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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New post up, what to expect with Gasol back.</description>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P. Ami,

The reason that so few teams run the triple post is that it is an experienced-based offense as opposed to a play-driven offense. It relies on players knowing when and whom to pass to. Colleges don&#039;t run it because players get cycled through too quickly, which means that virtually no rookies are accustomed to it at all when they enter the NBA. That being said, it is possible that even with a veteran cast of players, we aren&#039;t playing it well because there is a lot of newness to our game so far this season. Kobe is playing more of a post role, which takes getting used to for the players around him. Bynum is trying to live up to the ginormous contract he was given, so more of the offense is going into him than it had last year. Finally (and most importantly), Pau is not in the offense. He is so skilled at making the proper pass and making our offense flow. Given all of these reasons, it should not be terribly surprising that the offense isn&#039;t smooth as silk yet. We&#039;ll get there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P. Ami,</p>
<p>The reason that so few teams run the triple post is that it is an experienced-based offense as opposed to a play-driven offense. It relies on players knowing when and whom to pass to. Colleges don&#8217;t run it because players get cycled through too quickly, which means that virtually no rookies are accustomed to it at all when they enter the NBA. That being said, it is possible that even with a veteran cast of players, we aren&#8217;t playing it well because there is a lot of newness to our game so far this season. Kobe is playing more of a post role, which takes getting used to for the players around him. Bynum is trying to live up to the ginormous contract he was given, so more of the offense is going into him than it had last year. Finally (and most importantly), Pau is not in the offense. He is so skilled at making the proper pass and making our offense flow. Given all of these reasons, it should not be terribly surprising that the offense isn&#8217;t smooth as silk yet. We&#8217;ll get there.</p>
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		<title>By: j.d. Hastings</title>
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		<dc:creator>j.d. Hastings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody who watched Pau on CSI- after he gets into the car accident does he check his nose for blood?  HUGE missed opportunity if they didn&#039;t</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody who watched Pau on CSI- after he gets into the car accident does he check his nose for blood?  HUGE missed opportunity if they didn&#8217;t</p>
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		<title>By: gxs</title>
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		<dc:creator>gxs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Jackson was asked if he was concerned Gasol was being gun-shy, he jumped in and said, “That he’s a hypochondriac and might be a baby and won’t come out and play? Is that what you’re trying to say with that question?” 

&#039;Nuff said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Jackson was asked if he was concerned Gasol was being gun-shy, he jumped in and said, “That he’s a hypochondriac and might be a baby and won’t come out and play? Is that what you’re trying to say with that question?” </p>
<p>&#8216;Nuff said.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil has 10 rings and we don&#039;t, so I for one am not going to question his strategies. If he needs to tinker with things in the fall to be sure he has a firm understanding of the team come June, so be it. 

Remember this time last year Vlad was starting, Luke was buried for no apparent reason, and Ariza was a spark off the bench. That had all changed when things mattered most, in part because Phil got to test things out on the floor over the course of the season.

That said, I haven&#039;t liked the way the bench has been used so far this year. Too many mass substitutions and changes from game to game. But I take comfort in remebering that leading the standing in November isn&#039;t the end goal.

Pau&#039;s absence, and now Luke, certainly hasn&#039;t helped foster any continuity either. These things will pass.

I&#039;ve not given up on Sasha just yet, though the hope isn&#039;t buring too bright at this point. He had a nice few minutes against the Hornets a few nights ago but hasn&#039;t produced as well since. I agree with those who noted his minutes have fallen as Farmar and Shannon have played well. Jordan looked like the old Jordan last night. Let&#039;s see more of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil has 10 rings and we don&#8217;t, so I for one am not going to question his strategies. If he needs to tinker with things in the fall to be sure he has a firm understanding of the team come June, so be it. </p>
<p>Remember this time last year Vlad was starting, Luke was buried for no apparent reason, and Ariza was a spark off the bench. That had all changed when things mattered most, in part because Phil got to test things out on the floor over the course of the season.</p>
<p>That said, I haven&#8217;t liked the way the bench has been used so far this year. Too many mass substitutions and changes from game to game. But I take comfort in remebering that leading the standing in November isn&#8217;t the end goal.</p>
<p>Pau&#8217;s absence, and now Luke, certainly hasn&#8217;t helped foster any continuity either. These things will pass.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve not given up on Sasha just yet, though the hope isn&#8217;t buring too bright at this point. He had a nice few minutes against the Hornets a few nights ago but hasn&#8217;t produced as well since. I agree with those who noted his minutes have fallen as Farmar and Shannon have played well. Jordan looked like the old Jordan last night. Let&#8217;s see more of that.</p>
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		<title>By: P. Ami</title>
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		<dc:creator>P. Ami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found the Fish interview intriguing. I think it is easy for many of us to see when things are working and when they are not. For those of us without proper coaching, it&#039;s difficult for us to see the why and we often just resort to plugging in the uber-talented members of the NBA who, whether a play is run well or not, will make a play. Put Kobe back in, when we get Pau back, when LO gets back to leading the bench- those are all just ways of saying, I don;t know what is going wrong, I just know these guys can transcend proper execution. So, with the clue that Fish&#039;s interview provides us, can anybody with good X&#039;s and O&#039;s understanding sort of run us through what aspects of the spacing are out of synch?

