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		<title>By: cooldude99</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2010/07/28/state-of-loyalty-in-the-nba/comment-page-2/#comment-688186</link>
		<dc:creator>cooldude99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 04:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>about the rudy f. comment:
i love watching the dude...i think his game fits perfectly for the triangle (and his more consistent than machine), but also, this is phils last year so to say, and i think rudy would also be great in a pick and roll offense which the lakers could easily transition to if they decide to not continue with the triangle... imagine bryant and gasol/drew in pick nd roll with blake/fisher/rudy on the perimeter and odom/rudy slashing to the basket...

im already sold the lakers will win it all this year for a threepeat but im looking ahead in the future...the lakers have the players for pick nd roll offense

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>about the rudy f. comment:<br />
i love watching the dude&#8230;i think his game fits perfectly for the triangle (and his more consistent than machine), but also, this is phils last year so to say, and i think rudy would also be great in a pick and roll offense which the lakers could easily transition to if they decide to not continue with the triangle&#8230; imagine bryant and gasol/drew in pick nd roll with blake/fisher/rudy on the perimeter and odom/rudy slashing to the basket&#8230;</p>
<p>im already sold the lakers will win it all this year for a threepeat but im looking ahead in the future&#8230;the lakers have the players for pick nd roll offense</p>
<p>watcha guys think?</p>
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		<title>By: burningjoe</title>
		<link>http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2010/07/28/state-of-loyalty-in-the-nba/comment-page-2/#comment-688082</link>
		<dc:creator>burningjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 69 Chownoir (was J)

I am not trying to battle you here...sorry if its coming across that way.

If I made the company I work for Millions and Millions of Dollars and they still came up short of getting me real help...I&#039;d not feel bad at all when I moved on. 

Mo and Z were All Stars (Z 2 times, Mo 1 Time)...heck even Jamison was an All Star once if I recall? (to lazy to actually look that up). But that means little too especially considering Mo was what, the 3rd pick by the coach after injuries by his first 2 choices? And what other Center was there in the East in &#039;03 and &#039;05 when Z was an All Star? They had to pick some body.

And again, beating a healthy Laker squad (or any other team) in the regular season means little to nothing.

I am not defending LeBron, but I would have bailed too. And I didn&#039;t hear him blast Cleveland at all (however it certainly has gone the other direction).

 In fact in my opinion,. this worked out better than he or any of his gang would have thought, because its been what...20 days and we are still talking about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 69 Chownoir (was J)</p>
<p>I am not trying to battle you here&#8230;sorry if its coming across that way.</p>
<p>If I made the company I work for Millions and Millions of Dollars and they still came up short of getting me real help&#8230;I&#8217;d not feel bad at all when I moved on. </p>
<p>Mo and Z were All Stars (Z 2 times, Mo 1 Time)&#8230;heck even Jamison was an All Star once if I recall? (to lazy to actually look that up). But that means little too especially considering Mo was what, the 3rd pick by the coach after injuries by his first 2 choices? And what other Center was there in the East in &#8217;03 and &#8217;05 when Z was an All Star? They had to pick some body.</p>
<p>And again, beating a healthy Laker squad (or any other team) in the regular season means little to nothing.</p>
<p>I am not defending LeBron, but I would have bailed too. And I didn&#8217;t hear him blast Cleveland at all (however it certainly has gone the other direction).</p>
<p> In fact in my opinion,. this worked out better than he or any of his gang would have thought, because its been what&#8230;20 days and we are still talking about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Chownoir (was J)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chownoir (was J)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@63 Burningjoe, I never said his guys were equivalent to Dwight and Jameer.  However his guys were good enough to beat a motivated and healthy Laker team and Boston before they shut it down. 

They were good enough to take a 2-1 lead.  I&#039;m just saying those guys weren&#039;t that bad.  A large part of the blame lies on his feet too. 

I&#039;ve got no problems with him leaving.  But to continue to use your analogy, I would have problems when you left that you complain the company didn&#039;t do anything for you when they bent over backwards for you.  

Agree that loyalty can only go so far.  But also recognize how much the company did for you.  If they truly did screw you over with bad resources then sure complain while you leave.  It&#039;s not like Cle gave him Kwame and Smush as starters.  Mo and Z were all stars were they not?  

