Comments on: M*A*S*H* Unit http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2010/01/04/mash-unit/ A Lakers Blog. Thoughts, reflections, and the odd rant on the Los Angeles Lakers and the NBA (even the Clippers). Thu, 09 Feb 2012 05:18:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: ray http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2010/01/04/mash-unit/comment-page-3/#comment-643638 ray Wed, 06 Jan 2010 07:56:03 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=2434#comment-643638 My point is, Aaron, is that there are reasons why Phil plays who he plays, and they are reasons we don't know because we aren't in the locker room or at the practice. And I don't buy the whole he wont sit veterans for young guys because he chose to bench LO over Bynum last year, and that worked out pretty well. There are probably other reasons. You may think he is wrong, but maybe he has a better feel about how his team plays and where a person should play. And seeing as how he has a pretty good success rate (including this year btw), maybe he knows what he is doing? Maybe Fisher doesn't have the legs to sit for 8 minutes after warm ups to be effective? Maybe Farmar and Brown are better as catalysts off the bench? Non laker fans are always amazed that Luke walton gets playing time when they think he sucks, but maybe phil jackson plays him cuz he knows the system? Like Kurt says, no one will change your mind about Fisher. And I didn't want to get in the whole argument about why they should or shouldn't. My argument was that I think Phil knows what he is doing, knows the team better than any fan knows, and it's Phil Jackson. If it were mike dunleavy making this choice, then for sure, question the guy. But dude, the results with Fisher starting is pretty good no? My point is, Aaron, is that there are reasons why Phil plays who he plays, and they are reasons we don’t know because we aren’t in the locker room or at the practice. And I don’t buy the whole he wont sit veterans for young guys because he chose to bench LO over Bynum last year, and that worked out pretty well. There are probably other reasons. You may think he is wrong, but maybe he has a better feel about how his team plays and where a person should play.

And seeing as how he has a pretty good success rate (including this year btw), maybe he knows what he is doing? Maybe Fisher doesn’t have the legs to sit for 8 minutes after warm ups to be effective? Maybe Farmar and Brown are better as catalysts off the bench? Non laker fans are always amazed that Luke walton gets playing time when they think he sucks, but maybe phil jackson plays him cuz he knows the system?

Like Kurt says, no one will change your mind about Fisher. And I didn’t want to get in the whole argument about why they should or shouldn’t. My argument was that I think Phil knows what he is doing, knows the team better than any fan knows, and it’s Phil Jackson. If it were mike dunleavy making this choice, then for sure, question the guy. But dude, the results with Fisher starting is pretty good no?

]]> By: ken http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2010/01/04/mash-unit/comment-page-3/#comment-643571 ken Wed, 06 Jan 2010 02:27:13 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=2434#comment-643571 agreed. Need prove watch what brooks does to Fish tonight. agreed. Need prove watch what brooks does to Fish tonight.

]]> By: Aaron http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2010/01/04/mash-unit/comment-page-3/#comment-643540 Aaron Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:38:08 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=2434#comment-643540 Exactly... just like everyone knows now that Brown/Sasha/Farmar are better options at PG than Fisher. Exactly… just like everyone knows now that Brown/Sasha/Farmar are better options at PG than Fisher.

]]> By: JOE http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2010/01/04/mash-unit/comment-page-3/#comment-643530 JOE Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:10:50 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=2434#comment-643530 Sorry I meant Aaron. Sorry I meant Aaron.

]]> By: JOE http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2010/01/04/mash-unit/comment-page-3/#comment-643529 JOE Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:44:48 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=2434#comment-643529 Ray everyone that followed the Lakers knew that Vlad was useless to the Lakers and Ariza/Walton were much better options. Maybe Phil did not want to make waves, but I don't think Phil cares too much about waves--so I will take Walton's word when he says he volunteered himself to the bench. Fisher isn't Walton or Ariza---he has done some major things for the Laker organization and Kobe loves him. Phil will not bench him in the middle of a season--its just not gonna happen. I really love the potential that Brown brings to the game. Phil can do what he did the last couple of games and reduce Fishers minutes and give more to Brown, Farmar, and the fouling machine. Ray everyone that followed the Lakers knew that Vlad was useless to the Lakers and Ariza/Walton were much better options. Maybe Phil did not want to make waves, but I don’t think Phil cares too much about waves–so I will take Walton’s word when he says he volunteered himself to the bench.
Fisher isn’t Walton or Ariza—he has done some major things for the Laker organization and Kobe loves him. Phil will not bench him in the middle of a season–its just not gonna happen.

I really love the potential that Brown brings to the game. Phil can do what he did the last couple of games and reduce Fishers minutes and give more to Brown, Farmar, and the fouling machine.

]]> By: Aaron http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2010/01/04/mash-unit/comment-page-2/#comment-643526 Aaron Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:52:40 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=2434#comment-643526 ...and Kurt, Nobody thinks Farmar or Brown or Sasha are good NBA PG's. But all three are better than Fisher. Just like when we had to start Walton years back... he was the worst SF in the league but he was better than who we had on the bench. Whoever the Lakers start at PG will be the worst starting PG in the NBA most likely, but they are better than Fisher. And just because people complain that as of today we are not starting our best PG doesn't mean they are not happy with the team. Nobody is saying the Lakers are not the best team in the NBA. …and Kurt,
Nobody thinks Farmar or Brown or Sasha are good NBA PG’s. But all three are better than Fisher. Just like when we had to start Walton years back… he was the worst SF in the league but he was better than who we had on the bench. Whoever the Lakers start at PG will be the worst starting PG in the NBA most likely, but they are better than Fisher.