I was impressed with Fish&#039;s insight on how one can shorten the learning curve for new players by repeating proper execution and I guess the issue I least comprehend is, how does a team that has essentially been together for 3 years and 2 deep playoff runs, lose the timing and/or sense of where they are supposed to be on a given play? The fact that it happens, it&#039;s really no wonder so few teams run the Triple Post, I just would like more insight into what makes it so difficult to not only learn but then to retain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the Fish interview intriguing. I think it is easy for many of us to see when things are working and when they are not. For those of us without proper coaching, it&#8217;s difficult for us to see the why and we often just resort to plugging in the uber-talented members of the NBA who, whether a play is run well or not, will make a play. Put Kobe back in, when we get Pau back, when LO gets back to leading the bench- those are all just ways of saying, I don;t know what is going wrong, I just know these guys can transcend proper execution. So, with the clue that Fish&#8217;s interview provides us, can anybody with good X&#8217;s and O&#8217;s understanding sort of run us through what aspects of the spacing are out of synch?</p>
<p>I was impressed with Fish&#8217;s insight on how one can shorten the learning curve for new players by repeating proper execution and I guess the issue I least comprehend is, how does a team that has essentially been together for 3 years and 2 deep playoff runs, lose the timing and/or sense of where they are supposed to be on a given play? The fact that it happens, it&#8217;s really no wonder so few teams run the Triple Post, I just would like more insight into what makes it so difficult to not only learn but then to retain.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s been a couple of factors for Brown getting minutes and playing in the SG spot.  Obviously him playing well is a big part.  But we all noticed in pre-season that Farmar and Brown seemed to work well together and were anxious to see how that would do in the regular season.  I&#039;m sure the coaches saw the same thing and so far it&#039;s been more good than bad.

Another reason I think is if Brown&#039;s shot is falling consistently, then he&#039;s a much better option than Sasha.  He brings so many other things to the table, defense, etc.  But setting aside all that, when he&#039;s playing SG in the tri, Brown&#039;s weaknesses are minimized.  He&#039;s not asked to create his own shot.  I still distrust his handles when driving.  But he&#039;s shown flashes of being a good spot up shooter.  He&#039;s strong and quick enough to handle most SG&#039;s.  And again, you can&#039;t overstate the chemistry that he and Farmar seem to be developing.  The two of them are also up tempo players that can ball hawk and hopefully get some easy scores by changing the pace like last year early season bench mob.

The danger of course is what happened in last night&#039;s game.  They can fall into the trap of running and jacking up undisciplined shots.  

