Comments on: Around the World (Wide Web): Kobe, Lamar and Magic

By: Anon-ee-mus

Anon-ee-mus — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:24:05 +0000

While I don’t follow Abbot on a regular enough basis to have any opinion of him, I do unfortunately read Ball Don’t Lie [out of habit]. And Kelly Dwyer is exactly like, if not worse, than how some of you have described Abbot. Every single time, he absolutely MUST bring up the “Kobe is not as clutch as you people think, and I’ve been saying this for a long time, but hey, he’s been great this year” bit. Even if he is correct, it’s just really annoying and comes off as condescending to the readers (never mind fans of Kobe) considering he’s said that same thing consistently for the past two years now. We get it man. You know way more than everyone else. Could you stop shoving it down our collective throats?
Also, his recent article about Jordan was pathetic. Okay, KD rant over. Sorry about that. Needed to get it out.

PS – Long time reader, first time poster. Thank you for all the analysis and discussions. I live in India and we get just one NBA game a week on Saturday, so sites like this one and SSR really help me get my Laker fix.

By: nimble

nimble — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:30:27 +0000

Abbott do not forget to watch ”fumbled” assists from Kobe for the last 5 years with your PER lovers.

By: ken

ken — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 06:08:31 +0000

Snoopy thanks for that Fisher story. I haven’t spent the time to put togeateher all those stats. But i have been saying on this site and Laker reaio talk all year “Fisher is the worst starting point guard in the nBA”.

I have been blasted and told I don’t knew the game.

Well thanks Snoopy for showing that story. I feel that my 40 years of being a Laker fan, my playing and coaching the game and ability to believe my own eyes has been vindicated,

By: ken

ken — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 05:49:20 +0000

Flip-great story you found. Boy is it right on. I wish Phil would tape that to Andrew and Pau locker and make them read it before every game.

The world is full of people who complain about their life results but are blind to how THEY created those results.

Less talk and more actions my 7 foot friends.

By: themojojedi

themojojedi — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:31:57 +0000

Great article by Forum Blue and Golder Brian Tung, as linked by TrueHoop:

http://thenullhypodermic.blogspot.com/2010/03/unifying-statistics.html

Demonstrates some great thought and ideas for understanding the context of mid-game and clutch performance.

Essentially the idea is that player performance can be assessed by the expected value that a player adds or subtracts to the successful outcome of a play, given the position/situation in which they receive the ball.

In a clutch situation, the outcome of the performance becomes magnified because the success or failure of a play is now linked completely to a Win or Loss. Higher praise should be given for turning a slim chance of victory into a win than the blame and shame that should be given for missing.

The Chris Paul-David West example makes it clear that it’s no wonder that Laker fans still have such frustration and disdain for Kwame “Mr -1.5″ Brown.

By: Craig W.

Craig W. — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:29:34 +0000

“Clutch”

Even trying to describe a statistical box to put around that word to gives me a headache. The ONLY way to determine clutch is to watch games.

If you are talking about Kobe you just might want to include those games he took over in the 3rd qtr that were sure losses before he started scoring. That’s as clutch as any last-second shot. When we try to quantify everything the quality goes all to h*ll.

The same thing is true about being obsessed only with #1. This is something Kurt addressed when he talked about enjoying the ride.

By: TheSTD

TheSTD — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 02:52:38 +0000

I’m inclined to believe we should count the shot that sent the Miami game into OT that we lost anyways

If he missed that we’d count it against him

By: AusPhil

AusPhil — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 02:48:22 +0000

My only guess for why the Dallas shot is excluded by some would be how much time was left (almost 30sec), and how much actually happened afterwards (2 missed FTs by Dallas that would’ve tied it, Drew going 1-2 on FTs, then a missed triple by a Dallas player I can’t remember that would’ve tied it).

It was definitely the game-deciding shot, but not as much of a “winner” as the others. Some people have said similar things about the Boston shot, since the Celts had a clear chance afterwards. I’d definitely say the Boston one counts, but I can see the argument against the Dallas shot.

By: BOOBOO

BOOBOO — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 02:32:05 +0000

I don’t understand. NBA TV showed Kobe’s “six” game winners, including the one against Toronto. Last I checked, it’s a FACT that he has seven. Miami, Milwaukee, Sacramento, Dallas, Boston, Memphis, and now, Toronto. NBA TV and ESPN are both skipping the Dallas one, for whatever reason.

Did NBA TV just missed the Dallas one and ESPN stupidly followed, or is there a reason why the one against Dallas is excluded?

By: Snoopy2006

Snoopy2006 — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 02:18:16 +0000

Great article on how Fisher hurts us offensively:

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2010/3/11/1367619/everything-you-know-about-derek

Kind of puts stats behind everything we’ve noted qualitatively for a while. That ‘veteran-experience’ thing certainly isn’t showing up in shot selection.