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		<title>By: JOE</title>
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		<dc:creator>JOE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think our team is perfect just the way it is. I&#039;ve read alot of comments and quotes on here and I don&#039;t understand why there is so much tweaking wanting to be done. Kurt I love the post you put up on the Celtics holes. Sometimes the hardest thing to do is to do nothing. I like D-Fish running the offense, the only thing I would do is give more time to Brown. I believe this kid is a hard worker with unbelieveable physical/athletic talent. His play is improving with every game. The Lakers must see something they like also for signing him to a 2 year deal. Brown and Bynum will be the anchors for the future.
I&#039;m going to say something that many people will say I&#039;m crazy for saying. I think Morrisson will eventually be a decent roll player--like a Robert Horry, Rick Fox etc...--Don&#039;t give up on this kid just yet.
Did you guys see the ball movement in the phoenix game? This regular season Laker team looks much better than last years. Last year we were running around like a chicken without a head. This year seems to be a more professional, well organized, and well coached. This team is a very very scary team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think our team is perfect just the way it is. I&#8217;ve read alot of comments and quotes on here and I don&#8217;t understand why there is so much tweaking wanting to be done. Kurt I love the post you put up on the Celtics holes. Sometimes the hardest thing to do is to do nothing. I like D-Fish running the offense, the only thing I would do is give more time to Brown. I believe this kid is a hard worker with unbelieveable physical/athletic talent. His play is improving with every game. The Lakers must see something they like also for signing him to a 2 year deal. Brown and Bynum will be the anchors for the future.<br />
I&#8217;m going to say something that many people will say I&#8217;m crazy for saying. I think Morrisson will eventually be a decent roll player&#8211;like a Robert Horry, Rick Fox etc&#8230;&#8211;Don&#8217;t give up on this kid just yet.<br />
Did you guys see the ball movement in the phoenix game? This regular season Laker team looks much better than last years. Last year we were running around like a chicken without a head. This year seems to be a more professional, well organized, and well coached. This team is a very very scary team.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mimsy,
Yup! Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mimsy,<br />
Yup! Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Mimsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mimsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t that what I just said, Craig? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t that what I just said, Craig? <img src='http://www.forumblueandgold.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Craig W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ariza and RonRon. 
This WAS NOT a trade, period.

Ariza was not looking elsewhere - are our memories that short? - his agent asked for more money than the Lakers wanted to pay and Artest&#039;s agent said he was there for the taking. Then there was no more spot for Trevor. That is the entire story.

Later Trevor opted to sign with Houston.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ariza and RonRon.<br />
This WAS NOT a trade, period.</p>
<p>Ariza was not looking elsewhere &#8211; are our memories that short? &#8211; his agent asked for more money than the Lakers wanted to pay and Artest&#8217;s agent said he was there for the taking. Then there was no more spot for Trevor. That is the entire story.</p>
<p>Later Trevor opted to sign with Houston.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Fisher:
Someone made a point that they don&#039;t cringe when the ball ends up in Fish&#039;s hands.  I&#039;d have to agree, I&#039;m pretty confident that something good will happen when Fish has the ball; be it a PUJIT 3, a pass to Kobe/Pau, post-up, you name it.  Rarely does the possession end in a turnover, offensive foul, bad shot, etc.
Now think of some other guys on the team.
Sasha? - CRINGE -You name it, turnover, bad shot, off. foul, shot clock violation
Mbenga? - CRINGE -Turnover, jacking up a shot he should never take
Powell? possibly made jumper, fumbled pass, blocked
Farmar? - CRINGE -bricked 3, turnover in the lane, shot clock violation
Walton? - CRINGE -stolen from him or blocked shot, he may be a serviceable passer (not as good as he used to be) but he has no shot or handle.  His game has really declined - seems to have no confidence
Morrsion? CRRRRIIINNNGGEE -Don&#039;t get me started
LO? depends on if his head is in the game.  He is either spectacular or non-factor
Ron Ron? Tenacious, Physical, better than expected passer, no hops, awkward shots
Brown? No complaints here
Bynum? only complaint is he is a bit soft - needs to dunk more
Kobe, Pau - you know what to expect

