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		<title>By: im5</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/12/17/bynum-on-the-boards/comment-page-2/#comment-640951</link>
		<dc:creator>im5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thats because pau&#039;s getting all the rebounds..averaging about 20 in the last 4games..team-wise, it doesnt matter coz theyre teammates...but individually, i guess it affects him being an all star this feb,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thats because pau&#8217;s getting all the rebounds..averaging about 20 in the last 4games..team-wise, it doesnt matter coz theyre teammates&#8230;but individually, i guess it affects him being an all star this feb,</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not even going to bother clicking that TrueHoop link. P. Ami is right: when it comes to posts about Kobe and the Lakers, Abbott is basically a troll, and reactions like this are exactly what he wants.

Regarding Bynum, I seem to remember him having a similar stretch last year when he was just anemic on the glass. I agree with Sanchez - Bynum seems to be a lot more proactive as a rebounder when he&#039;s scoring and getting lots of touches. That to me is more of a concern than his passing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not even going to bother clicking that TrueHoop link. P. Ami is right: when it comes to posts about Kobe and the Lakers, Abbott is basically a troll, and reactions like this are exactly what he wants.</p>
<p>Regarding Bynum, I seem to remember him having a similar stretch last year when he was just anemic on the glass. I agree with Sanchez &#8211; Bynum seems to be a lot more proactive as a rebounder when he&#8217;s scoring and getting lots of touches. That to me is more of a concern than his passing.</p>
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		<title>By: Albert Taiwan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albert Taiwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why Chick Hearn used to say some players rebound, some get rebounds.  Bynum is somewhat like Elden Campell.  A good kid with god-given talent and amazing physique, but lacks the desire and passion.  Because he is 7-1 with long arms, he will get some rebounds, but he is not going to develop that intuition about how the ball bounces, and anticipate where on the court to get the rebound. He is a good kid, but don&#039;t expect him to rebound like Rodman, and shoot or move like Olajuwon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why Chick Hearn used to say some players rebound, some get rebounds.  Bynum is somewhat like Elden Campell.  A good kid with god-given talent and amazing physique, but lacks the desire and passion.  Because he is 7-1 with long arms, he will get some rebounds, but he is not going to develop that intuition about how the ball bounces, and anticipate where on the court to get the rebound. He is a good kid, but don&#8217;t expect him to rebound like Rodman, and shoot or move like Olajuwon.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That linkfrom lakergirl doesn&#039;t make any sense. Why did  Kobe argue against the full court plan when it worked perfectly fine last year against Orlando with the Fisher shot? He remembers it working in th 91 finals for Jordan but not last year for Fish? Weird..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That linkfrom lakergirl doesn&#8217;t make any sense. Why did  Kobe argue against the full court plan when it worked perfectly fine last year against Orlando with the Fisher shot? He remembers it working in th 91 finals for Jordan but not last year for Fish? Weird..</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New post up on Pau</description>
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		<title>By: Darius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like most other facets of the game, it&#039;s best to not let statistics stand on their own - they must be coupled with what you actually see with your own eyes.  And in a way, I think that&#039;s what Henry was saying in his post.  He&#039;s making the point (although many have already pointed out that he&#039;s not doing it very well) that stat heads and Kobe fans alike can say that last night&#039;s performance gives them takeaways that reinforce what their prior conceptions are.

Like I said earlier though, it&#039;s never advisable to say &quot;oh, look at the stats, that tells me *everything* I need to know&quot; because that&#039;s likely not true (unless you&#039;re looking at something from a pure numbers standpoint - i.e. how many rebounds does a player avg. a game).  And on the flipside of that, stats can be very useful in revealing what else is going on that may not be obvious to the naked eye.  These perspectives should be paired more often to get a more complete synopsis of what is actually happening.

