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		<title>By: Mark Overt Skilbred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Overt Skilbred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks again!</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Overt Skilbred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Overt Skilbred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Thanksgiving post, Kurt! I&#039;m waiting for the Golden State game to start on Channel 7, so I was catching up on your posts. Here&#039;s something I wrote a couple of weeks ago, feeling generally frustrated with the quality of Lakers bench play this year and trying to come up with a more workable formula. Is this too radical, or does this idea have merit? Thanks for your input and all your valuable insights!

Mark Overt Skilbred

BASKETBALL---WHEN SUBSTITUTES BECOME THE MAIN ATTRACTION

Basketball team excellence has always depended on bench strength and depth. It has long been understood that organizations wishing to develop their franchises most effectively must recruit the strongest and most talented offensive and defensive players which are available at the high school and college level. Once this has been accomplished, the long process begins of improving their chances to play through scrimmaging each other and with the “regulars” in practice and throughout the season, by being substituted for those with injuries or foul trouble, to gain height or weight advantage, or to take advantage of certain offensive and defensive skills which become necessary as conditions demand. This often becomes a long development process, with occasional exceptions for those with superstar talents, or for those with the necessary skill-sets who are fortunate enough to be acquired at just the right time.

This can be a delicate balancing act for owners and management, who are pressured to attract and keep the most talented veterans and at the same time offer recruits opportunity for advancement within their organizations. Often talented players run out of the patience needed to endure delays caused perhaps by management, but also by various other factors including the inability to fit neatly into the rotation pattern which has been established. It may be that coaching staffs intend to eventually make use of certain individuals, but that day just doesn’t arrive quickly enough to satisfy everyone. Injuries may cause a coaching staff to temporarily substitute players whose talents are then given proper recognition.

At the high school level, B-teams allow players to develop their talents within a game setting, serving to enhance the skills of younger players, increase their endurance, and assist in the development of coaching staffs. When B-team players are allowed to play on a regular and consistent basis, their skill levels increase rapidly through exposure brought about by the regular number of minutes played, the opportunity to fit into a regular rotational flow with players whose skills match their own, and through experiencing the level of intensity which only an actual game provides. Although scrimmaging is the next-best thing to playing, it is no substitute for regular seasonal play, and especially playoff experience, where pressure is greatly increased.

How can owners, management and coaching staffs optimize the use of their teams so that everyone benefits through the development of skilled players, increased fan-support, and the resulting financial advantages which result from a more competitive environment? The rotation of 5-man units which are used to strategically impact the game through the pony-express ability to increase speed and endurance and reduce fatigue and injury will not only add the element of surprise, but will increase player-skills, scores, fan-interest, coaching options, and ultimately player and team health and attitude. When all players equitably share minutes, mental and physical abilities are enhanced. Realizing that on a systematic and strategic basis, their full attention and participation is required will have the effect of greater involvement. The endurance which is currently demanded of players on an individual basis can be shared as 5-man units more efficiently, resulting in higher scores, more productive rotations, greater fan interest and increased revenues.

Options which now depend on endurance factors, such as full-court press, run-and-gun, fast-break, various isolation and interception techniques, as well as every offensive and defensive weapon in the coaching arsenal will be improved when 5-man rotation units share available minutes and strategies on a more equitable basis and when player-usage is maximized rather than minimized. Consider which team will prevail season-by-season—one which is optimized through the use of all of its players, or one which makes ruthless demands on 7 or 8 players, to the virtual exclusion and ultimately the lack of consistent development of the balance of the team. Teams which consistently depend on the same few players unwittingly are developing themselves into desperate, needy and dependent organizations lacking the necessary options for the long haul. I know which team I would rather be a part of, and I think I know which team will win more championships.

Initial objections to a more balanced 5-man-unit rotational approach may include those who feel that individual scoring results will suffer as a result of balancing efforts, but the increase in stamina, reduction in injuries, and the increase in overall team performance and fan support will eventually overcome these objections. Careers may actually be extended by making more reasonable seasonal demands on players. Concerns that win-loss percentages and their divisional standings may suffer while these changes are being implemented can be offset ultimately by overall team improvement in skills and attitude.

Consider the following scenario: Superstar X on Team A is carrying the team because they have no other current option available to them, through lack of development. Superstar X sustains a season-altering injury or condition, forcing the substitution of a player who has limited game-exposure and rotational experience. Now begins the long process of development which may or may not lead to limited, but ineffective results for the team. Contrast this with Team B, which has consistently developed 5-man rotational units: A fresh rotational unit is immediately exchanged for the disabled unit and the game continues with minimal impact. Efforts to immediately replace or retrain a substitute have been greatly reduced. Which team option seems better for owner, management, coaching staff, players and fans? Consider well your options and plan appropriately. 