Point is Fish works with the system, he knows it well, runs it well.  The best PG La has had for the past 15 years.  I loved Nick but Fish is the best PG we&#039;ve had since Magic.  Fish is like a game manager QB.  He is surrounded by talent, he just pulls it all together - like Ben Roethlisberger, doesn&#039;t have the best stats, pisses you off at times, but is the best man for the team</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Fisher:<br />
Someone made a point that they don&#8217;t cringe when the ball ends up in Fish&#8217;s hands.  I&#8217;d have to agree, I&#8217;m pretty confident that something good will happen when Fish has the ball; be it a PUJIT 3, a pass to Kobe/Pau, post-up, you name it.  Rarely does the possession end in a turnover, offensive foul, bad shot, etc.<br />
Now think of some other guys on the team.<br />
Sasha? &#8211; CRINGE -You name it, turnover, bad shot, off. foul, shot clock violation<br />
Mbenga? &#8211; CRINGE -Turnover, jacking up a shot he should never take<br />
Powell? possibly made jumper, fumbled pass, blocked<br />
Farmar? &#8211; CRINGE -bricked 3, turnover in the lane, shot clock violation<br />
Walton? &#8211; CRINGE -stolen from him or blocked shot, he may be a serviceable passer (not as good as he used to be) but he has no shot or handle.  His game has really declined &#8211; seems to have no confidence<br />
Morrsion? CRRRRIIINNNGGEE -Don&#8217;t get me started<br />
LO? depends on if his head is in the game.  He is either spectacular or non-factor<br />
Ron Ron? Tenacious, Physical, better than expected passer, no hops, awkward shots<br />
Brown? No complaints here<br />
Bynum? only complaint is he is a bit soft &#8211; needs to dunk more<br />
Kobe, Pau &#8211; you know what to expect</p>
<p>Point is Fish works with the system, he knows it well, runs it well.  The best PG La has had for the past 15 years.  I loved Nick but Fish is the best PG we&#8217;ve had since Magic.  Fish is like a game manager QB.  He is surrounded by talent, he just pulls it all together &#8211; like Ben Roethlisberger, doesn&#8217;t have the best stats, pisses you off at times, but is the best man for the team</p>
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		<title>By: Mimsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mimsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole Ariza-Artest trade reminds me a little bit about prom dates... The girl who promised to go with you starts flirting with another guy and hint that she&#039;s considering dumping you for him. While waiting to find out where that is going, another girl, that you know has had a crush on you for a very long time, comes up to you and says, &quot;I would rather go to the prom with you than with the guys who have been asking me. Can I be your prom date?&quot;

Let&#039;s see... do you stay with the girl who can&#039;t decide if she wants to dump you or not, or do you go with the one who just told you she wants to be with you and has been waiting for this chance to ask you out?

(Take this post in the spirit it was intended, very tongue-in-cheek.)

