible shots every now and then, just like he did last year.  And he definitely doesn&#039;t want to deal with &quot;is Kobe finally starting to lose his edge?&quot; questions all year.  Of course, we all wish he would change.  But he won&#039;t, because he&#039;s Kobe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>55, I&#8217;d be willing to bet that Kobe will be just as ball-hoggish as he&#8217;s ever been.  I don&#8217;t think just because his game has changed that his personality will as well.  He will still try to take over any game that&#8217;s close late, and he will still jack up terrible shots every now and then, just like he did last year.  And he definitely doesn&#8217;t want to deal with &#8220;is Kobe finally starting to lose his edge?&#8221; questions all year.  Of course, we all wish he would change.  But he won&#8217;t, because he&#8217;s Kobe.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kamla and Miller are unremittingly awful.</description>
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		<title>By: j.d. Hastings</title>
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		<dc:creator>j.d. Hastings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 23:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>54- so you&#039;re saying you want sasha to carve a star into the back of his hair?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>54- so you&#8217;re saying you want sasha to carve a star into the back of his hair?</p>
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