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		<title>By: Buzz Lightyear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buzz Lightyear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In looking through some old pre-season basketball annuals (Lindy&#039;s , Sporting News, etc.), I was astonished to see just how much more talented the league is than it was just a few years ago.

I knew that there had been an influx of talent, but I didn&#039;t realize how significant it has been.

Consider the New Jersey Nets, on pace to have the worst season in NBA history.

Even THE NETS have 2 All-Star caliber players (Lopez and Harris), the starting shooting guard from an NBA conference champion (Courtney Lee), plus some solid rotation players (CDR, Yi Jianlian, Terrence Williams).

Would you rather have that team, or your 2006-2007 Lakers (Kobe, LO, Kwame, VladRad, Smush Parker)?

It&#039;s a truism that on any given night, any team in the NBA can beat any other team. There&#039;s that much talent going around now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In looking through some old pre-season basketball annuals (Lindy&#8217;s , Sporting News, etc.), I was astonished to see just how much more talented the league is than it was just a few years ago.</p>
<p>I knew that there had been an influx of talent, but I didn&#8217;t realize how significant it has been.</p>
<p>Consider the New Jersey Nets, on pace to have the worst season in NBA history.</p>
<p>Even THE NETS have 2 All-Star caliber players (Lopez and Harris), the starting shooting guard from an NBA conference champion (Courtney Lee), plus some solid rotation players (CDR, Yi Jianlian, Terrence Williams).</p>
<p>Would you rather have that team, or your 2006-2007 Lakers (Kobe, LO, Kwame, VladRad, Smush Parker)?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a truism that on any given night, any team in the NBA can beat any other team. There&#8217;s that much talent going around now.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New post up where you can talk trades.</description>
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		<title>By: Mimsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mimsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#39,
Regarding warrior mentality: I think Pau is a soldier, just not the type that is a good commander. I agree that never showed in Mephis, since no one expected them to do well anyway, but with the Lakers it&#039;s more obvious. Thing is, he doesn&#039;t have to be in charge with us. We already have an alpha male, that will refuse to yield that position no matter how old he gets. Kobe will never step down, because he will, to his death, remain convinced that no one on the Lakers is better at basketball than he is , and that no one on the team wants to win more than he does.

By the way, when Fisher comes up, Kobe often mentions that he respects Derek because &quot;he&#039;s as competitive as I am&quot;.  That makes it possible to believer that Fisher wants to win as much as he does, and that, I think, is how you earn Kobe&#039;s trust. By proving that you&#039;re willing to fight as hard to win as he is, that you want it as badly, as passionately, as pathologically as he does.

Pau is however a very good second-in-command. He can move the ball, play in the paint, he rebounds, he passes, he scores when we need him to. When he&#039;s on the floor things flow smoother.

As for additional warriors on the team: Artest. Before he developed the feet problems, got a concussion and now stomache flu, he was diving for loose balls, fighting for rebounds, and played with pretty much the same intensity as Kobe. I have no doubt that once he recovers and his energy levels go back up to normal, Ron the Rottweiler will be back in his full glory.

I really didn&#039;t like the idea of him coming to the Lakers, but I&#039;m starting to warm up to the guy. He&#039;s a fighter, in the good sense of the word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#39,<br />
Regarding warrior mentality: I think Pau is a soldier, just not the type that is a good commander. I agree that never showed in Mephis, since no one expected them to do well anyway, but with the Lakers it&#8217;s more obvious. Thing is, he doesn&#8217;t have to be in charge with us. We already have an alpha male, that will refuse to yield that position no matter how old he gets. Kobe will never step down, because he will, to his death, remain convinced that no one on the Lakers is better at basketball than he is , and that no one on the team wants to win more than he does.</p>
<p>By the way, when Fisher comes up, Kobe often mentions that he respects Derek because &#8220;he&#8217;s as competitive as I am&#8221;.  That makes it possible to believer that Fisher wants to win as much as he does, and that, I think, is how you earn Kobe&#8217;s trust. By proving that you&#8217;re willing to fight as hard to win as he is, that you want it as badly, as passionately, as pathologically as he does.</p>
<p>Pau is however a very good second-in-command. He can move the ball, play in the paint, he rebounds, he passes, he scores when we need him to. When he&#8217;s on the floor things flow smoother.</p>
<p>As for additional warriors on the team: Artest. Before he developed the feet problems, got a concussion and now stomache flu, he was diving for loose balls, fighting for rebounds, and played with pretty much the same intensity as Kobe. I have no doubt that once he recovers and his energy levels go back up to normal, Ron the Rottweiler will be back in his full glory.</p>
<p>I really didn&#8217;t like the idea of him coming to the Lakers, but I&#8217;m starting to warm up to the guy. He&#8217;s a fighter, in the good sense of the word.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>45. You and I are on the same page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>45. You and I are on the same page.</p>
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		<title>By: Barath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Aaron (35) , Re: Fisher.