Speaking of that, our date is not nearly the hooligan we were led to believe: http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2009/12/8/1189606/ron-artest-bored-by-on-court?ref=yahoo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole Ariza-Artest trade reminds me a little bit about prom dates&#8230; The girl who promised to go with you starts flirting with another guy and hint that she&#8217;s considering dumping you for him. While waiting to find out where that is going, another girl, that you know has had a crush on you for a very long time, comes up to you and says, &#8220;I would rather go to the prom with you than with the guys who have been asking me. Can I be your prom date?&#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see&#8230; do you stay with the girl who can&#8217;t decide if she wants to dump you or not, or do you go with the one who just told you she wants to be with you and has been waiting for this chance to ask you out?</p>
<p>(Take this post in the spirit it was intended, very tongue-in-cheek.)</p>
<p>Speaking of that, our date is not nearly the hooligan we were led to believe: <a href="http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2009/12/8/1189606/ron-artest-bored-by-on-court?ref=yahoo" rel="nofollow">http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2009/12/8/1189606/ron-artest-bored-by-on-court?ref=yahoo</a></p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#77 I totally agree.  Ariza is a straight dumba.ss  Why he signed with Houston for the same money LA was offering is beyond me.  I understand Texas doesn&#039;t have Cali&#039;s income tax, he would have been in Kobe, LO, Bynum, Gasol&#039;s shadow here but he is sacrificing who knows how many titles (2, 3?) for 1.5 mil more over 4 years and half a season as the star (Mcgrady back this year, Yao back next).  Brooks and Landry are getting more pub anyway.  Ariza you are A FOOL.  You could have been part of Showtime Reincarnated, dominating for a at least the next 5 years next to 2 of the top 10 players in the league, in your HOMETOWN no less! Westchester to UCLA to LA Lakers (via NY &amp; Orl). . . as Tom Jackson says, &quot;C&#039;Mon Man&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#77 I totally agree.  Ariza is a straight dumba.ss  Why he signed with Houston for the same money LA was offering is beyond me.  I understand Texas doesn&#8217;t have Cali&#8217;s income tax, he would have been in Kobe, LO, Bynum, Gasol&#8217;s shadow here but he is sacrificing who knows how many titles (2, 3?) for 1.5 mil more over 4 years and half a season as the star (Mcgrady back this year, Yao back next).  Brooks and Landry are getting more pub anyway.  Ariza you are A FOOL.  You could have been part of Showtime Reincarnated, dominating for a at least the next 5 years next to 2 of the top 10 players in the league, in your HOMETOWN no less! Westchester to UCLA to LA Lakers (via NY &amp; Orl). . . as Tom Jackson says, &#8220;C&#8217;Mon Man&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New post up where we can continue these topics. (Lakers/Jazz preview later today)

http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/12/09/just-in-time-for-christmas-a-derek-fisher-backpack/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New post up where we can continue these topics. (Lakers/Jazz preview later today)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/12/09/just-in-time-for-christmas-a-derek-fisher-backpack/" rel="nofollow">http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/12/09/just-in-time-for-christmas-a-derek-fisher-backpack/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gr8 Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gr8 Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kurt - thanks for ending all of the speculative trade talk. I apologize about the length of this post, but I feel the need to put most of the posters who are down on Fish in their place. I don&#039;t normally knock other Laker fans, but I&#039;m tired of the Fisher talk and the PG position in general. 

