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		<title>By: Brian Tung</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/11/26/what-the-stats-show-us/comment-page-2/#comment-637314</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Tung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zephid (5:39 a.m.): Missed my point, which was not about root cause, but about statistical analysis.  Unless Bill thinks that any improvement would help the defense overwhelmingly more than it would help the offense (and I don&#039;t get that from his write-up), then if the defense goes from 3rd to 1st, the offense should go from 19th to something like 10th--whether the root cause is the bench play, the Lakers rolling up big leads and subsequently hoisting up a bucket of treys, or the phases of the Moon.

In short, the move from 3rd to 1st is usually quite large--certainly larger than moving from 19th to 17th.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zephid (5:39 a.m.): Missed my point, which was not about root cause, but about statistical analysis.  Unless Bill thinks that any improvement would help the defense overwhelmingly more than it would help the offense (and I don&#8217;t get that from his write-up), then if the defense goes from 3rd to 1st, the offense should go from 19th to something like 10th&#8211;whether the root cause is the bench play, the Lakers rolling up big leads and subsequently hoisting up a bucket of treys, or the phases of the Moon.</p>
<p>In short, the move from 3rd to 1st is usually quite large&#8211;certainly larger than moving from 19th to 17th.</p>
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		<title>By: Gatinho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gatinho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GSW preview up.</description>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And regarding the lakers mediocre offense thus far and the bench taking most of the blame, maybe phil should tweak the rotation a bit. 

I think most of us can agree that bynum thrives more with kobe in the game and odom plays better along side pau. Instead of Odom substituting for Bynum in the first quarter, he should come in for Pau. If that happen,s Pau and Odom would start the second quarter. I think the reserves could benefit from Pau&#039;s passing and scoring abilities, where as if Bynum gets the ball he&#039;s more than likely to shoot it. I think it can increase the effectiveness of the bench, odom, and bynum. Bynum can concentrate on finishing instead of passing, odom will be able to go to the post with pau and the second unit, and the reserves can feed off the inside-out game with odom and pau and get wide open threes they love to take.

Just a thought and probably won&#039;t happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And regarding the lakers mediocre offense thus far and the bench taking most of the blame, maybe phil should tweak the rotation a bit. </p>
<p>I think most of us can agree that bynum thrives more with kobe in the game and odom plays better along side pau. Instead of Odom substituting for Bynum in the first quarter, he should come in for Pau. If that happen,s Pau and Odom would start the second quarter. I think the reserves could benefit from Pau&#8217;s passing and scoring abilities, where as if Bynum gets the ball he&#8217;s more than likely to shoot it. I think it can increase the effectiveness of the bench, odom, and bynum. Bynum can concentrate on finishing instead of passing, odom will be able to go to the post with pau and the second unit, and the reserves can feed off the inside-out game with odom and pau and get wide open threes they love to take.</p>
<p>Just a thought and probably won&#8217;t happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In concurrence with the previous comments, this was a really good post. The defense has seemed to flip flop a bit from last season. Last year the Lakers defense was mediocre for a lot of the game, then they would have two or three stretches throughout the game where they would lock down. 

This year they&#039;re playing really solid defense for most of the game then they&#039;ll have a bad stretch or two(also all teams go on runs and thats just the nature of basketball). 

Maybe I&#039;m nitpicking too much, but LO&#039;s overall defense has been pretty bad to me. He&#039;s been a step slow on help defense almost every time and when he defending someone in the post after a second or two he concedes the shot by throwing both hands up. I&#039;ve noticed he doesn&#039;t react after he throws both hands straight up in the air and the guy he&#039;s guarding makes another move  elevates (or not if your scola), and gets an uncontested shot over odom. He needs to watch some tape of Garnett(2008 Garnett, not this year). 

Is it just me  overreacting to whenever someone scores on odom or does odom really need to improve?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In concurrence with the previous comments, this was a really good post. The defense has seemed to flip flop a bit from last season. Last year the Lakers defense was mediocre for a lot of the game, then they would have two or three stretches throughout the game where they would lock down. </p>
<p>This year they&#8217;re playing really solid defense for most of the game then they&#8217;ll have a bad stretch or two(also all teams go on runs and thats just the nature of basketball). </p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m nitpicking too much, but LO&#8217;s overall defense has been pretty bad to me. He&#8217;s been a step slow on help defense almost every time and when he defending someone in the post after a second or two he concedes the shot by throwing both hands up. I&#8217;ve noticed he doesn&#8217;t react after he throws both hands straight up in the air and the guy he&#8217;s guarding makes another move  elevates (or not if your scola), and gets an uncontested shot over odom. He needs to watch some tape of Garnett(2008 Garnett, not this year). </p>
<p>Is it just me  overreacting to whenever someone scores on odom or does odom really need to improve?</p>
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		<title>By: drrayeye</title>
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		<dc:creator>drrayeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the big differences between the Lakers and every other team is that the Lakers (minus Ron Artest) are the identical team to last year--and very similar to the year before.  This is almost unheard of in the current NBA, where players transistion at the speed of light.

Such continuity breeds a type of chemistry that allows the team to blend and compensate over time more effectively.

Meanwhile, the Celtics are seemingly contemplating signing veteran Allen Iverson much like their signing of Starbury last year; the Bulls contemplate a complete team overhaul; the Timberwolves, who&#039;ve turned over most of their team and coach, struggle to win their second game this season.  

It&#039;s the story of the league.

The player on the Lakers who best represents the benefits of this Lakers legacy approach is Derek Fisher.  Since coming into the league, Derek transformed himself as a player to meet the unique Laker requirements of the triangle offense for a PG--and he does it about as well as it can be done.