David Ricardo laid out the theory of comparative advantage and applied it to trade. He posited that even if one nation was more inefficient than a second at creating either of two products, if the first nation was better at creating one product than it was at the second, both nations would still benefit.

Now, I&#039;m going to make up numbers for an artificial scenario with Fisher and Farmar. Let&#039;s assume that 25 minutes of Fisher with the first team yields 10 &#039;units of basketball value&#039; and 20 minutes of Farmar with the second team yields 20 &#039;units&#039;.  Now, giving Farmar 25 minutes with the first team he produces 25 units while Fisher in 20 minutes with the second team only produces 1 unit. In other words, the drop off from Fisher working fewer minutes with the second team is more than the gain produced. 
Looking at some possible sources of Fisher&#039;s value to the team : 3 point shooting when left open, ability to inspire trust from Kobe, ability to make a defensive stop or two in a system, possibility of running the offense, these would seem to be strengths that are more valuable with the first team.
[Asides : For: Luke provides the second team the same steadiness and &quot;run the system&quot; that Fisher does and Luke could not step into Fisher&#039;s role in the first team. 
Against: Then again, it  doesn&#039;t seem as if Fisher actually runs the offense, it seems as if Kobe does what Kobe wants, either way.
Further : I would suggest that giving Farmar 36-40 minutes is also a worse option as is Farmar is not yet ready for 36-40+ minutes and would have poor effects on the team play
Further : Brown is not a replacement for Fisher/Farmar
Finally : ~6 minutes playing time  is usually not enough for most players who need more time to settle into a rhythm ]

Note that this argument is not conclusive, as there are always &quot;fudge factors&quot; I have ignored. (Kobe/Odom running the offense, reducing Fisher&#039;s minutes, etc). I do suggest that this could be a significant reason behind Phil&#039;s decisions, though.

[And yes, I *am* ignoring the 5 man lineup plus minus statistics for the Lakers, which would be relevant if this decision were primarily about the statistics and not about the general nature of the reasoning]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Aaron (35) , Re: Fisher.</p>
<p>David Ricardo laid out the theory of comparative advantage and applied it to trade. He posited that even if one nation was more inefficient than a second at creating either of two products, if the first nation was better at creating one product than it was at the second, both nations would still benefit.</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m going to make up numbers for an artificial scenario with Fisher and Farmar. Let&#8217;s assume that 25 minutes of Fisher with the first team yields 10 &#8216;units of basketball value&#8217; and 20 minutes of Farmar with the second team yields 20 &#8216;units&#8217;.  Now, giving Farmar 25 minutes with the first team he produces 25 units while Fisher in 20 minutes with the second team only produces 1 unit. In other words, the drop off from Fisher working fewer minutes with the second team is more than the gain produced.<br />
Looking at some possible sources of Fisher&#8217;s value to the team : 3 point shooting when left open, ability to inspire trust from Kobe, ability to make a defensive stop or two in a system, possibility of running the offense, these would seem to be strengths that are more valuable with the first team.<br />
[Asides : For: Luke provides the second team the same steadiness and "run the system" that Fisher does and Luke could not step into Fisher's role in the first team.<br />
Against: Then again, it  doesn't seem as if Fisher actually runs the offense, it seems as if Kobe does what Kobe wants, either way.<br />
Further : I would suggest that giving Farmar 36-40 minutes is also a worse option as is Farmar is not yet ready for 36-40+ minutes and would have poor effects on the team play<br />
Further : Brown is not a replacement for Fisher/Farmar<br />
Finally : ~6 minutes playing time  is usually not enough for most players who need more time to settle into a rhythm ]</p>
<p>Note that this argument is not conclusive, as there are always &#8220;fudge factors&#8221; I have ignored. (Kobe/Odom running the offense, reducing Fisher&#8217;s minutes, etc). I do suggest that this could be a significant reason behind Phil&#8217;s decisions, though.</p>
<p>[And yes, I *am* ignoring the 5 man lineup plus minus statistics for the Lakers, which would be relevant if this decision were primarily about the statistics and not about the general nature of the reasoning]</p>
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		<title>By: Busboys4me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Busboys4me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kurt