My hope for Brown is he takes the same curve as Trevor did.  He&#039;s been in the system less than a year and I agree with the notion that most fans have backup QB syndrome with him right now.  That said, if Phil continues to encourage him to take the shot and be comfortable, while getting the offense down, why can&#039;t he develop like Trevor did?  Slowly developing a consistent shot like Trevor did last year during the regular season.  Then dependable during the playoffs.  Applying the athleticism as a ball hawk to change tempo.  Brown still has a lot of holes but it seems like the SG spot would actually fit him better right now if the shot is there sufficiently.  This of course assumes Farmar continues to build on his positive showing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s been a couple of factors for Brown getting minutes and playing in the SG spot.  Obviously him playing well is a big part.  But we all noticed in pre-season that Farmar and Brown seemed to work well together and were anxious to see how that would do in the regular season.  I&#8217;m sure the coaches saw the same thing and so far it&#8217;s been more good than bad.</p>
<p>Another reason I think is if Brown&#8217;s shot is falling consistently, then he&#8217;s a much better option than Sasha.  He brings so many other things to the table, defense, etc.  But setting aside all that, when he&#8217;s playing SG in the tri, Brown&#8217;s weaknesses are minimized.  He&#8217;s not asked to create his own shot.  I still distrust his handles when driving.  But he&#8217;s shown flashes of being a good spot up shooter.  He&#8217;s strong and quick enough to handle most SG&#8217;s.  And again, you can&#8217;t overstate the chemistry that he and Farmar seem to be developing.  The two of them are also up tempo players that can ball hawk and hopefully get some easy scores by changing the pace like last year early season bench mob.</p>
<p>The danger of course is what happened in last night&#8217;s game.  They can fall into the trap of running and jacking up undisciplined shots.  </p>
<p>My hope for Brown is he takes the same curve as Trevor did.  He&#8217;s been in the system less than a year and I agree with the notion that most fans have backup QB syndrome with him right now.  That said, if Phil continues to encourage him to take the shot and be comfortable, while getting the offense down, why can&#8217;t he develop like Trevor did?  Slowly developing a consistent shot like Trevor did last year during the regular season.  Then dependable during the playoffs.  Applying the athleticism as a ball hawk to change tempo.  Brown still has a lot of holes but it seems like the SG spot would actually fit him better right now if the shot is there sufficiently.  This of course assumes Farmar continues to build on his positive showing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>obviously sasha has not been playing well. But I think alot of the time the minutes the bench receives are due to match ups and what phil thinks works best. Last night the 3 guard lineup of kobe, shanWOW, and farmer (or fisher). worked well and matched up with Detriot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>obviously sasha has not been playing well. But I think alot of the time the minutes the bench receives are due to match ups and what phil thinks works best. Last night the 3 guard lineup of kobe, shanWOW, and farmer (or fisher). worked well and matched up with Detriot.</p>
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		<title>By: chris h</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rudy, isn&#039;t the &quot;pure shot 3 point shooter&quot; you want to trade for, supposed to be Sasha? if anyone needs to be dealt it&#039;s him, but who would take him? that&#039;s a big fat zero, same as his scoring. nada zip, zero takers for a shooter who can&#039;t shoot and costs $5M per year for 2 more years! ouch.
I&#039;m thinking Jordan could becoming the quick PG our team needs, and he needs the playing time to grow into that, and that&#039;s what&#039;s happening now. (I did notice last night that one time Farmar was having a great run, and during a TO, he was subbed out, and at first I&#039;m like &quot;why?&quot;, then it dawned on me that PJ wants Jordan to be able to turn it on and off as the coaches need, part of the lessons from PJ)
Shannon is just getting time because as Mimsy says, he flat out deserves it. he&#039;s hitting the 3 with consistency, playing great D, gets steals from pressure in the back court and creates a slam opportunity. Plus he never quits when he&#039;s out there.
watch Sasha when he&#039;s out there, he does this &quot;quick dash&quot; brings it up the floor, plays only on the perimeter, passes it usually in the same direction it was going, unless he feels he has enough room to jack up a shot, and that&#039;s all he does. he is not good on D any longer either, seems like he was a 1 note player, other teams adjusted (and the refs) to his style of play, (pesky and overacting) but he hasn&#039;t adjusted to their adjustments, so now he&#039;s just plain ineffective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rudy, isn&#8217;t the &#8220;pure shot 3 point shooter&#8221; you want to trade for, supposed to be Sasha? if anyone needs to be dealt it&#8217;s him, but who would take him? that&#8217;s a big fat zero, same as his scoring. nada zip, zero takers for a shooter who can&#8217;t shoot and costs $5M per year for 2 more years! ouch.<br />
I&#8217;m thinking Jordan could becoming the quick PG our team needs, and he needs the playing time to grow into that, and that&#8217;s what&#8217;s happening now. (I did notice last night that one time Farmar was having a great run, and during a TO, he was subbed out, and at first I&#8217;m like &#8220;why?&#8221;, then it dawned on me that PJ wants Jordan to be able to turn it on and off as the coaches need, part of the lessons from PJ)<br />
Shannon is just getting time because as Mimsy says, he flat out deserves it. he&#8217;s hitting the 3 with consistency, playing great D, gets steals from pressure in the back court and creates a slam opportunity. Plus he never quits when he&#8217;s out there.<br />
watch Sasha when he&#8217;s out there, he does this &#8220;quick dash&#8221; brings it up the floor, plays only on the perimeter, passes it usually in the same direction it was going, unless he feels he has enough room to jack up a shot, and that&#8217;s all he does. he is not good on D any longer either, seems like he was a 1 note player, other teams adjusted (and the refs) to his style of play, (pesky and overacting) but he hasn&#8217;t adjusted to their adjustments, so now he&#8217;s just plain ineffective.</p>
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		<title>By: wiseolgoat</title>
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		<dc:creator>wiseolgoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;d agree with Rudy&#039;s explanation about Farmar&#039;s minutes - if you&#039;re going to base playing time on who has performed the best, it&#039;s not all that clear why Farmar is the first guard off the bench (he of the .351 FG % this year). 

For all of his faults, Sasha has actually been our best 3 point shooter, hitting exactly 50% of his attempts. Now I think his defense is highly overrated and has been for awhile (as Bill Walton used to say, never mistake effort for achievement), but his 3 point shooting - when in rhythm, which I know is a big caveat for him - is there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;d agree with Rudy&#8217;s explanation about Farmar&#8217;s minutes &#8211; if you&#8217;re going to base playing time on who has performed the best, it&#8217;s not all that clear why Farmar is the first guard off the bench (he of the .351 FG % this year). </p>
<p>For all of his faults, Sasha has actually been our best 3 point shooter, hitting exactly 50% of his attempts. Now I think his defense is highly overrated and has been for awhile (as Bill Walton used to say, never mistake effort for achievement), but his 3 point shooting &#8211; when in rhythm, which I know is a big caveat for him &#8211; is there.</p>
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