It is very unlikely that Derek will either be traded this year or not signed beyond this year.  It is very likely that his role will change and his minutes this season will be reduced.

It&#039;s great to have a team with players that we know and appreciate for years when fans of other teams are trying to get rid of theirs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the big differences between the Lakers and every other team is that the Lakers (minus Ron Artest) are the identical team to last year&#8211;and very similar to the year before.  This is almost unheard of in the current NBA, where players transistion at the speed of light.</p>
<p>Such continuity breeds a type of chemistry that allows the team to blend and compensate over time more effectively.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the Celtics are seemingly contemplating signing veteran Allen Iverson much like their signing of Starbury last year; the Bulls contemplate a complete team overhaul; the Timberwolves, who&#8217;ve turned over most of their team and coach, struggle to win their second game this season.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the story of the league.</p>
<p>The player on the Lakers who best represents the benefits of this Lakers legacy approach is Derek Fisher.  Since coming into the league, Derek transformed himself as a player to meet the unique Laker requirements of the triangle offense for a PG&#8211;and he does it about as well as it can be done.</p>
<p>It is very unlikely that Derek will either be traded this year or not signed beyond this year.  It is very likely that his role will change and his minutes this season will be reduced.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s great to have a team with players that we know and appreciate for years when fans of other teams are trying to get rid of theirs.</p>
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		<title>By: SD Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>SD Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 11:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find all sorts of fault with the premise of the Lakers being a mediocre offensive team. How many games have they lit the opposition up in the first three quarters only to have the bench score less than a handfull of field goals in the fourth. If anything it is a problem with depth. A lot of those games are on pace to score a lot higher than they do and I expect to see that shorn up to some extent. As far as defensive rebounding I would say that most teams take long jumpers therefore creating longer more erratic bounces leading to more offensive rebounds for the opposition. And they are just outworked some times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find all sorts of fault with the premise of the Lakers being a mediocre offensive team. How many games have they lit the opposition up in the first three quarters only to have the bench score less than a handfull of field goals in the fourth. If anything it is a problem with depth. A lot of those games are on pace to score a lot higher than they do and I expect to see that shorn up to some extent. As far as defensive rebounding I would say that most teams take long jumpers therefore creating longer more erratic bounces leading to more offensive rebounds for the opposition. And they are just outworked some times.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Bridges</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Bridges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 10:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>40, The Warrior&#039;s bench leads the league in minutes? I find that surprising. Then again, in the recent surprising win against Dallas, the bench averaged 30 minutes.

Of course the only bench player to play was Anthony Randolph with three starters playing 48 minutes. Crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>40, The Warrior&#8217;s bench leads the league in minutes? I find that surprising. Then again, in the recent surprising win against Dallas, the bench averaged 30 minutes.</p>
<p>Of course the only bench player to play was Anthony Randolph with three starters playing 48 minutes. Crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Bridges</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Bridges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 09:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>46. Thanks sT. I&#039;ll try to post more but this year has been hectic. 

But more importantly,  the fact that International League Pass Broadband now has replays on-demand means I can actually wait for the next day to watch the game instead at 4 in the morning. Hence, I try to avoid knowing the score prior to watching - the unfortunate by-product being less presence on FB&amp;G... But a 3 day layoff means plenty of scope to spout!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>46. Thanks sT. I&#8217;ll try to post more but this year has been hectic. </p>
<p>But more importantly,  the fact that International League Pass Broadband now has replays on-demand means I can actually wait for the next day to watch the game instead at 4 in the morning. Hence, I try to avoid knowing the score prior to watching &#8211; the unfortunate by-product being less presence on FB&amp;G&#8230; But a 3 day layoff means plenty of scope to spout!</p>
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		<title>By: sT</title>
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		<dc:creator>sT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 09:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Bridges, when I started reading this post, I thought it was you who wrote it, as I was going through it, this was just your kind of stuff.  I have missed your comments this season, and this was just a great article by you, for me to soak in tonight.  Wow, 3rd in defense, that is just what we need, the offense will come, especially with Gasol back, and we are winning games this way anyway.  Yeah, if the bench would play at the mean, it would be all we need.  I think the Lakers will just let the expiring contracts go, we probably will not take on a multi year one with our current salary commitments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Bridges, when I started reading this post, I thought it was you who wrote it, as I was going through it, this was just your kind of stuff.  I have missed your comments this season, and this was just a great article by you, for me to soak in tonight.  Wow, 3rd in defense, that is just what we need, the offense will come, especially with Gasol back, and we are winning games this way anyway.  Yeah, if the bench would play at the mean, it would be all we need.  I think the Lakers will just let the expiring contracts go, we probably will not take on a multi year one with our current salary commitments.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Wee Lim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren Wee Lim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 07:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our model of acquiring vets and denying entry to rookies might be costing us... remember that roster spaces are set at a minimum of 12 and the cheapest way to get a player is via the draft.

For the last 2 seasons, we have forfeited our ability to acquire cheap players to work with by either trading them (Gasol trade) or selling them (27th overall to NY). The closest 1st rounder we have is in the June 2011 draft.

Thing that worries me is, how will we recover from this ballooning payroll we are currently at esp with the CBA soon to be reneogiated?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our model of acquiring vets and denying entry to rookies might be costing us&#8230; remember that roster spaces are set at a minimum of 12 and the cheapest way to get a player is via the draft.</p>
<p>For the last 2 seasons, we have forfeited our ability to acquire cheap players to work with by either trading them (Gasol trade) or selling them (27th overall to NY). The closest 1st rounder we have is in the June 2011 draft.</p>
<p>Thing that worries me is, how will we recover from this ballooning payroll we are currently at esp with the CBA soon to be reneogiated?</p>
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