I think Cle did as good of a job as they could.  If Bron was more graceful and professional in his exit, I wouldn&#039;t say one word.  Ultimately I think that&#039;s the kind of loyalty I have in mind. If you&#039;re being treated fairly well, then have the decency and loyalty to make it easy for all parties.

If a company does shady stuff or mistreats me, then there is no loyalty from me and I&#039;d blast them while I walked out the door with no notice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@63 Burningjoe, I never said his guys were equivalent to Dwight and Jameer.  However his guys were good enough to beat a motivated and healthy Laker team and Boston before they shut it down. </p>
<p>They were good enough to take a 2-1 lead.  I&#8217;m just saying those guys weren&#8217;t that bad.  A large part of the blame lies on his feet too. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got no problems with him leaving.  But to continue to use your analogy, I would have problems when you left that you complain the company didn&#8217;t do anything for you when they bent over backwards for you.  </p>
<p>Agree that loyalty can only go so far.  But also recognize how much the company did for you.  If they truly did screw you over with bad resources then sure complain while you leave.  It&#8217;s not like Cle gave him Kwame and Smush as starters.  Mo and Z were all stars were they not?  </p>
<p>I think Cle did as good of a job as they could.  If Bron was more graceful and professional in his exit, I wouldn&#8217;t say one word.  Ultimately I think that&#8217;s the kind of loyalty I have in mind. If you&#8217;re being treated fairly well, then have the decency and loyalty to make it easy for all parties.</p>
<p>If a company does shady stuff or mistreats me, then there is no loyalty from me and I&#8217;d blast them while I walked out the door with no notice.</p>
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		<title>By: JeremyLA24</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeremyLA24</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) The Heat can have House. As long as they don&#039;t add a significant big man, they shouldn&#039;t be the clear cut favorite quite yet.

2) Queensbridge, NJ? I&#039;m pretty sure Queens is a burrow of NYC.

3) I hope that we can retain Shannon Brown but if we can&#039;t, I&#039;ll just have to hope for Sasha to be his 07-08 self.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) The Heat can have House. As long as they don&#8217;t add a significant big man, they shouldn&#8217;t be the clear cut favorite quite yet.</p>
<p>2) Queensbridge, NJ? I&#8217;m pretty sure Queens is a burrow of NYC.</p>
<p>3) I hope that we can retain Shannon Brown but if we can&#8217;t, I&#8217;ll just have to hope for Sasha to be his 07-08 self.</p>
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		<title>By: Funky Chicken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funky Chicken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DirtySanchez, you use an anecdote about how Lebron left Cleveland to make your point that it is the FANS that need to understand it is just a game?  That that to the self-titled &quot;King&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DirtySanchez, you use an anecdote about how Lebron left Cleveland to make your point that it is the FANS that need to understand it is just a game?  That that to the self-titled &#8220;King&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: DirtySanchez</title>
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		<dc:creator>DirtySanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont understand all the hoopla with the LeBron/Cleveland scenario. He didnt win a title in Cle. and left the team to go play in Miami. He didnt promise the world he would sign with Cle., then go play for another team. He just left his options open as we all should do in life when making decisions. Whether it turns out to be a good decision or not, nobody will know until after the fact.

There is a winner(Miami) and a loser(Cle.) in all aspects of society. I fault  Clev. FO and fans for adding gas to the flames by being sore losers. On ESPN I saw a dude had to be escorted out of a Cle. Indians baseball game cause he had on a Bron jersey. Just cause he left town, you cant be a fan anymore? Its not the players that need to get a better perspective of the situation,it is the fans in the stands that need to understand that it is just a game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont understand all the hoopla with the LeBron/Cleveland scenario. He didnt win a title in Cle. and left the team to go play in Miami. He didnt promise the world he would sign with Cle., then go play for another team. He just left his options open as we all should do in life when making decisions. Whether it turns out to be a good decision or not, nobody will know until after the fact.</p>
<p>There is a winner(Miami) and a loser(Cle.) in all aspects of society. I fault  Clev. FO and fans for adding gas to the flames by being sore losers. On ESPN I saw a dude had to be escorted out of a Cle. Indians baseball game cause he had on a Bron jersey. Just cause he left town, you cant be a fan anymore? Its not the players that need to get a better perspective of the situation,it is the fans in the stands that need to understand that it is just a game.</p>
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		<title>By: 3ThreeIII</title>
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		<dc:creator>3ThreeIII</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Ron Artest video...