Listen up Laker fans - Fisher isn&#039;t going anywhere this year. Yes, he is a step older and yes he still jacks up some PUJITs, but... he is still a very heady player who comes to play and is prepared every night. He is like the well seasoned soldier patroling the perimeter at night - always on the watch and always ready, even if he isn&#039;t the most talented. Keep in mind that just because we can get a better or more talented PG doesn&#039;t mean it will help us this season. A big reason why Fish has been around so long and has been so effective is that he doesn&#039;t have to hog the ball or monopolize time to be effective. We have a certain #24 &amp; #16 and even #17 that know what to do with the rock. Fisher is the ultimate glue guy who helps make sure that the team succeeds. He&#039;s been this way his entire career. I don&#039;t take for granted his picks on opposing PGs &amp; SGs, nor do dismiss the fact that he has a knack for drawing a charge in big, crunch-time minutes. He may be 0-5 in a game, but if we need a big shot near the end of a close game, there is no one else outside of Mamba who I would trust more with a perimeter shot. He does what&#039;s needed and does all the little things that our team asks. And this is embedded in his basketball DNA. Think back, if you will, to our 2001 season. The team was in disarray - winning at a decent clip, but by no means dominating. Fisher had broken something in his foot or ankle early that season and had to have his parents move in and help him out while he rehabbed. It&#039;s no coincidence that that year&#039;s team took off when Fish came back and reminded our two battling stars and their teammates what this game is all about.  You can see his effect on the other younger players. Farmar can be capable, but we all know he will have ups and downs. ShanWow plays hard regardless of his minutes. Fisher is in the last year and wants to play a few more years, Farmar and Brown can go elsewhere next year if they choose, and yet you haven&#039;t heard any complaints. That is as it should be - we have a great team that is looking at getting better. Leave the PG position alone and enjoy the many wins this team will grab this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kurt &#8211; thanks for ending all of the speculative trade talk. I apologize about the length of this post, but I feel the need to put most of the posters who are down on Fish in their place. I don&#8217;t normally knock other Laker fans, but I&#8217;m tired of the Fisher talk and the PG position in general. </p>
<p>Listen up Laker fans &#8211; Fisher isn&#8217;t going anywhere this year. Yes, he is a step older and yes he still jacks up some PUJITs, but&#8230; he is still a very heady player who comes to play and is prepared every night. He is like the well seasoned soldier patroling the perimeter at night &#8211; always on the watch and always ready, even if he isn&#8217;t the most talented. Keep in mind that just because we can get a better or more talented PG doesn&#8217;t mean it will help us this season. A big reason why Fish has been around so long and has been so effective is that he doesn&#8217;t have to hog the ball or monopolize time to be effective. We have a certain #24 &amp; #16 and even #17 that know what to do with the rock. Fisher is the ultimate glue guy who helps make sure that the team succeeds. He&#8217;s been this way his entire career. I don&#8217;t take for granted his picks on opposing PGs &amp; SGs, nor do dismiss the fact that he has a knack for drawing a charge in big, crunch-time minutes. He may be 0-5 in a game, but if we need a big shot near the end of a close game, there is no one else outside of Mamba who I would trust more with a perimeter shot. He does what&#8217;s needed and does all the little things that our team asks. And this is embedded in his basketball DNA. Think back, if you will, to our 2001 season. The team was in disarray &#8211; winning at a decent clip, but by no means dominating. Fisher had broken something in his foot or ankle early that season and had to have his parents move in and help him out while he rehabbed. It&#8217;s no coincidence that that year&#8217;s team took off when Fish came back and reminded our two battling stars and their teammates what this game is all about.  You can see his effect on the other younger players. Farmar can be capable, but we all know he will have ups and downs. ShanWow plays hard regardless of his minutes. Fisher is in the last year and wants to play a few more years, Farmar and Brown can go elsewhere next year if they choose, and yet you haven&#8217;t heard any complaints. That is as it should be &#8211; we have a great team that is looking at getting better. Leave the PG position alone and enjoy the many wins this team will grab this year.</p>
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		<title>By: burningjoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>burningjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>some thing I don&#039;t get when we talk about Kobe&#039;s Playing time odometer and this idea that because he came into the league at 18 that makes his wear any different than some one that went to College. 

I get that College games are shorter and that there are less of them, but these guys play just as much, if not more, with practices and pickup games. 

Kobe&#039;s first 2 season he averaged 15.5 and 26 minutes per game. That is about equal to a College player I&#039;d think...streched out over 82 games instead of cramming into 32 games. (ok maybe not exactly equal).

But my point is...had he gone to College, especially to Duke like he said he would have, he&#039;d have played about the same amount of time. So the Odometer would still read just about the same wouldn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some thing I don&#8217;t get when we talk about Kobe&#8217;s Playing time odometer and this idea that because he came into the league at 18 that makes his wear any different than some one that went to College. </p>
<p>I get that College games are shorter and that there are less of them, but these guys play just as much, if not more, with practices and pickup games. </p>
<p>Kobe&#8217;s first 2 season he averaged 15.5 and 26 minutes per game. That is about equal to a College player I&#8217;d think&#8230;streched out over 82 games instead of cramming into 32 games. (ok maybe not exactly equal).</p>
<p>But my point is&#8230;had he gone to College, especially to Duke like he said he would have, he&#8217;d have played about the same amount of time. So the Odometer would still read just about the same wouldn&#8217;t it?</p>
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