Mark Overt Skilbred</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Thanksgiving post, Kurt! I&#8217;m waiting for the Golden State game to start on Channel 7, so I was catching up on your posts. Here&#8217;s something I wrote a couple of weeks ago, feeling generally frustrated with the quality of Lakers bench play this year and trying to come up with a more workable formula. Is this too radical, or does this idea have merit? Thanks for your input and all your valuable insights!</p>
<p>Mark Overt Skilbred</p>
<p>BASKETBALL&#8212;WHEN SUBSTITUTES BECOME THE MAIN ATTRACTION</p>
<p>Basketball team excellence has always depended on bench strength and depth. It has long been understood that organizations wishing to develop their franchises most effectively must recruit the strongest and most talented offensive and defensive players which are available at the high school and college level. Once this has been accomplished, the long process begins of improving their chances to play through scrimmaging each other and with the “regulars” in practice and throughout the season, by being substituted for those with injuries or foul trouble, to gain height or weight advantage, or to take advantage of certain offensive and defensive skills which become necessary as conditions demand. This often becomes a long development process, with occasional exceptions for those with superstar talents, or for those with the necessary skill-sets who are fortunate enough to be acquired at just the right time.</p>
<p>This can be a delicate balancing act for owners and management, who are pressured to attract and keep the most talented veterans and at the same time offer recruits opportunity for advancement within their organizations. Often talented players run out of the patience needed to endure delays caused perhaps by management, but also by various other factors including the inability to fit neatly into the rotation pattern which has been established. It may be that coaching staffs intend to eventually make use of certain individuals, but that day just doesn’t arrive quickly enough to satisfy everyone. Injuries may cause a coaching staff to temporarily substitute players whose talents are then given proper recognition.</p>
<p>At the high school level, B-teams allow players to develop their talents within a game setting, serving to enhance the skills of younger players, increase their endurance, and assist in the development of coaching staffs. When B-team players are allowed to play on a regular and consistent basis, their skill levels increase rapidly through exposure brought about by the regular number of minutes played, the opportunity to fit into a regular rotational flow with players whose skills match their own, and through experiencing the level of intensity which only an actual game provides. Although scrimmaging is the next-best thing to playing, it is no substitute for regular seasonal play, and especially playoff experience, where pressure is greatly increased.</p>
<p>How can owners, management and coaching staffs optimize the use of their teams so that everyone benefits through the development of skilled players, increased fan-support, and the resulting financial advantages which result from a more competitive environment? The rotation of 5-man units which are used to strategically impact the game through the pony-express ability to increase speed and endurance and reduce fatigue and injury will not only add the element of surprise, but will increase player-skills, scores, fan-interest, coaching options, and ultimately player and team health and attitude. When all players equitably share minutes, mental and physical abilities are enhanced. Realizing that on a systematic and strategic basis, their full attention and participation is required will have the effect of greater involvement. The endurance which is currently demanded of players on an individual basis can be shared as 5-man units more efficiently, resulting in higher scores, more productive rotations, greater fan interest and increased revenues.</p>
<p>Options which now depend on endurance factors, such as full-court press, run-and-gun, fast-break, various isolation and interception techniques, as well as every offensive and defensive weapon in the coaching arsenal will be improved when 5-man rotation units share available minutes and strategies on a more equitable basis and when player-usage is maximized rather than minimized. Consider which team will prevail season-by-season—one which is optimized through the use of all of its players, or one which makes ruthless demands on 7 or 8 players, to the virtual exclusion and ultimately the lack of consistent development of the balance of the team. Teams which consistently depend on the same few players unwittingly are developing themselves into desperate, needy and dependent organizations lacking the necessary options for the long haul. I know which team I would rather be a part of, and I think I know which team will win more championships.</p>
<p>Initial objections to a more balanced 5-man-unit rotational approach may include those who feel that individual scoring results will suffer as a result of balancing efforts, but the increase in stamina, reduction in injuries, and the increase in overall team performance and fan support will eventually overcome these objections. Careers may actually be extended by making more reasonable seasonal demands on players. Concerns that win-loss percentages and their divisional standings may suffer while these changes are being implemented can be offset ultimately by overall team improvement in skills and attitude.</p>
<p>Consider the following scenario: Superstar X on Team A is carrying the team because they have no other current option available to them, through lack of development. Superstar X sustains a season-altering injury or condition, forcing the substitution of a player who has limited game-exposure and rotational experience. Now begins the long process of development which may or may not lead to limited, but ineffective results for the team. Contrast this with Team B, which has consistently developed 5-man rotational units: A fresh rotational unit is immediately exchanged for the disabled unit and the game continues with minimal impact. Efforts to immediately replace or retrain a substitute have been greatly reduced. Which team option seems better for owner, management, coaching staff, players and fans? Consider well your options and plan appropriately. </p>
<p>Mark Overt Skilbred</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Thanksgiving day post up.</description>
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		<title>By: JOE</title>
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		<dc:creator>JOE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When did this turn into a discussion about Bynum. Bynum is playing excellent ball. You guys gotta give him a chance to develop. His offensive game is years ahead of where it should be. He can improve on defense but he does attempt to block shots and alters tons of them. Better defense will come with time and experience. About his health--2 years ago his knee injury was just that an injury, but the second injury is because Kobe accidentally flew into his leg--that same result wouldve happened no matter who was standing there--so its not like his knee just gave out. The problem here is that we really, truly as Laker fans do not have anything to complain about. We have or are tied for the best record in the league and coming off 2 straight trips to the finals--obviously one a being a championship. 