Many good points can be made on both sides of this debate - stat heads aren&#039;t wrong when they say that Kobe is not as efficient a player in the clutch as his reputation suggests &amp; Kobe fans aren&#039;t wrong when they say that Kobe is one of the best finishers in the game and a player that they&#039;d want taking the last shot (or making the play) at the end of a close game.  

All that said, I&#039;d lean towards wanting Kobe over almost any player put in that last second situation - stats be damned.  And it&#039;s not because I don&#039;t think the stats are valid, I think they are.  I just think, in this case, the stats are limited and they don&#039;t take into account so many other factors that have a bearing on the the actual game.  Like, for example, the attention that Kobe draws and how that attention creates openings for teammates so that even when he misses he&#039;s drawing defenders and creating second chance opportunities for teammates (or in last nights game how he drew the attention of Fish&#039;s defender just enough to create the opening for Derek to hit his big shot).  If I&#039;ve learned anything from watching Kobe for all these years, it&#039;s that he&#039;s a tactician - he sets up the game in the way that a chess player sets up his opponent for the kill in 10 more moves.  And it&#039;s because I see Kobe in this way that a forced jumper with two minutes left makes so much more sense when with 30 seconds left he makes a successful play that is a derivative of that previously unsuccessful one.  Said more simply, you take the good with the bad, but I know that some of that bad is strictly a set up to make the game changing play 5 possesions from now (in the same way you may sacrifice your Queen to earn checkmate later in the match).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like most other facets of the game, it&#8217;s best to not let statistics stand on their own &#8211; they must be coupled with what you actually see with your own eyes.  And in a way, I think that&#8217;s what Henry was saying in his post.  He&#8217;s making the point (although many have already pointed out that he&#8217;s not doing it very well) that stat heads and Kobe fans alike can say that last night&#8217;s performance gives them takeaways that reinforce what their prior conceptions are.</p>
<p>Like I said earlier though, it&#8217;s never advisable to say &#8220;oh, look at the stats, that tells me *everything* I need to know&#8221; because that&#8217;s likely not true (unless you&#8217;re looking at something from a pure numbers standpoint &#8211; i.e. how many rebounds does a player avg. a game).  And on the flipside of that, stats can be very useful in revealing what else is going on that may not be obvious to the naked eye.  These perspectives should be paired more often to get a more complete synopsis of what is actually happening.</p>
<p>Many good points can be made on both sides of this debate &#8211; stat heads aren&#8217;t wrong when they say that Kobe is not as efficient a player in the clutch as his reputation suggests &#038; Kobe fans aren&#8217;t wrong when they say that Kobe is one of the best finishers in the game and a player that they&#8217;d want taking the last shot (or making the play) at the end of a close game.  </p>
<p>All that said, I&#8217;d lean towards wanting Kobe over almost any player put in that last second situation &#8211; stats be damned.  And it&#8217;s not because I don&#8217;t think the stats are valid, I think they are.  I just think, in this case, the stats are limited and they don&#8217;t take into account so many other factors that have a bearing on the the actual game.  Like, for example, the attention that Kobe draws and how that attention creates openings for teammates so that even when he misses he&#8217;s drawing defenders and creating second chance opportunities for teammates (or in last nights game how he drew the attention of Fish&#8217;s defender just enough to create the opening for Derek to hit his big shot).  If I&#8217;ve learned anything from watching Kobe for all these years, it&#8217;s that he&#8217;s a tactician &#8211; he sets up the game in the way that a chess player sets up his opponent for the kill in 10 more moves.  And it&#8217;s because I see Kobe in this way that a forced jumper with two minutes left makes so much more sense when with 30 seconds left he makes a successful play that is a derivative of that previously unsuccessful one.  Said more simply, you take the good with the bad, but I know that some of that bad is strictly a set up to make the game changing play 5 possesions from now (in the same way you may sacrifice your Queen to earn checkmate later in the match).</p>
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		<title>By: lakersfansincemagic</title>
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		<dc:creator>lakersfansincemagic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Little off topic here.. but what about Odom&#039;s retarded fouls? He makes the most obvious fouls sometimes out of frustration(like the hip check on Ridnour)... does the coaching staff see this? How can they fix it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Little off topic here.. but what about Odom&#8217;s retarded fouls? He makes the most obvious fouls sometimes out of frustration(like the hip check on Ridnour)&#8230; does the coaching staff see this? How can they fix it?</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
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		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Booboo, appreciate the lead to Fish being clutch and would have to agree that Laker fans some times disregard his play or overlook his timeliness to make shots.  Discussed with a fellow Lakerfan, and his points are valid when complimenting Fisher.  But the biggest question I have and will have as a die-hard is whether or not we will fully appreciate what Fish has done for the organization?  How instrumental is he when compared to the other Laker greats or great championship teams/organizations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Booboo, appreciate the lead to Fish being clutch and would have to agree that Laker fans some times disregard his play or overlook his timeliness to make shots.  Discussed with a fellow Lakerfan, and his points are valid when complimenting Fisher.  But the biggest question I have and will have as a die-hard is whether or not we will fully appreciate what Fish has done for the organization?  How instrumental is he when compared to the other Laker greats or great championship teams/organizations?</p>
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		<title>By: harold</title>
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		<dc:creator>harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abbot is a good writer when he doesn&#039;t write about the Blazers or Kobe.