Which is more mind bending to imagine:

1) Ron Artest and Celine Dion in a duet cover of Ebony and Ivory?

or...

2) Ron Artest, math teacher at Rock Lake Middle School in Queensbridge, New Jersey?

I love Ron Artest.  Plays wicked good defense, is afraid of nothing, is a fierce competitor, is full blown bat poop crazy, and is the greatest interview of all time.

What is not to love?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Ron Artest video&#8230;</p>
<p>Which is more mind bending to imagine:</p>
<p>1) Ron Artest and Celine Dion in a duet cover of Ebony and Ivory?</p>
<p>or&#8230;</p>
<p>2) Ron Artest, math teacher at Rock Lake Middle School in Queensbridge, New Jersey?</p>
<p>I love Ron Artest.  Plays wicked good defense, is afraid of nothing, is a fierce competitor, is full blown bat poop crazy, and is the greatest interview of all time.</p>
<p>What is not to love?</p>
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		<title>By: chibi</title>
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		<dc:creator>chibi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m not that crazy about shannon&#039;s skill level.  his athleticism doesn&#039;t compensate for it.  i&#039;d rather keep both, but if i had to choose, i&#039;d prefer sasha.</description>
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		<title>By: burningjoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>burningjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ # 53 Chownoir 

best regular season record doesn&#039;t mean much of nothing. especially in a Conference that the competition isn&#039;t all that tough. beating up on bottom dweleres dose&#039;nt really add up to fighting the big boys regualrly.

But...are you really going to say that Mo Willimas and  Illgasukus are even close to the caliber of players that say Rondo and Perkins are? Or Dwight and Jameer?

Cleveland filled up the roster with 2nd rate players. Even the pick up of Jamison is suspect to me. What has he done to prove himself over the years? Sure he is about 20 and 8 for his carrer...but...that just isnt good enough to really compete. Was Shaq the proof lebron needed that they &quot;were making moves&quot;? Shaq 10 years ago...that would be a sure sign that they were doing the right thing. 38 year old out of shape Shaq...not even close.

About him quitting...I dont know...that makes no difference to the argument of loyalty and staying with the team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ # 53 Chownoir </p>
<p>best regular season record doesn&#8217;t mean much of nothing. especially in a Conference that the competition isn&#8217;t all that tough. beating up on bottom dweleres dose&#8217;nt really add up to fighting the big boys regualrly.</p>
<p>But&#8230;are you really going to say that Mo Willimas and  Illgasukus are even close to the caliber of players that say Rondo and Perkins are? Or Dwight and Jameer?</p>
<p>Cleveland filled up the roster with 2nd rate players. Even the pick up of Jamison is suspect to me. What has he done to prove himself over the years? Sure he is about 20 and 8 for his carrer&#8230;but&#8230;that just isnt good enough to really compete. Was Shaq the proof lebron needed that they &#8220;were making moves&#8221;? Shaq 10 years ago&#8230;that would be a sure sign that they were doing the right thing. 38 year old out of shape Shaq&#8230;not even close.</p>
<p>About him quitting&#8230;I dont know&#8230;that makes no difference to the argument of loyalty and staying with the team.</p>
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		<title>By: flip</title>
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		<dc:creator>flip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very interesting takes. most of my thoughts have already been expressed. all i have to add is if shaq becomes a celtic, the lakers should never retire his jersey. we should do something symbolic . Maybe we could give it to a rookie player every year a rookie makes the team. The following year, the rookie can choose any other number available. 

if shaq doesn&#039;t join the celtics, i think that someday (maybe in 30 years?) the jersey should be up there. the jerseys are up there for how their play, not their personalities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very interesting takes. most of my thoughts have already been expressed. all i have to add is if shaq becomes a celtic, the lakers should never retire his jersey. we should do something symbolic . Maybe we could give it to a rookie player every year a rookie makes the team. The following year, the rookie can choose any other number available. </p>
<p>if shaq doesn&#8217;t join the celtics, i think that someday (maybe in 30 years?) the jersey should be up there. the jerseys are up there for how their play, not their personalities.</p>
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