You know whats really scary is that we have Kobe, Pau, Odom and Artest all in their prime. As these players begin to transition into the latter years of their careers---Bynum, Brown, and Farmar will be waiting in the wings to lead this team into the future. 

My point being is that the Lakers are situated to have a really good team for a really long time. Sit back, relax and enjoy the ride--stop complaining about Black Hole&#039;s and other non-sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When did this turn into a discussion about Bynum. Bynum is playing excellent ball. You guys gotta give him a chance to develop. His offensive game is years ahead of where it should be. He can improve on defense but he does attempt to block shots and alters tons of them. Better defense will come with time and experience. About his health&#8211;2 years ago his knee injury was just that an injury, but the second injury is because Kobe accidentally flew into his leg&#8211;that same result wouldve happened no matter who was standing there&#8211;so its not like his knee just gave out. The problem here is that we really, truly as Laker fans do not have anything to complain about. We have or are tied for the best record in the league and coming off 2 straight trips to the finals&#8211;obviously one a being a championship. </p>
<p>You know whats really scary is that we have Kobe, Pau, Odom and Artest all in their prime. As these players begin to transition into the latter years of their careers&#8212;Bynum, Brown, and Farmar will be waiting in the wings to lead this team into the future. </p>
<p>My point being is that the Lakers are situated to have a really good team for a really long time. Sit back, relax and enjoy the ride&#8211;stop complaining about Black Hole&#8217;s and other non-sense.</p>
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		<title>By: 3ThreeIII</title>
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		<dc:creator>3ThreeIII</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>13.67 Attempts to 1.3 Assists is just a shade under 10% of his possessions.

Add in passes that end in missed shots, or in swing passes, and I just don&#039;t see it.

And, as was well pointed out, if he gets deep into the post on offense, and then receives the inlet pass, he has 3 seconds to either A) Make his move and shoot, or B) Pass out, exit the post position, and re-establish the post position.

The young man is running the court and  beating the opposing big men to the low post and good position more often than any other center I have seen in, well, ever.

Why negate the benefit of the young legs and hustle by passing out?   Especially when he is shooting such a high percentage, hitting his foul shots, and generally wearing his man ragged?

Run, Post, Catch, Shoot, Score.

If it is just that simple, why complicate it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>13.67 Attempts to 1.3 Assists is just a shade under 10% of his possessions.</p>
<p>Add in passes that end in missed shots, or in swing passes, and I just don&#8217;t see it.</p>
<p>And, as was well pointed out, if he gets deep into the post on offense, and then receives the inlet pass, he has 3 seconds to either A) Make his move and shoot, or B) Pass out, exit the post position, and re-establish the post position.</p>
<p>The young man is running the court and  beating the opposing big men to the low post and good position more often than any other center I have seen in, well, ever.</p>
<p>Why negate the benefit of the young legs and hustle by passing out?   Especially when he is shooting such a high percentage, hitting his foul shots, and generally wearing his man ragged?</p>
<p>Run, Post, Catch, Shoot, Score.</p>
<p>If it is just that simple, why complicate it?</p>
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		<title>By: J.D. Hastings</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.D. Hastings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty sure the guy clamoring for a trade of Bynum is actually some other team&#039;s GM.  

