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		<title>By: passerby</title>
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		<dc:creator>passerby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 03:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>any links to the game?</description>
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		<title>By: quetzpalin</title>
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		<dc:creator>quetzpalin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, think that Hollinger&#039;s daily rankings are useful, and at the very least more indicative than something like W-L record.

Also, I will never again panic too much through a sluggish season after 2001, when they struggled through the season, got hot at the very end, then rolled through the playoffs. I&#039;m not saying that it will happen this season, just that a PJ-Kobe-Fish team can certainly get itself right for the playoffs.

The only bone of contention I&#039;d have with the post, though, is that I thought Dunleavy was a pretty good GM, but a terrible coach while with the Clippers. To give an idea, Hollinger gave the Blazers a grade of B for that trade, but gave the Clips a B+. I don&#039;t remember the reasoning, exactly, but it was the non-sexy savvy kind of move that got them into the position they are now - lots of talent and lots of cap space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, think that Hollinger&#8217;s daily rankings are useful, and at the very least more indicative than something like W-L record.</p>
<p>Also, I will never again panic too much through a sluggish season after 2001, when they struggled through the season, got hot at the very end, then rolled through the playoffs. I&#8217;m not saying that it will happen this season, just that a PJ-Kobe-Fish team can certainly get itself right for the playoffs.</p>
<p>The only bone of contention I&#8217;d have with the post, though, is that I thought Dunleavy was a pretty good GM, but a terrible coach while with the Clippers. To give an idea, Hollinger gave the Blazers a grade of B for that trade, but gave the Clips a B+. I don&#8217;t remember the reasoning, exactly, but it was the non-sexy savvy kind of move that got them into the position they are now &#8211; lots of talent and lots of cap space.</p>
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		<title>By: tsuwm</title>
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		<dc:creator>tsuwm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;It isn’t rocket science.

no, but it does require that the gears all mesh - something that they haven&#039;t done too well lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;It isn’t rocket science.</p>
<p>no, but it does require that the gears all mesh &#8211; something that they haven&#8217;t done too well lately.</p>
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		<title>By: John Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think if the Lakers play a good game tonight the score will be 115-100.  It is damn hard to keep Phoenix under triple digits unless they are just having a off shooting night.  Every time I&#039;ve seen the Lakers handle the Suns in Lakers-fashion they get up early by creating turnovers, force tough shots and hit open shots on the other end.  If they can do this tonight I think it would change the tune of many Laker fans because Phoenix is always a tough matchup for the Lakeshow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think if the Lakers play a good game tonight the score will be 115-100.  It is damn hard to keep Phoenix under triple digits unless they are just having a off shooting night.  Every time I&#8217;ve seen the Lakers handle the Suns in Lakers-fashion they get up early by creating turnovers, force tough shots and hit open shots on the other end.  If they can do this tonight I think it would change the tune of many Laker fans because Phoenix is always a tough matchup for the Lakeshow.</p>
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		<title>By: jackofarcades</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackofarcades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mavs are actually +8 over their win streak. Their ranking is hurt by their poor play before the trade (+2 PD), and specifically by a couple of bad losses right before the ASB. 

Of course, they still give minutes to Barea, Stevenson, and Najera.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mavs are actually +8 over their win streak. Their ranking is hurt by their poor play before the trade (+2 PD), and specifically by a couple of bad losses right before the ASB. </p>
<p>Of course, they still give minutes to Barea, Stevenson, and Najera.</p>
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		<title>By: tsuwm</title>
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		<dc:creator>tsuwm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darius, if you&#039;re going to defend (even with faint praise) Hollinger&#039;s rankings, you ought to at least mention that Orlando is currently on top.. and Orlando may be the next team to pass L.A. in the overall standings, being a game ahead of Dallas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darius, if you&#8217;re going to defend (even with faint praise) Hollinger&#8217;s rankings, you ought to at least mention that Orlando is currently on top.. and Orlando may be the next team to pass L.A. in the overall standings, being a game ahead of Dallas.</p>
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		<title>By: drrayeye</title>
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		<dc:creator>drrayeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron,

If Fisher stays healthy, you need to find a reliable supplier for the crow you must eat every time Fish adds to his own &quot;behind the scenes&quot; legend with a shot, a steal, a flop against a 3 on 1, a strategic foul, or a pair of clutch free throws.  

Then, as you correctly suggest, there&#039;s his ability to say &quot;no&quot; to Kobe sometimes, and his motivational confidence building for teammates and fans that love him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron,</p>
<p>If Fisher stays healthy, you need to find a reliable supplier for the crow you must eat every time Fish adds to his own &#8220;behind the scenes&#8221; legend with a shot, a steal, a flop against a 3 on 1, a strategic foul, or a pair of clutch free throws.  </p>
<p>Then, as you correctly suggest, there&#8217;s his ability to say &#8220;no&#8221; to Kobe sometimes, and his motivational confidence building for teammates and fans that love him.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>R (ay),
You are right... Derek must be healthy.  He needs his larynx lubricated and warmed up for those oh so important motivational speeches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R (ay),<br />
You are right&#8230; Derek must be healthy.  He needs his larynx lubricated and warmed up for those oh so important motivational speeches.</p>
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		<title>By: Snoopy2006</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snoopy2006</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 05:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That post by Brian is simply fantastic. Very thought-provoking. I wonder if some advanced teams (say, Houston) already use some similar metrics that they keep under wraps.

One thing I wonder - is it possible for a metric to take off-ball movement into account? For example, under this system, Williams passing the ball to Carter decreases the scoring potential because he&#039;s taken 8 seconds off the clock. What if Carter has moved beautifully without the ball so that when he catches the ball he&#039;s in scoring position? Williams might make the same &#039;lazy&#039; pass but get the increase in potential because of Carter&#039;s work off the ball. So wouldn&#039;t even a metric like this be heavily influenced by a player&#039;s teammates and system? I&#039;m probably not thinking it through carefully enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That post by Brian is simply fantastic. Very thought-provoking. I wonder if some advanced teams (say, Houston) already use some similar metrics that they keep under wraps.</p>
<p>One thing I wonder &#8211; is it possible for a metric to take off-ball movement into account? For example, under this system, Williams passing the ball to Carter decreases the scoring potential because he&#8217;s taken 8 seconds off the clock. What if Carter has moved beautifully without the ball so that when he catches the ball he&#8217;s in scoring position? Williams might make the same &#8216;lazy&#8217; pass but get the increase in potential because of Carter&#8217;s work off the ball. So wouldn&#8217;t even a metric like this be heavily influenced by a player&#8217;s teammates and system? I&#8217;m probably not thinking it through carefully enough.</p>
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		<title>By: R</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron - You are forgetting the truly integral cog in the Lakers machine, the key to their championship aspirations. 

You know who I&#039;m talking about ... 

Yes, Derek Fisher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron &#8211; You are forgetting the truly integral cog in the Lakers machine, the key to their championship aspirations. </p>
<p>You know who I&#8217;m talking about &#8230; </p>
<p>Yes, Derek Fisher.</p>
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