When he does, he loses all credibility, although with the Blazers at least he&#039;s aware of what he&#039;s doing.

I mean, regarding clutchness, did he not notice who scored the last 7 points for the Lakers when we were down 100-106?  And after watching all those games, does he know that OT points are worth their weight in gold?

As for the crunchtime clutchness, you want somebody who can create his own shot, launch it, and practices hard enough so it has a good chance of going in.

Whether it actually does or not really doesn&#039;t matter much because it is indeed a small sample size.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abbot is a good writer when he doesn&#8217;t write about the Blazers or Kobe.</p>
<p>When he does, he loses all credibility, although with the Blazers at least he&#8217;s aware of what he&#8217;s doing.</p>
<p>I mean, regarding clutchness, did he not notice who scored the last 7 points for the Lakers when we were down 100-106?  And after watching all those games, does he know that OT points are worth their weight in gold?</p>
<p>As for the crunchtime clutchness, you want somebody who can create his own shot, launch it, and practices hard enough so it has a good chance of going in.</p>
<p>Whether it actually does or not really doesn&#8217;t matter much because it is indeed a small sample size.</p>
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		<title>By: Burgundy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burgundy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P. Ami - no sweat.  Sorry I misunderstood you.  To be honest, I used to like Abbott as a writer, but his anti-Kobe/Laker slant got to be too much for me to handle.  I came across the article above because it was linked on the NBA front page, not because I went to Truehoop specifically.

It&#039;s weird, because Simmons is just as anti-Kobe/Lakers, but he doesn&#039;t hide under the cloak of &quot;journalism&quot; like Abbott does, so it&#039;s easier to stomach.

Especially, because Simmons is a zillion times more entertaining/funny (except for the column he wrote after last year&#039;s finals that he should have titled, &quot;Maybe Kobe won the title, but he&#039;s still a phony.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P. Ami &#8211; no sweat.  Sorry I misunderstood you.  To be honest, I used to like Abbott as a writer, but his anti-Kobe/Laker slant got to be too much for me to handle.  I came across the article above because it was linked on the NBA front page, not because I went to Truehoop specifically.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s weird, because Simmons is just as anti-Kobe/Lakers, but he doesn&#8217;t hide under the cloak of &#8220;journalism&#8221; like Abbott does, so it&#8217;s easier to stomach.</p>
<p>Especially, because Simmons is a zillion times more entertaining/funny (except for the column he wrote after last year&#8217;s finals that he should have titled, &#8220;Maybe Kobe won the title, but he&#8217;s still a phony.&#8221;</p>
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