Miami actually LOST the game because D Wade:

1) only scored two points after halftime,

2) missed two free throws with less than a minute left in the game, and

3) made the ill-advised behind the back pass with less than 10 seconds in the game.

As good as he was in the first half, he negated all of it in the last minute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kurt</p>
<p>Miami actually LOST the game because D Wade:</p>
<p>1) only scored two points after halftime,</p>
<p>2) missed two free throws with less than a minute left in the game, and</p>
<p>3) made the ill-advised behind the back pass with less than 10 seconds in the game.</p>
<p>As good as he was in the first half, he negated all of it in the last minute.</p>
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		<title>By: Busboys4me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Busboys4me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree Phil is tinkering and there are nagging injuries happening to the major players (Artest-feet, Bryant-fingers, back, and worn down; Bynum-respitory, Gasol-quads, Fisher-age, and Odom-hand) they just don&#039;t seem to be into it. Except of course for Kobe and Fisher. Everyone else is going through the motions and that&#039;s dangerous. The media and team both seem to feel like this team is just going to turn it on, but I don&#039;t agree. They are not as loaded as people see. They play the same game as Cleveland, except Cleveland has a healthier, younger, stronger finisher. I won&#039;t say better. Has age finally caught up to the two true Laker warriors? Only Father Time will tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree Phil is tinkering and there are nagging injuries happening to the major players (Artest-feet, Bryant-fingers, back, and worn down; Bynum-respitory, Gasol-quads, Fisher-age, and Odom-hand) they just don&#8217;t seem to be into it. Except of course for Kobe and Fisher. Everyone else is going through the motions and that&#8217;s dangerous. The media and team both seem to feel like this team is just going to turn it on, but I don&#8217;t agree. They are not as loaded as people see. They play the same game as Cleveland, except Cleveland has a healthier, younger, stronger finisher. I won&#8217;t say better. Has age finally caught up to the two true Laker warriors? Only Father Time will tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Busboys4me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Busboys4me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ wiseolgoat #25

Isn&#039;t that the reason we are here?  We voice what we feel is the issue and discuss it with one another.  We know we don&#039;t have a say and what the Buss&#039; family and Mitch will do.  We just share ideas on what we would do or what our concerns are.  THIS is a Laker fan site and I come here to vent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ wiseolgoat #25</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that the reason we are here?  We voice what we feel is the issue and discuss it with one another.  We know we don&#8217;t have a say and what the Buss&#8217; family and Mitch will do.  We just share ideas on what we would do or what our concerns are.  THIS is a Laker fan site and I come here to vent.</p>
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		<title>By: 3ThreeIII</title>
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		<dc:creator>3ThreeIII</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The good news about most of our issues on offense is how easily they are solved.

Give Bynum and Gasol 4 more touches each per game.  Take those touches away from Kobe (2), Farmar (2), Brown (2), Artest (1) and Fisher (1).

With the high percentage both Bynum and Gasol convert, that is essentially giving away 7 points (+/- 1 point) and getting 11 points (+/- 1 point).

Based on True Shooting % it is really just that simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The good news about most of our issues on offense is how easily they are solved.</p>
<p>Give Bynum and Gasol 4 more touches each per game.  Take those touches away from Kobe (2), Farmar (2), Brown (2), Artest (1) and Fisher (1).</p>
<p>With the high percentage both Bynum and Gasol convert, that is essentially giving away 7 points (+/- 1 point) and getting 11 points (+/- 1 point).</p>
<p>Based on True Shooting % it is really just that simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 04:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>42. Cleveland won that game because Wade made a lazy behind the back pass while covered by LeBron with the game on the line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>42. Cleveland won that game because Wade made a lazy behind the back pass while covered by LeBron with the game on the line.</p>
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