And just because people complain that as of today we are not starting our best PG doesn’t mean they are not happy with the team. Nobody is saying the Lakers are not the best team in the NBA.

]]> By: Aaron http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2010/01/04/mash-unit/comment-page-2/#comment-643525 Aaron Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:35:26 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=2434#comment-643525 Ray (102), So I didn't know more than Phil when I wanted Ariza to start over Vlad and Walton? Just because Phil is the best coach in the history of the NBA doesn't mean he can never be wrong. And if Fisher is still starting after the all star break (which I don't think he will be) than I think Phil will be wrong. Joe (105), Do you really think Walton volunteered to be benched? I doubt it. What is more likely is Phil didn't want to make waves in the locker room by benching a veteran for a young player like Ariza. When Phil decides to bench Fisher in favor of another young Laker I would assume Phil would use that same line again. Darius, Derek led from the bench that season... and he can do the same thing from the bench this season. The last place he can help the team is on the floor. Ray (102),
So I didn’t know more than Phil when I wanted Ariza to start over Vlad and Walton? Just because Phil is the best coach in the history of the NBA doesn’t mean he can never be wrong. And if Fisher is still starting after the all star break (which I don’t think he will be) than I think Phil will be wrong.

Joe (105),
Do you really think Walton volunteered to be benched? I doubt it. What is more likely is Phil didn’t want to make waves in the locker room by benching a veteran for a young player like Ariza. When Phil decides to bench Fisher in favor of another young Laker I would assume Phil would use that same line again.

Darius,
Derek led from the bench that season… and he can do the same thing from the bench this season. The last place he can help the team is on the floor.

]]> By: Yusuf http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2010/01/04/mash-unit/comment-page-2/#comment-643524 Yusuf Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:18:09 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=2434#comment-643524 Kobe's ranked 3rd in Kelly Dwyers MVP list right now... What more does he have to do? Teams ranked first in the league and he leads the league in scoring... All while dealin with Pau & Ron missing time and with no bench production to speak of. Lebron has 3/5ths of the starting lineup that won 66 games last year on his BENCH this year. Ilgauskas/Varejao and Delonte all coming off the pine. Duncan still has Parker/Ginobili/Jefferson mixed with a bunch of good role players. Now im not sayin Kobe's supporting cast isnt better but he deserves better than third. Kobe’s ranked 3rd in Kelly Dwyers MVP list right now… What more does he have to do? Teams ranked first in the league and he leads the league in scoring… All while dealin with Pau & Ron missing time and with no bench production to speak of.

Lebron has 3/5ths of the starting lineup that won 66 games last year on his BENCH this year. Ilgauskas/Varejao and Delonte all coming off the pine.

Duncan still has Parker/Ginobili/Jefferson mixed with a bunch of good role players.

Now im not sayin Kobe’s supporting cast isnt better but he deserves better than third.

]]> By: Yusuf http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2010/01/04/mash-unit/comment-page-2/#comment-643523 Yusuf Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:04:07 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=2434#comment-643523 We're almost at the halfway point of the season and we havent had a chance to play with our full roster for a full month yet. Walton, Pau, Bynum and Artest have all missed time. Cant wait to see what our bench looks like when we have Walton back. We’re almost at the halfway point of the season and we havent had a chance to play with our full roster for a full month yet.

Walton, Pau, Bynum and Artest have all missed time.

Cant wait to see what our bench looks like when we have Walton back.

]]> By: JOE http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2010/01/04/mash-unit/comment-page-2/#comment-643521 JOE Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:37:08 +0000 http://www.forumblueandgold.com/?p=2434#comment-643521 Phil is not going to bench Fisher and thats the bottom line---unless Fish volunteers for it (just like Luke did for Ariza last year). I do believe we will have a new starting PG next season though--but not this season. Fish would make an excellent back up PG. He still got 2-3 seasons left in him as a back up. Brown looked very good the other night--as did Farmar. I still believe that if Brown were given more time that he would be the perfect fit for the triangle. Off the topic--did anyone see the NBA power rankings on ESPN and that Marc Stein ranked Cleveland #1 after losing at home to the Bobcats or something like that. The Lakers have 3 less losses and Boston has 1 less loss but yet this tool ranks Cleveland above them. I mean what has Cleveland and Lebron accomplished? I think Lebron is great and all but Cleveland is not that good enough to be ranked #1 overall--I don't care who they beat. The more articles I read the more and more I see these writers being partial to almost an anti-Laker movement here-lol. What happened to the days when you wrote without being partial? Phil is not going to bench Fisher and thats the bottom line—unless Fish volunteers for it (just like Luke did for Ariza last year). I do believe we will have a new starting PG next season though–but not this season. Fish would make an excellent back up PG. He still got 2-3 seasons left in him as a back up.
Brown looked very good the other night–as did Farmar. I still believe that if Brown were given more time that he would be the perfect fit for the triangle.

Off the topic–did anyone see the NBA power rankings on ESPN and that Marc Stein ranked Cleveland #1 after losing at home to the Bobcats or something like that. The Lakers have 3 less losses and Boston has 1 less loss but yet this tool ranks Cleveland above them. I mean what has Cleveland and Lebron accomplished? I think Lebron is great and all but Cleveland is not that good enough to be ranked #1 overall–I don’t care who they beat. The more articles I read the more and more I see these writers being partial to almost an anti-Laker movement here-lol. What happened to the days when you wrote without being partial?

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