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		<title>By: ken</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2010/02/03/lakersbobcats-where-winning-ugly-happens/comment-page-1/#comment-649299</link>
		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 06:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK I might have been to hasty on my Pau thoughts. He just seems very tentative since his return. I am a big Pau fan and also a 40 year Laker fan, 30 year season ticket holder and former collage player and often too hard on my team. We don&#039;t win without him so I will be more selective in my comments in the future,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK I might have been to hasty on my Pau thoughts. He just seems very tentative since his return. I am a big Pau fan and also a 40 year Laker fan, 30 year season ticket holder and former collage player and often too hard on my team. We don&#8217;t win without him so I will be more selective in my comments in the future,</p>
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		<title>By: Snoopy2006</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snoopy2006</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gatinho - That&#039;s a really interesting tally, I&#039;d love to see someone do that for an entire game or stretch of games. Interesting that Artest and Fish passed the ball into the post less than the post players themselves. I&#039;m sure that&#039;s a function of how the triangle runs - I didn&#039;t see the game - but I&#039;m assuming Kobe&#039;s position in the triangle makes him the primary post entry passer at the corners. 

So 11 non-triangle possessions, out of how many? I think the triangle should be run at least 60-70% of the time, generally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gatinho &#8211; That&#8217;s a really interesting tally, I&#8217;d love to see someone do that for an entire game or stretch of games. Interesting that Artest and Fish passed the ball into the post less than the post players themselves. I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s a function of how the triangle runs &#8211; I didn&#8217;t see the game &#8211; but I&#8217;m assuming Kobe&#8217;s position in the triangle makes him the primary post entry passer at the corners. </p>
<p>So 11 non-triangle possessions, out of how many? I think the triangle should be run at least 60-70% of the time, generally.</p>
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		<title>By: Darius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New post up.  Talking the Lakers struggles on offense this season.

http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2010/02/04/what-is-wrong-with-the-lakers-offense/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New post up.  Talking the Lakers struggles on offense this season.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2010/02/04/what-is-wrong-with-the-lakers-offense/" rel="nofollow">http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2010/02/04/what-is-wrong-with-the-lakers-offense/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gatinho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gatinho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very crude and unofficial tally I took through the 1st quarter and half (until Kobe came out) tracking offensive tendencies.

Who threw entry passes into the post?
Kobe lead the way by far with 11, followed at a distant by Gasol with 3, Bynum w/ 2, and Artest and Fish w/ 1 apiece. 

Also, Pau passed out of the post 5 times while Bynum (shocker) never did.

They ran 6 pick and rolls and 5 possessions could have been called &quot;isos&quot;, or shots without any passes. Kobe&#039;s first 4 shots were in this category.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very crude and unofficial tally I took through the 1st quarter and half (until Kobe came out) tracking offensive tendencies.</p>
<p>Who threw entry passes into the post?<br />
Kobe lead the way by far with 11, followed at a distant by Gasol with 3, Bynum w/ 2, and Artest and Fish w/ 1 apiece. </p>
<p>Also, Pau passed out of the post 5 times while Bynum (shocker) never did.</p>
<p>They ran 6 pick and rolls and 5 possessions could have been called &#8220;isos&#8221;, or shots without any passes. Kobe&#8217;s first 4 shots were in this category.</p>
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		<title>By: sT</title>
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		<dc:creator>sT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am going to defend Gasol and Walton for a minute.  Pau Gasol is the best thing to come to the Lakers since Kobe or Shaq for that matter, in recent times, we want him on our team.  Luke, you just run the Triangle beautifully, I wish most of our guards would follow your lead.  I did not realize how much we missed him until he has come back, he certainly should be getting more minutes now days.

“Time has a wonderful way of showing us what really matters.” – Margaret Peters</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going to defend Gasol and Walton for a minute.  Pau Gasol is the best thing to come to the Lakers since Kobe or Shaq for that matter, in recent times, we want him on our team.  Luke, you just run the Triangle beautifully, I wish most of our guards would follow your lead.  I did not realize how much we missed him until he has come back, he certainly should be getting more minutes now days.</p>
<p>“Time has a wonderful way of showing us what really matters.” – Margaret Peters</p>
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		<title>By: The Dude Abides</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dude Abides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>16. Darius, actual Laker fans know just how valuable Pau Gasol is to this team (2009 NBA Finals, plus the team&#039;s comparative records with and without him).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>16. Darius, actual Laker fans know just how valuable Pau Gasol is to this team (2009 NBA Finals, plus the team&#8217;s comparative records with and without him).</p>
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		<title>By: VoR</title>
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		<dc:creator>VoR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am surprised no one has mentioned this, but Sasha V. came up big again last night.  Kobe goes down - amidst the widespread panic, Sasha steps in playing the vital role of decoy (just like Kobe does sometimes) as the Lakers go on to get a critical bucket right before the half.  

At the end of the game it was those two points that proved to be the margin of victory.  The Machine, in just twelve seconds of burn, secures victory from the jaws of defeat. That&#039;s called earning your salary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am surprised no one has mentioned this, but Sasha V. came up big again last night.  Kobe goes down &#8211; amidst the widespread panic, Sasha steps in playing the vital role of decoy (just like Kobe does sometimes) as the Lakers go on to get a critical bucket right before the half.  </p>
<p>At the end of the game it was those two points that proved to be the margin of victory.  The Machine, in just twelve seconds of burn, secures victory from the jaws of defeat. That&#8217;s called earning your salary.</p>
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		<title>By: kaveh</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaveh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#15 Ken,

You should work in statistics!  They love it when you take an incredibly short period of time, in hindsight no less, and then extrapolate out into infinity. 