I think the rest of us are just critiquing some tendencies we&#039;ve noticed.  Its not hate.  

In 2006 I would have loved to have been able to describe Kwame as a black hole, but as we know Black Holes attract objects to them, and Kwame&#039;s hands repel all objects from them.  

The only Center I might take over Drew, other than Dwight, starts for us at Power Forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure the guy clamoring for a trade of Bynum is actually some other team&#8217;s GM.  </p>
<p>I think the rest of us are just critiquing some tendencies we&#8217;ve noticed.  Its not hate.  </p>
<p>In 2006 I would have loved to have been able to describe Kwame as a black hole, but as we know Black Holes attract objects to them, and Kwame&#8217;s hands repel all objects from them.  </p>
<p>The only Center I might take over Drew, other than Dwight, starts for us at Power Forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad KAJ taught Bynum the hook and all, but could he maybe teach him how to pass out of a double team also? Maybe they thought he would never see a double team with the weapons we have but its happening...

Also, Farmar... he&#039;s my favorite player on the team but man, something needs to happen. I&#039;ve never seen anyone thinking so hard in my life. He became my favorite player for a reason, only the whole organization is doing their best to make me forget why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad KAJ taught Bynum the hook and all, but could he maybe teach him how to pass out of a double team also? Maybe they thought he would never see a double team with the weapons we have but its happening&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, Farmar&#8230; he&#8217;s my favorite player on the team but man, something needs to happen. I&#8217;ve never seen anyone thinking so hard in my life. He became my favorite player for a reason, only the whole organization is doing their best to make me forget why.</p>
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		<title>By: sT</title>
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		<dc:creator>sT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that New York team we just played is just horrible, indeed.  How did they take the mighty Celtics to OT, then the C&#039;s only win by a last shot at that.  Did we play that same team?  Oh, I forgot we are way better than the Celtic&#039;s, that is why we took out the Knicks by 10 points.  We need to stop the hating on Bynum, he is a good Center for us, I would take him over all Centers, except the guy on that Magic team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that New York team we just played is just horrible, indeed.  How did they take the mighty Celtics to OT, then the C&#8217;s only win by a last shot at that.  Did we play that same team?  Oh, I forgot we are way better than the Celtic&#8217;s, that is why we took out the Knicks by 10 points.  We need to stop the hating on Bynum, he is a good Center for us, I would take him over all Centers, except the guy on that Magic team.</p>
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		<title>By: harold</title>
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		<dc:creator>harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still not worried about him not passing.

The pecking order on this team, in terms of seniority and personality has Bynum ranked, what, 5th or 6th?  There will be plenty of guys to put him back in line if need be.

But right now, I think he needs confidence in his offensive game, and thus his knees, after which I hope that his confidence and activity on the defensive end and passing will come.  Just hoping that he doesn&#039;t overdo things as to re-injure his knees again, but I think most of his injuries were from him not paying too much attention to his surroundings more than anything.

Besides, we are talking a small sample size against teams that really have no front line to speak of - it&#039;s not like we went against Orlando or Cleveland or San Antonio or...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still not worried about him not passing.</p>
<p>The pecking order on this team, in terms of seniority and personality has Bynum ranked, what, 5th or 6th?  There will be plenty of guys to put him back in line if need be.</p>
<p>But right now, I think he needs confidence in his offensive game, and thus his knees, after which I hope that his confidence and activity on the defensive end and passing will come.  Just hoping that he doesn&#8217;t overdo things as to re-injure his knees again, but I think most of his injuries were from him not paying too much attention to his surroundings more than anything.</p>
<p>Besides, we are talking a small sample size against teams that really have no front line to speak of &#8211; it&#8217;s not like we went against Orlando or Cleveland or San Antonio or&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Zephid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zephid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>88, no one is denying that The Black Hole is a good scorer; it&#039;s those 1.3 assists per game that give him his title.  Yea, he scores a lot of points, gets a lot of free throws, and shoots a high percentage of both.  But that doesn&#039;t change the fact that the dude doesn&#039;t pass.  Whether you think that&#039;s a bad thing or not is up to you, but you can&#039;t contest the fact that he misses a lot of open passes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>88, no one is denying that The Black Hole is a good scorer; it&#8217;s those 1.3 assists per game that give him his title.  Yea, he scores a lot of points, gets a lot of free throws, and shoots a high percentage of both.  But that doesn&#8217;t change the fact that the dude doesn&#8217;t pass.  Whether you think that&#8217;s a bad thing or not is up to you, but you can&#8217;t contest the fact that he misses a lot of open passes.</p>
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