Ray,
Finally we are speaking the same language now. I agree. We should be comparing Fisher to guys like Rafer Alston. Rafer being an old washed up journeyman PG who was cut by the Nets and recently signed by Miami to help out with their injury situation at guard.

About Kobe showing up at all star but not playing that’s Whack! Fans want to see him with a ball not a high price insurance suit. The leauge is for our entertainment-not team agendas. He should play. I hope Iverson gets the MVP too.

so you’d take rafer alston over fisher?

I would agree that he probably wouldn’t be playing many minutes in the league at his age if he were on any other team. However, he still has the ability to come in for a few minutes and add something to the game.

My point is that the system we are running is breaking down and that, more than his individual capabilities, is what is creating such bad statistics – not the other way around. I realize you won’t agree with me, but hasn’t this topic been beaten to death? Shouldn’t we be talking about something else? Bring something fresh to the table.

Craig,
And I agree stats don’t tell the whole story. I’m in the camp that believes Fisher is actually much worse than his stats indicate. Mainly because he isn’t asked to play a larger role than he can handle but also because he is always on the floor with 4 other star players. I shudder to think about how bad his stats would be if he was on the Bulls and allowed to play 30 minutes a night (he wouldn’t get off the bench of course). Derek’s stats also don’t show how he kills the team on both ends of the floor and how he makes his teammates worse around him. He is the anti Lebron.

Basic education: The triangle is a system A) designed to provide open shots through passing, movement, and balance on the court and B) it is designed to always have at least one player in a position to defend on a breakaway.

The Lakers haven’t been playing the triangle a lot lately. Since we don’t play any other type of offensive system, we aren’t in any kind of defensive position when the ball changes ends. Therefore, not only do we get frustrated with the constantly contested shots we get, but our defense sucks.

The faster players tend to get more run outs (read PG) and our PG is most likely to be caught in the traffic jam. Hence, statistics are never going to favor our guys in this type of exchange.

I am not trying to make Fish better than he is – heck, I was complaining about him 8-9 years ago when we were 3peating – but statistics just do not provide you’all with the ‘finishing touches’ in your arguements.

I doubt any level headed and unbiased individual would even make a case against that statement. To me it is undeniable.

Yet an option you guys are bringing up is 10 times worse. Hincrich is a HORRIBLE replacement for Fisher. Taking into consideration for salary, Hinrich could be the worst player per $1 paid in the NBA. Ok, this i’m not too sure about, but it’s gotta be a close.

Let’s take a look at Hinrich’s stats vs Fisher:

Hinrich Fisher

TS% 47% 50%
eFG% 44% 45%
FG% 37.7% 37.9%
3fg% 34.9% 35%
usg% 17.2% 13.7%
PER 10.2 9.2

To me, these are the most important numbers. PER is possibly the most important, but PER goes up the more your usage rate goes up (the more possessions you use). Hinrich has a 10.2 PER vs Fisher at 9.2. But Hinrich uses 17.2% of the possessions in a game when he is in, compared to Fish who uses much less in 13.7%. This is great, since if you are a horrible player, the best thing you can do is hide in the corner and hopefully everyone will forget you even exist. Hinrich for his pitiful numbers has a very high usage rate, which is horrible. A pitiful player that thinks he is good!

The efficiency numbers you see above are the most startling. We see how inefficient Fisher is on the court –like i said, perhaps the worst starting player in the entire NBA! Yet Hinrich’s efficiency is even more putrid than Fishers! In every category, Hinrich is laughable. His TS% which is a pure efficiency number, ie how much do you produce per possession is at 47% while Fisher is at 50%. And you people want to trade for Hinrich?

Believe me, Fisher is bad, Hinrich is even worse. You may say that his defense makes up for it a little. Well, at his age, his defense is starting to slip as well. Hinrich is one of the worse offensive players i’ve seen. He is shooting 37% from the field…no, not from 3pt land, but from the field in general, lol. His numbers are HORRIBLE.

And you guys want to TRADE FOR HIM by giving up some of our assets and paying his ridiculous salary? If Mitch makes this move i will be stunned.

Only fans who haven’t done any research and are going by reputation alone can believe Hinrich is the answer.

And I think there were so many power forwards hurting us during those years because there were so many damn good power forwards. Horry was underrated defender. It’s just now, the league rules make it easier for point guards to get the first step.

I have no problem with you thinking Fisher is terrible. Go ahead. But Phil isn’t switching him out. And bringing in a point guard with no triangle experience wouldn’t be a great addition to the team. Maybe next year, sure. But Farmar doesn’t execute the offense well. Shannon is too inconsistent. I want Farmar to be the starter, but I get more frustrated with him asking for Pick and Rolls all the time.