I guess i could do the same.  Hope i get signed by the Lakers for a 1 game contract, play the first minute of the game, score a lucky basket and bench myself.  Then i could claim that my scoring is 2pts per 1 minute.  Extrapolated over a game, 48 minutes i think, that&#039;s a 96pt per game average.

Just think if i got a rebound!~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15 Ken,</p>
<p>You should work in statistics!  They love it when you take an incredibly short period of time, in hindsight no less, and then extrapolate out into infinity. </p>
<p>I guess i could do the same.  Hope i get signed by the Lakers for a 1 game contract, play the first minute of the game, score a lucky basket and bench myself.  Then i could claim that my scoring is 2pts per 1 minute.  Extrapolated over a game, 48 minutes i think, that&#8217;s a 96pt per game average.</p>
<p>Just think if i got a rebound!~</p>
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		<title>By: kaveh</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaveh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This game was horrible and ugly to watch.  Kobe, my favorite all time player, if you can&#039;t play, get off the damn court!

Shannon/Farmar, you are freakin killing me out there.  No, you guys are NOT Kobe Bean Bryant, no you are not even a Vince Carter in his prime, you are ROLE players.  Please take this into consideration when throwing up low percentage shots over and over.  Just run the freakin offense and score in the flow of that offense.  You know, like when you have an absolutely WIDE open 3pt shot.  Or when you have a lane to drive through.  Do not take fade away3pt shots, or in someone&#039;s face deep 2pt shots.  

Odom --if you had Kobe&#039;s brain you would be an all-star every year.  Why can&#039;t you understand that you are unstoppable down low?  I&#039;m not talking about posting up ISO.  I&#039;m talking about coming off screens and catching the ball within 5 feet of the basket, or getting put backs, or whatever.  Your defense is also top notch when you try.  Odom, you are the most important player on this team.  Forget that, i should say most underestimated.

Pau --go up strong.  You are playing WEAK.  Don&#039;t try to get a foul called.  They will come if you just go up strong.

Bynum --why do you disappear?  Play the entire time.  Your rebounding and defense were great today.

Fisher --retire.

Luke --tell PJ to play you more minutes.

Artest --play in the flow of the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This game was horrible and ugly to watch.  Kobe, my favorite all time player, if you can&#8217;t play, get off the damn court!</p>
<p>Shannon/Farmar, you are freakin killing me out there.  No, you guys are NOT Kobe Bean Bryant, no you are not even a Vince Carter in his prime, you are ROLE players.  Please take this into consideration when throwing up low percentage shots over and over.  Just run the freakin offense and score in the flow of that offense.  You know, like when you have an absolutely WIDE open 3pt shot.  Or when you have a lane to drive through.  Do not take fade away3pt shots, or in someone&#8217;s face deep 2pt shots.  </p>
<p>Odom &#8211;if you had Kobe&#8217;s brain you would be an all-star every year.  Why can&#8217;t you understand that you are unstoppable down low?  I&#8217;m not talking about posting up ISO.  I&#8217;m talking about coming off screens and catching the ball within 5 feet of the basket, or getting put backs, or whatever.  Your defense is also top notch when you try.  Odom, you are the most important player on this team.  Forget that, i should say most underestimated.</p>
<p>Pau &#8211;go up strong.  You are playing WEAK.  Don&#8217;t try to get a foul called.  They will come if you just go up strong.</p>
<p>Bynum &#8211;why do you disappear?  Play the entire time.  Your rebounding and defense were great today.</p>
<p>Fisher &#8211;retire.</p>
<p>Luke &#8211;tell PJ to play you more minutes.</p>
<p>Artest &#8211;play in the flow of the game.</p>
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		<title>By: chris h</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think PJ is also aware that Kobe needs to shut it down, didn&#039;t you see that (TV) shot last night of Kobe sitting on the bench in the 4th qtr, while he did look like &quot;put me in coach!&quot;, he also seemed a bit content to let the team that was out there do their thing.

I have been watching Kobe and while it&#039;s admirable that he wants to play through the pain, he&#039;s also a liability on defense, and his shooting percentage is also down due to the injuries.

I think PJ will exercise his authority to give Kobe the breather that he needs (but won&#039;t accept), that may be our best option now.

also, when Kobe does sit, it does seem like the others, especially Drew, LO, and Farmar, and Ron as well, raise their games to compensate, and I think this is a good thing in the bigger picture, for the team as a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think PJ is also aware that Kobe needs to shut it down, didn&#8217;t you see that (TV) shot last night of Kobe sitting on the bench in the 4th qtr, while he did look like &#8220;put me in coach!&#8221;, he also seemed a bit content to let the team that was out there do their thing.</p>
<p>I have been watching Kobe and while it&#8217;s admirable that he wants to play through the pain, he&#8217;s also a liability on defense, and his shooting percentage is also down due to the injuries.</p>
<p>I think PJ will exercise his authority to give Kobe the breather that he needs (but won&#8217;t accept), that may be our best option now.</p>
<p>also, when Kobe does sit, it does seem like the others, especially Drew, LO, and Farmar, and Ron as well, raise their games to compensate, and I think this is a good thing in the bigger picture, for the team as a whole.</p>
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